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Old 04-07-2006, 07:57 PM   #41
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whats every1s thoughts on whether this new version of 'one' with mary j blige, can increase any U2 album sales, bomb, achtung, best of 90's ?

i dont think it'll help much / at all.
There will probably be a small increase for Achtung and Best of 90s since the original version of One is on those releases, but thats it.
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Old 04-08-2006, 12:00 AM   #42
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I'd say the sales would be more like this for Coldplay...

Germany 7-8k (this market has shrunk a lot lately, HTDAAB charted quite well here but still has sold only about 400k)
France 7k
Italy 2k (roughly same size market as Australia)
Australia 2k
Belgium 2k (small market, look how well HTDAAB did and still only 100k)
Netherlands 1k
Spain 1.5k (about the same size market as Australia)

One thing I've learnt is to not always go by the population size (eg. Italy 60million same size market as Australia 20million)




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With those positions i would think something like :

Germany 12k
France 9k (right MJ ?)
Italy 4k
Australia 3k
Belgium 5k
Netherlands 2k
Total = 35k

+UK & US (=20k)
+Spain : # 36 (=3k)

= approx 58k in these 9 (major) markets.

Conclusion : another 15k in ROW is possible but i'm still quite amazed that 73k can now make # 30 at Mediatraffic, at this time of the year (& 60k for # 40).
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Old 04-08-2006, 03:42 AM   #43
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I'd say the sales would be more like this for Coldplay...

Germany 7-8k (this market has shrunk a lot lately, HTDAAB charted quite well here but still has sold only about 400k)
France 7k
Italy 2k (roughly same size market as Australia)
Australia 2k
Belgium 2k (small market, look how well HTDAAB did and still only 100k)
Netherlands 1k
Spain 1.5k (about the same size market as Australia)

One thing I've learnt is to not always go by the population size (eg. Italy 60million same size market as Australia 20million)

Yes, you're definitely right about those figures ChargedVT (i originally posted them too fast & therefore without much thought). So...

23.5k (from those 7 countries) + 20k (UK & US) + 2.5k (CANADA) + 500 (IRELAND) = approx 46.5k in these 11 markets. So actually quite a difference from 61k.

Now, MediaTraffic cover about another 12-14 countries. So, question is could there be another 26.5k from these ? that's about an average of 2k in each......does actually seem a bit high.

& would you believe it !? that HitList site has X&Y at # 42 for the week with global sales of 45,100 :

http://www.geocities.com/inthitlists/albums.htm

Unbelievable !
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Old 04-08-2006, 10:58 PM   #44
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I'd say the sales would be more like this for Coldplay...

Germany 7-8k (this market has shrunk a lot lately, HTDAAB charted quite well here but still has sold only about 400k)
France 7k
Italy 2k (roughly same size market as Australia)
Australia 2k
Belgium 2k (small market, look how well HTDAAB did and still only 100k)
Netherlands 1k
Spain 1.5k (about the same size market as Australia)

One thing I've learnt is to not always go by the population size (eg. Italy 60million same size market as Australia 20million)




Population is sometimes a better indicator of sales rather than the countries gold and platinum levels, although generally the opposite is true. Platinum in Italy used to be 200,000 which is nearly 3 times that of Australia. The platinum level is now 100,000 , but I'd say the market size is still more than double that of Australia.
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Old 04-08-2006, 11:39 PM   #45
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Yes, you're definitely right about those figures ChargedVT (i originally posted them too fast & therefore without much thought). So...

23.5k (from those 7 countries) + 20k (UK & US) + 2.5k (CANADA) + 500 (IRELAND) = approx 46.5k in these 11 markets. So actually quite a difference from 61k.

Now, MediaTraffic cover about another 12-14 countries. So, question is could there be another 26.5k from these ? that's about an average of 2k in each......does actually seem a bit high.

& would you believe it !? that HitList site has X&Y at # 42 for the week with global sales of 45,100 :

http://www.geocities.com/inthitlists/albums.htm

Unbelievable !
You realize what albums sell in the Spring of 2005 vs. the Spring of 2006 is not necessarily going to be the same. Even on individual country charts, you can see difference between various years. Hell just look at the massive difference between 2001 and 2005 in the United States.

Why would mediatraffic drop an excellent system which used soundscan retail sales for some inaccurate system of counting sales? I don't think anything has changed at all, and the fact that the number 40 album is selling 60,000 copies a week vs. 40,000 last year does not prove that something has changed. Remember, they only started presenting the weekly sales for each position in January, and previous to this I always thought the #40 position was usually at the 50,000 level. In any event, the global market can change like that, plus these individual albums currently in the top 40 may simply be more widely popular around the globe than the batch that was on the chart last year.

In the next few weeks, there may be a release of an album where all the sales are from United States/Canada and if it is an album that charts in the 30s on mediatraffic, you can compare the soundscan number as well as any Canadian sale info to the mediatraffic number. As long as its an album that is only charting in North America, it would be an excellant check on the accuracy of the upper part of the mediatraffic chart.

Perhaps one day mediatraffic will show individual country sales or regional sales figures for each album. In general their sales have lined up well with what we know from RIAA, IFPI, and other countries shipment certifications for albums that have been out a year or two at which point shipments and actual sales are in line with each other or are close together.
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Old 04-11-2006, 06:14 AM   #46
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Population is sometimes a better indicator of sales rather than the countries gold and platinum levels, although generally the opposite is true. Platinum in Italy used to be 200,000 which is nearly 3 times that of Australia. The platinum level is now 100,000 , but I'd say the market size is still more than double that of Australia.
Platinum in Italy is now 80,000 actually. It's 70,000 in Australia so i don't think album sales are that much greater in Italy - probably about 0.5 to 0.8 x bigger.

Also, the latest official world music market retail value figures show that Australia, at 7th, was actually higher than Italy, at 8th, in 2005.
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You realize what albums sell in the Spring of 2005 vs. the Spring of 2006 is not necessarily going to be the same. Even on individual country charts, you can see difference between various years. Hell just look at the massive difference between 2001 and 2005 in the United States.
Yes i do, but i'm just not so sure there should be such a HUGE difference : Bomb did 63/64k this time last year at #'s 16/17 now its 120/110k for those exact same positions !

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Why would mediatraffic drop an excellent system which used soundscan retail sales for some inaccurate system of counting sales? I don't think anything has changed at all,
Well, they changed it before.

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...and the fact that the number 40 album is selling 60,000 copies a week vs. 40,000 last year does not prove that something has changed. Remember, they only started presenting the weekly sales for each position in January, and previous to this I always thought the #40 position was usually at the 50,000 level. In any event, the global market can change like that, plus these individual albums currently in the top 40 may simply be more widely popular around the globe than the batch that was on the chart last year.
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It's actually 60,000 now for # 40 vrs 31,000 back in early Autumn/Fall 2005 - that's still, a BIG, almost 100%, difference - & vrs 52,000 last week...& with no big increases in US & UK market that week & a v.small week for overall artist album sales (in UK / US). & i believe they don't have the actual sales for most other countries anyway (mainly use a points system). So i'd just like to know : how, exactly, have MediaTraffics' latest sales figures seemingly gone up so much ? lol.
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Yes i do, but i'm just not so sure there should be such a HUGE difference : Bomb did 63/64k this time last year at #'s 16/17 now its 120/110k for those exact same positions !



Well, they changed it before.



It's actually 60,000 now for # 40 vrs 31,000 back in early Autumn/Fall 2005 - that's still, a BIG, almost 100%, difference - & vrs 52,000 last week...& with no big increases in US & UK market that week & a v.small week for overall artist album sales (in UK / US). & i believe they don't have the actual sales for most other countries anyway (mainly use a points system). So i'd just like to know : how, exactly, have MediaTraffics' latest sales figures seemingly gone up so much ? lol.
A Global chart of the top 40 albums cannot be compared to a an individual countries chart and market swings. An album that is only released in Japan can top the Global chart for weeks. In addition, several dozen albums with broader global appeal than albums charting last year, could easily raise the sales totals.

Mediatraffic has stated they only use precise sales info ever since April 2004. Prior to that they used estimates and precise sales info.

The key check on everything is total sales for various albums and their comparison to the total shipments for that album. If the sales of the album are way out of line with RIAA, IFPI, and other shipment totals, then that would indicate that there is a problem. When I first saw mediatraffic, I was doubtful about the information they provided, but when I checked their sales totals for various albums, I noticed they corresponded very well with the Shipment data.

One of these weeks, there should be a US or North American only release that sales around 60,000 or 70,000 copies. Provided it charts on mediatraffic with that number in the upper reaches of the chart, then I'd say everything is ok with the system.
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Old 04-11-2006, 01:45 PM   #49
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Platinum in Italy is now 80,000 actually. It's 70,000 in Australia so i don't think album sales are that much greater in Italy - probably about 0.5 to 0.8 x bigger.

Also, the latest official world music market retail value figures show that Australia, at 7th, was actually higher than Italy, at 8th, in 2005.
80,000? When I looked at that UKMIX FORUM, the Italian expert was saying that platinum was 100,000. Is this a recent change? Its shocking that Australia would be 7th in the world with only 20 million people. I guess their not into file sharing and CD burning yet.
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It's actually 60,000 now for # 40 vrs 31,000 back in early Autumn/Fall 2005 - that's still, a BIG, almost 100%, difference - & vrs 52,000 last week...& with no big increases in US & UK market that week & a v.small week for overall artist album sales (in UK / US). & i believe they don't have the actual sales for most other countries anyway (mainly use a points system). So i'd just like to know : how, exactly, have MediaTraffics' latest sales figures seemingly gone up so much ? lol.
It's only a different moment of the year. We are in a BIG period for sales, with many strong new albums. In USA, 6 albums are over 120k this week 1 of them is over 700k, in France the #1 sold 142k in 1 day, the #2 album sold 46k and nearly all the top 10 is over 10k, in Japan it's the first week since nearly 1 month that the #1 sold less than 200k. In one week like for the mother's day sales can be up of 20% or 30%, so in months... !
Sales have not change in mediatraffic. The only difference is that they get recently accurate sales for new countries like France & Japan, this change nearly nothing for sales of "global" albums (U2, Coldplay, Madonna etc...) but their chart position is likely to be a bit lower, because of local acts of countries named before which are now charted in mediatraffic while 1 year ago they are not. We will see this summer if sales still as high as at the moment...
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