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Here is an article posted at Yahoo:


Prince, Madonna Tours Top Draws in Difficult Year

Sun Dec 26,11:34 AM ET Entertainment - Reuters


By Dean Goodman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - In a dismal year for the touring industry, with ticket prices soaring and seats going unsold, music fans in North America partied like it was 1989 as Prince and Madonna (news - web sites) topped the concert box office.


Reuters Photo



According to freshly tabulated estimates provided by concert trade publication Pollstar, Prince sold $87.4 million in tickets in 2004, while Madonna earned $79.5 million. Prince also worked a bit harder for his payday, playing 96 shows, compared with 39 for Madonna.


Canadian pop singer Celine Dion (news) actually topped Madonna by about $900,000, but her haul came exclusively from 154 dates performed at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas as part of a four-year engagement at the casino.


Next on Pollstar's list were hard rock warriors Metallica (news - web sites) ($60.5 million), singer-comedienne Bette Midler (news) ($59.4 million), reunited rock band Van Halen ($54.3 million) and country singer Kenny Chesney ($50.8 million).


Among all-time tours, Prince's "Musicology" road show ranks eighth. The Rolling Stones, expected to return to the road in the summer, top the list with sales of $121.2 million from their 1994 tour.


It was a good year for Prince, 46, whose idiosyncratic ways had taken him out of the mainstream for a decade. In February, he performed at the Grammys; in March, he stole the show at his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony and hit the road to play sold-out arenas.


But most musicians found the going tough. "With few exceptions, every act had some places where they didn't do well," Pollstar editor Gary Bongiovanni told Reuters.


Higher ticket prices did not help. Pollstar calculated that average prices rose 3.5 percent to $52.06 in 2004. By contrast, core consumer prices rose 2.2 percent in the year to November, according to the U.S. Labor Dept.


ELTON'S $158 TICKET


Average prices were actually higher at mid-year -- $58.71 -- before rampant discounting by promoters faced with poorly attended venues during the key summer touring season.


Honors for the highest average price went to Elton John (news) (No. 10, $43.3 million), who charged $158.22 for the average ticket, followed by Madonna at $143.59 a pop. An average Prince ticket cost just $61.04.


Overall, Pollstar estimated gross sales rose almost one percent to $1.96 billion in 2004, with the number of tickets sold down by nearly three percent to 37.6 million. Prince accounted for 1.43 million of those tickets, followed by Chesney (1.14 million) and Metallica (1.05 million).


Apportioning the blame for the downturn depends on who you ask. Promoters say the artists demand too much money, forcing them, in turn, to charge higher ticket prices. Artists say promoters keep offering more lucrative deals, which they can hardly reject, especially when CD sales are weak.


Either way, more and more fans decided to stay home, especially if their favorite artists had already passed through recently.


"Some acts have toured too much," said Bongiovanni, citing Rod Stewart (news) (No. 11 with $42.5 million) and Aerosmith (news - web sites) (No. 21, $25.6 million) as examples.


Among the high-profile disasters was Lollapalooza, the annual rock touring festival, which was canceled before the first show. Jazz pianist Norah Jones (news) also found the going tough when she upgraded to amphitheaters from more cozy venues.


Besides the Rolling Stones, who are working on an album but have not announced a tour yet, Irish rockers U2 are set to begin a 10-month world tour next March in Florida.

I'm sure our Metallica loving friend will be happy to hear how well Metallica did last year.

But I posted this article in full mostly to demonstrate the average ticket prices of many artists. I saw Madonna tickets for $300!

In contrast, at least 50% of U2's tickets on their last tour were a mere $45. The average ticket price was well below $100.

I've read reports that state U2's tour is so highly anticipated (even more so now that HTDAAB is a huge hit), that other artists are trying to get their ticket sales going before U2 to at least tap into some of the market.
 
I'm still shocked that U2 only charged $45 last time......had they charged twice as much, the amount of sold tickets would've been nearly the same and they would've pretty much broken every record out there....I believe in this band and that they'll be kind enough not to charge into the 100s.......I'm guessing 75-80 will be the going rate this time around, particularly if some of the dates are in stadiums as people seem to like paying less money if a show is in a larger venue.
 
these figures not include summer sanitarium 2003 tour which include st anger world tour.and metallica fans is not richer than rolling stones or u2))))

most important success in music history>real heavy metal band outsold pop-rock acts)))
 
BigMacPhisto said:
I'm still shocked that U2 only charged $45 last time......had they charged twice as much, the amount of sold tickets would've been nearly the same and they would've pretty much broken every record out there....I believe in this band and that they'll be kind enough not to charge into the 100s.......I'm guessing 75-80 will be the going rate this time around, particularly if some of the dates are in stadiums as people seem to like paying less money if a show is in a larger venue.

#1 The average ticket price to see U2 in the United States on the Elevation tour was 81 dollars! Few tickets were sold at the 45 dollar level. Typically, most shows would only have about 2,000 GA tickets at 45 dollars and then another 2,000 "upper level" "Behind The Stage" tickets at 45 dollars. 80% of the tickets sold on the tour were 85 dollars or 130 dollars.

The Elevation tour was the second highest grossing tour in a Chalander year at the start of 2002 and the 4th highest grossing tour of all time overall at the start of 2002. The 80 date 2001 Elevation tour Grossed over 109.5 million dollars!



#2 Modonna played to only a total of 553,660 people on her tour. The average number of people per show was only around 14,200 for arena's that average 18,000 to 20,000 seats.

#3 Prince had a very impressive run, but it was not on par with U2.

#4 With the exception of Prince, every big name artist this past year who toured, had results that were in many ways very poor compared to their own previous performances in past years. None of the artist who tour this past year showed the level of demand and popularity of U2, who have been the 2nd strongest touring artist in the world since 1987, right behind the Rolling Stones.
 
METFIELD said:
these figures not include summer sanitarium 2003 tour which include st anger world tour.and metallica fans is not richer than rolling stones or u2))))

most important success in music history>real heavy metal band outsold pop-rock acts)))

Yes, they don't include that tour and there is NO REASON to include that tour. Why? It's from 2003. If U2 tour for 2 years, the tour data would be split as well.

And I think Prince can still claim that he beat out Metallica. If Prince toured in 2003 and 2004, I bet he'd beat Metallica both years, keeping the same ticket price. Sorry, but certain pop-rock acts will beat Metallica. I think U2 and Prince are two of them.

Madonna, though, can be argued. She scored so much $ due to her ridiculously high ticket prices.
 
STING2 said:


#1 The average ticket price to see U2 in the United States on the Elevation tour was 81 dollars! Few tickets were sold at the 45 dollar level. Typically, most shows would only have about 2,000 GA tickets at 45 dollars and then another 2,000 "upper level" "Behind The Stage" tickets at 45 dollars. 80% of the tickets sold on the tour were 85 dollars or 130 dollars.

The Elevation tour was the second highest grossing tour in a Chalander year at the start of 2002 and the 4th highest grossing tour of all time overall at the start of 2002. The 80 date 2001 Elevation tour Grossed over 109.5 million dollars!



#2 Modonna played to only a total of 553,660 people on her tour. The average number of people per show was only around 14,200 for arena's that average 18,000 to 20,000 seats.

#3 Prince had a very impressive run, but it was not on par with U2.

#4 With the exception of Prince, every big name artist this past year who toured, had results that were in many ways very poor compared to their own previous performances in past years. None of the artist who tour this past year showed the level of demand and popularity of U2, who have been the 2nd strongest touring artist in the world since 1987, right behind the Rolling Stones.

I'm not sure your first item is completely correct. Yes, there were about 2K in GA tickets, but I think there were a lot more $45 tickets in the upper levels too. I think closer to 30-50% of the tickets were $45. Remember, Golden Circle was only around the GA area, so those probably had the fewest tickets.

I'd have to see some more numbers before I say Prince was better/worse/equal to U2.

As for the rest of your items: :up:
 
doctorwho said:


Yes, they don't include that tour and there is NO REASON to include that tour. Why? It's from 2003. If U2 tour for 2 years, the tour data would be split as well.

And I think Prince can still claim that he beat out Metallica. If Prince toured in 2003 and 2004, I bet he'd beat Metallica both years, keeping the same ticket price. Sorry, but certain pop-rock acts will beat Metallica. I think U2 and Prince are two of them.

Madonna, though, can be argued. She scored so much $ due to her ridiculously high ticket prices.

because metallica played 18 month sold out world tour.over 190 shows.u2 and prince cant tour non stop like metallica.their fan base is so small compare to metallica

u2 grossed alot they toured often and they dont care their fans(ticket prices)

this is u2>played big cities over and over again

if u2 open for metallica in 2005 mayde pop certified 2x platinum ha

in istanbul nobody care u2 everybody wear metallica tshirts in the streets.one and unforgiven is more popular than any michael jackson song.they sold out ali samiyen stadium in 99.and universal music gave them platinum award for reload.300.000 copies

metallica have the most dedicated fan base in rock history.fact
 
Dima said:


you're a troll. fact.

black album outsold any u2 albums worldwide.fact

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/1993/99/99p15b.htm

in the world everyone knows metallica.they are true icon and legend.they changed the face of human history.they outsold pop star with hard and heavy albums

metallica played 3 hour shows on 302 dates world tour.metallica played their fans only.they dont give a sh't what people says
 
Yes you are right...
Metallica is the biggest and best band on the planet..
Even the universe..
The Beatles, Stones, Led zeppelin, U2 are all minor bands who's legacy will be long forgotten and Metallica will still be going strong ( Playing shows for over 8h, a non stop tour of 96 months, with 7 sold out shows in Istanbul, and let's not forget, all of this without a commercial video)
They are truly the best , the most Icon of all bands.
We all humbly apologise here at interference and congartulate you with this victory..
I for instance will throw away all my U2 albums and start buying all those wonderful Metallica albums. I have no idea what and where it went wrong but thanks for putting me on the right track!

Let's rock!!






:wink:
 
patske said:
Yes you are right...
Metallica is the biggest and best band on the planet..
Even the universe..
The Beatles, Stones, Led zeppelin, U2 are all minor bands who's legacy will be long forgotten and Metallica will still be going strong ( Playing shows for over 8h, a non stop tour of 96 months, with 7 sold out shows in Istanbul, and let's not forget, all of this without a commercial video)
They are truly the best , the most Icon of all bands.
We all humbly apologise here at interference and congartulate you with this victory..
I for instance will throw away all my U2 albums and start buying all those wonderful Metallica albums. I have no idea what and where it went wrong but thanks for putting me on the right track!

Let's rock!!






:wink:

u2 is not the same leage in stones-beatles-led zeppelin.u2 like a abba.they sold alot of albums because they released commercial poppy singles.

metallica is more important and influental band than u2.this is fact.i didny say anytihng about beatles or zeppelin))

EVANESCENCE, SLIPKNOT and METALLICA were among
the top 10 most popular bands in 2004, according
to the year-end list of Lycos Internet searches.
The Lycos 2004 year-end list is based on Lycos
search engine user queries from January 1, 2004
through November 30, 2004.

Top 10 Bands of 2004, according to Lycos:

01. EVANESCENCE
02. LINKIN PARK
03. SLIPKNOT
04. TOOL
05. METALLICA
06. GOOD CHARLOTTE
07. THE BEATLES
08. BLINK 182
09. INCUBUS
10. G-UNIT
 
How much was the average price of U2 tickets the last time around? That would be an interesting comparison to Prince and Madonna.
(U2 played more shows than they did, though)
 
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METFIELD said:



metallica have the most dedicated fan base in rock history.


Then they surely must have fansites and forums too. :slant:

No more posting about Metallica in here, period. It's not fair to other members to have their threads dragged off-topic and/or closed by a flood of Metallica talk.
 
neutral said:



Then they surely must have fansites and forums too. :slant:

No more posting about Metallica in here, period. It's not fair to other members to have their threads dragged off-topic and/or closed by a flood of Metallica talk.

ok,dont bashed metallica here again
 
neutral hon I think we've been nice enough up until this point.

Metfield will need to find another place to go, sorry!
 
doctorwho said:


I'm not sure your first item is completely correct. Yes, there were about 2K in GA tickets, but I think there were a lot more $45 tickets in the upper levels too. I think closer to 30-50% of the tickets were $45. Remember, Golden Circle was only around the GA area, so those probably had the fewest tickets.

I'd have to see some more numbers before I say Prince was better/worse/equal to U2.

As for the rest of your items: :up:


The average ticket price on the 2001 Elevation tour in North America was $77.16 . For nearly all of the major markets in the United States it was 81 dollars. Canadian prices were lower bringing the average down.

I had upper level seats at the back of the arena in Pittsburgh, and the price was 85$. Same for Washington DC, list price was 85 dollars. In addition, I checked smaller markets that did not sellout their rear stage seats on the first day and noticed that all lower level behind the stage seats were sold for 85 dollars list price.

For most markets in the USA, the only 45 dollar tickets were for the 2,000 GA seats and perhaps about 2,000 "upper level" "behind the stage seats". All of my friends who went in for 45 dollar tickets and did not get GA got seats that were upper level and behind the stage within minutes of tickets going on sale. They were not too happy with their seats and had expected there to be 45 dollar seating off the floor in front of the stage, but there was none.

Remember, there were three ticket prices, 45$, 85$, and 130$. The majority of tickets sold were the 85$ ones hence the average ticket price of 81 dollars.

Now lets take a look at Prince. Realize that Prince has NEVER played Stadiums in his career although one could argue the demand was there back in 1984. Since then, Prince has actually struggled to sellout arena's in the USA, that is until this latest tour.

Prince played 96 shows in 2004 to 1,430,000 people in North America. That means though that there was only an average of 14,896 people per show. Most arena shows when all seats are used have capacities of 16,000 to 20,000. This means demand on average was not strong enough to sellout the entire arena. Selling seats behind the stage of course can be very difficult and requires heavy demand beyond what would normally be needed to sell 4,000 or so extra seats in front of the stage.

Here are the statistics for U2's, 80 DATE, 2001 Elevation tour of North America:

Attendance: 1,419,070 GROSS: $109,500,000

Average Attendance per show: 17,738

Average Gross per show: $1,368,750

Average Ticket Price: $77.16



Prince Stats for 2004 tour, 96 SHOWS in North America:

Attendance: 1,430,000 GROSS: $87,400,000

Average Attendance per show: 14,896

Average Gross per show: $910,417

Average Ticket Price: $61.12


Metallica Stats for 2004 tour, 83 shows in North America:

Attendance: 1,050,000 GROSS: $60,500,000

Average Attendance per show: 12,651

Average Gross per show: $728,916

Average Ticket Price: $57.62




Notice that both Prince's and Metallica's per show attendance average is well below what is needed for a FULL SELLOUT on average in North American Arena's that have max capacities, including behind the stage seating, in the range of 16,000 to 20,000.

All U2's shows were "technically sellouts" and most were "full sellouts", with the only exception being several shows in the midwest and south where rear stage seating was not used. All major market cities could have easily added multiple more Arena shows given that tickets were sold as fast as possible. Shows in Washington DC and Philadelphia were sold out within an hour of going on sale.

U2 played only 80 shows compared to 96 for Prince. Yet, U2's stats crush Prince's in nearly every area. Notice that the gross per show was 50% higher for U2. Also realize that this will be even higher once I adjust U2's 2001 GROSS for inflation to accurately compare it to the 2004 GROSS totals of Prince.

By nearly every measure, U2 is well ahead of what Prince did in 2004 on the concert circuit in North America, which of course is not a surprise at all.
 
Adjusted for inflation, this is how U2's, 80 date, North American Elevation Tour results would look in 2004.

GROSS: $115,744,801

Average Gross per show: $1,446,810

Average Ticket Price: $81.56
 
STING2 said:
Canadian prices were lower bringing the average down.


Canadian Elevation tour ticket prices were identical.


Originally posted by STING2 Now lets take a look at Prince. Realize that Prince has NEVER played Stadiums in his career although one could argue the demand was there back in 1984.

Wrong again.


Prince's Stadium shows appearances:

Purple Rain tour 1984-85:

Syracuse, NY - Carrier Dome
Miami, FL - Orange Bowl

Parade tour 1986:

Yokohama, Japan - Stadium (2 shows)

Lovesexy tour 1988-89:

Rotterdam, Netherlands - Feijenoord Stadion (3 shows)
Frankfurt, Germany – Waldstadion
Hamburg, Germany – Wilhelm-Koch Stadion (2 shows)
Modena, Italy – Stadion Braglia
Oslo, Norway – Valle Hovin Stadion
Toyko, Japan - Dome (2 shows)
Fukuoka, Japan – Stadium

Nude tour 1990:

Rotterdam, Netherlands – Feijenoord Stadium (2 shows)
Copenhagen, Denmark – Gentofte Stadion
Hanover, Germany – Niedersachsen Stadion
Paris, France – Parc de Prince
Cork, Ireland – Parc U Chaoimh
Basel, Switzerland – St. Jacob Stadion
Rome, Italy – Stade Flamino
Cava Dei Tirreni, Italy (Naples area) – Stadio SL
Madrid, Spain – Estadio Vincente Calderon
Barcelona, Spain – Estadio Olimpic
Marbella, Spain – Estadio Municipal
La Coruna, Spain – Estadio Santa Maria Del Mar
Werchter, Belgium – Festwise
Lausanne, Swtizerland – Stade de la Pontaise
Manchester, England – Maine Road Stadium
Tokyo, Japan – Dome (2 shows)
Sapporo, Japan – Makomanai Open Stadium
Yokohama, Japan – Stadium

Diamonds & Pearls tour 1992:

Tokyo, Japan – Dome (2 shows)
Yokahoma, Japan – Stadium
Sydney, Australia – Cricket Ground
Dublin, Ireland – RDS Stadium
Manchester, England – Maine Road Stadium
Glasgow, Scotland – Parkhead Stadium
Trier, Germany – Moselstadion

Act II tour 1993:

Edinburgh, Scotland – Meadowbank Stadium
London, England – Wembley Stadium
Cadiz, Spain – Estadio de Ramon Carranza
Lisbon, Portugal – Estadio Alvalade
Santiago De Compostela, Spain – Auditorio Monte de Gozo
Gijon, Spain – Hiprodromo de las Mesta
Madrid, Spain – Plaza de Toroz de las Ventas


...plus many multiple arena shows in many world markets per tour, including 16 nights at Wembley Arena in London on the Nude tour and 6 nights at the Summit in Houston on the Purple Rain tour, among many many others...


Originally posted by STING2 Notice that both Prince's and Metallica's per show attendance average is well below what is needed for a FULL SELLOUT on average in North American Arena's that have max capacities, including behind the stage seating, in the range of 16,000 to 20,000.

Prince and Metallica aren't the draw that U2 are, but they're not that far behind.

Originally posted by STING2 All U2's shows were "technically sellouts" and most were "full sellouts", with the only exception being several shows in the midwest and south where rear stage seating was not used.

Oh god, I'm not going over this again.


Originally posted by STING2 All major market cities could have easily added multiple more Arena shows given that tickets were sold as fast as possible. Shows in Washington DC and Philadelphia were sold out within an hour of going on sale.

Really, then why did U2 book 2 shows at the 13,000 capacity Dunkin' Donuts Center in Providence, RI on leg 3 of the Elevation tour instead of the Fleet Center (17,000) in nearby Boston? I'll tell you why, it's obviously because they maxed out at around 60-65,000 people on the first leg there, where they performed 4 shows at the Fleet Center. And I know what you're going to say, "But they sold 68,139 tickets in Boston on the 1st leg of this tour." Which is true, but 5-10% of the audience for each show return. When you come back to a market on the same tour 4 months later and play a return engagement (as U2 did in the Boston area with Providence), one would only draw around 35% of the amount of fans who saw them 4 months previous. If it was 6 months later, then 50% would return, if it was 8 months later, then 65%, etc. And since they sold 26,575 tickets in Providence on the 3rd leg. That means they played to an additional 5,000 people (minus the return engagement figure of 21,000+) on top of the 60-65,000 people who saw them in the Boston area earlier that year.
 
NoControl said:


Canadian Elevation tour ticket prices were identical.




Wrong again.


Prince's Stadium shows appearances:

Purple Rain tour 1984-85:

Syracuse, NY - Carrier Dome
Miami, FL - Orange Bowl

Parade tour 1986:

Yokohama, Japan - Stadium (2 shows)

Lovesexy tour 1988-89:

Rotterdam, Netherlands - Feijenoord Stadion (3 shows)
Frankfurt, Germany – Waldstadion
Hamburg, Germany – Wilhelm-Koch Stadion (2 shows)
Modena, Italy – Stadion Braglia
Oslo, Norway – Valle Hovin Stadion
Toyko, Japan - Dome (2 shows)
Fukuoka, Japan – Stadium

Nude tour 1990:

Rotterdam, Netherlands – Feijenoord Stadium (2 shows)
Copenhagen, Denmark – Gentofte Stadion
Hanover, Germany – Niedersachsen Stadion
Paris, France – Parc de Prince
Cork, Ireland – Parc U Chaoimh
Basel, Switzerland – St. Jacob Stadion
Rome, Italy – Stade Flamino
Cava Dei Tirreni, Italy (Naples area) – Stadio SL
Madrid, Spain – Estadio Vincente Calderon
Barcelona, Spain – Estadio Olimpic
Marbella, Spain – Estadio Municipal
La Coruna, Spain – Estadio Santa Maria Del Mar
Werchter, Belgium – Festwise
Lausanne, Swtizerland – Stade de la Pontaise
Manchester, England – Maine Road Stadium
Tokyo, Japan – Dome (2 shows)
Sapporo, Japan – Makomanai Open Stadium
Yokohama, Japan – Stadium

Diamonds & Pearls tour 1992:

Tokyo, Japan – Dome (2 shows)
Yokahoma, Japan – Stadium
Sydney, Australia – Cricket Ground
Dublin, Ireland – RDS Stadium
Manchester, England – Maine Road Stadium
Glasgow, Scotland – Parkhead Stadium
Trier, Germany – Moselstadion

Act II tour 1993:

Edinburgh, Scotland – Meadowbank Stadium
London, England – Wembley Stadium
Cadiz, Spain – Estadio de Ramon Carranza
Lisbon, Portugal – Estadio Alvalade
Santiago De Compostela, Spain – Auditorio Monte de Gozo
Gijon, Spain – Hiprodromo de las Mesta
Madrid, Spain – Plaza de Toroz de las Ventas


...plus many multiple arena shows in many world markets per tour, including 16 nights at Wembley Arena in London on the Nude tour and 6 nights at the Summit in Houston on the Purple Rain tour, among many many others...




Prince and Metallica aren't the draw that U2 are, but they're not that far behind.



Oh god, I'm not going over this again.




Really, then why did U2 book 2 shows at the 13,000 capacity Dunkin' Donuts Center in Providence, RI on leg 3 of the Elevation tour instead of the Fleet Center (17,000) in nearby Boston? I'll tell you why, it's obviously because they maxed out at around 60-65,000 people on the first leg there, where they performed 4 shows at the Fleet Center. And I know what you're going to say, "But they sold 68,139 tickets in Boston on the 1st leg of this tour." Which is true, but 5-10% of the audience for each show return. When you come back to a market on the same tour 4 months later and play a return engagement (as U2 did in the Boston area with Providence), one would only draw around 35% of the amount of fans who saw them 4 months previous. If it was 6 months later, then 50% would return, if it was 8 months later, then 65%, etc. And since they sold 26,575 tickets in Providence on the 3rd leg. That means they played to an additional 5,000 people (minus the return engagement figure of 21,000+) on top of the 60-65,000 people who saw them in the Boston area earlier that year.

The dates you have for Prince are almost all international. I was primarily comparing North America. But thanks for putting them up.

I understand your idea's but absent other information, they are not "FACT". I understand your estimates for the percentage of return fans, but you have no information that proves that is indeed the case and I estimate the number that would return to each differently. Also, no one here knows how many shows U2 could have done in Boston on the first leg, as each one was an instant sellout essentially.
 
most important success in music history>real heavy metal band outsold pop-rock acts))) [/B]

I wouldn't call metallica heavy metal. I'd call bands like Opeth and Mastadon heavy metal. I'd call metallica growling riff rock with double bass. There's a difference. I mean, they're closer than, like, The Darkness and such....
 
No Control,

I would appreciate it if you would comply with the rules of the forum and stop calling members of the forums names or making disrespectful comments.

Here are a few rules from the faq/rules page that I think one should keep in mind:

"If you register on this forum solely to say negative things about U2 or other members of the forum, you will be immediately banned."

"If you are trolling the forums you may be banned."

"Trolling: Intentionally disrupting a forum by posting obviously inaccurate or inflammatory information and/or hoping to get a rise out of people. The perpetrators are known as "trolls"."


Now most of this refers to things that were said in the U2 tour rumors forum, but regardless of where it is, one is to discuss any topic in a respectful manner.

Remember this is a U2 fan website.

This is a qoute from you a while back in this forum:

"How can you possible justify selling tickets for over $100 and tell me that it's not being greedy is beyond me. And your above statement is why I've lost respect for U2. Music shouldn't just be for the wealthy. And if you think that way, then you're quite sad."

If you don't respect U2 anymore then its strange as to why you would become apart of a U2 fan forum? In addition, if you don't respect the band, its questionable if your in compliance with the above rules. Obviously no member of the forum is to be refered to as being "quite sad" because of their opinion about a music business matter.

In any event, the moderaters will determine if anything needs to be done. I'm just asking that you please stop with the name calling and address other members of the forum in a respectful way.
 
STING2 said:
The dates you have for Prince are almost all international. I was primarily comparing North America. But thanks for putting them up.


Well ok but then you should've said so.

Originally posted by STING2 I understand your idea's but absent other information, they are not "FACT". I understand your estimates for the percentage of return fans, but you have no information that proves that is indeed the case and I estimate the number that would return to each differently. Also, no one here knows how many shows U2 could have done in Boston on the first leg, as each one was an instant sellout essentially.

That's cool if you disagree. And I agree to a certain extent that no one can estimate the exact amount a return engagement will bring back months later. But I can tell you that that's basically how it works.

But if you're still not convinced, here's a few more examples from the Elevation tour, in order to hammer home my point:

1.

May:
Chicago (United Center) - 78,275 (4 shows)

October:
South Bend, IN (Joyce Center) - 11,000 (approximate)
Chicago (United Center) - 39,368 (2 shows)


Total amount of people who saw them in this market (minus the return engagement after 5 months and 5-10% coming back to multiple shows): 90-95,000

If they could've played to more people on the return, they would've booked three (or more) shows at the United Center instead or three shows on the return with one show in a small arena and two at the United Center in October.


2.

June:
Washington, DC (MCI Center) - 39,971 (2 shows)

October:
Baltimore (1st Mariner Arena) - 13,510

Total amount of people who saw them in this market (minus the return engagement after 4 months and 5-10% coming back to multiple shows): 40,000

If they could've played to more people in the DC area, they would've booked one (or more) show(s) at an arena with a larger capacity, like at the MCI Center, where they played in June.


3.

May:
Toronto (Air Canada Centre) - 39,048 (2 shows)

October:
Hamilton (Copps Coliseum) - 17,000 (approximate)

Total amount of people who saw them in this market (minus the return engagement after nearly 5 months and 5-10% coming back to multiple shows): 40,000

If they could've played to more people in the Toronto area, they would booked an arena with a larger capacity like they did with the Air Canada Centre in May.



U2 clearly couldn't have drawn that many more people than what they did originally with each return engagement...
 
STING2 said:
This is a qoute from you a while back in this forum:

"How can you possible justify selling tickets for over $100 and tell me that it's not being greedy is beyond me. And your above statement is why I've lost respect for U2. Music shouldn't just be for the wealthy. And if you think that way, then you're quite sad."

If you don't respect U2 anymore then its strange as to why you would become apart of a U2 fan forum? In addition, if you don't respect the band, its questionable if your in compliance with the above rules. Obviously no member of the forum is to be refered to as being "quite sad" because of their opinion about a music business matter.


Yes, I said that. But I didn't say that I've lost all respect for U2... just the ways things have been going for the past five years primarily. I still absolutely love their "pushing the envelope" material of the 80s. And their innovative music of the 90s. But after Pop didn't sell, they've been extremely worried about their popularity and are playing it so safe, it's pretty dismal. And apart from being totally sellouts (musically and otherwise), it seems like they're trying to appeal to Neil Diamond fans or something. Yuck!


Originally posted by STING2 In any event, the moderaters will determine if anything needs to be done. I'm just asking that you please stop with the name calling and address other members of the forum in a respectful way.

Give me a break. I've never insulted you or called you any names. Please get over it. And if you remember, someone commented on your GW Bush comment and said something to the effect of, "how sad". So, are you going to get all upset now since another person mentioned the word "sad"???
 
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NoControl said:


3.

May:
Toronto (Air Canada Centre) - 39,048 (2 shows)

October:
Hamilton (Copps Coliseum) - 17,000 (approximate)

Total amount of people who saw them in this market (minus the return engagement after nearly 5 months and 5-10% coming back to multiple shows): 40,000

If they could've played to more people in the Toronto area, they would booked an arena with a larger capacity like they did with the Air Canada Centre in May.

There was a scheduling conflict (I believe it was that concert for the Pope or something akin to that?) that made it necessary for them to go to Copps Coliseum, not an inability to sell tickets.

And you are wrong when you say that:

Canadian Elevation tour ticket prices were identical.

They were identical in the numerical sense (ie. both sold GA tickets for $45), but as the exchange rate at the time was 0.63 cents US per $1.00 Canadian, STING correctly stated that Canadian ticket prices brought down the average.
 
anitram said:


There was a scheduling conflict (I believe it was that concert for the Pope or something akin to that?) that made it necessary for them to go to Copps Coliseum, not an inability to sell tickets.


If that was true, they easily could've swung back to the ACC on that same leg.
 
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