HTDMAAB Back On Australian Charts - Page 2

ChargedVT · 03-12-2006, 07:08 AM

What do people think will happen sales-wise next week? The tour has sadly been postponed, however new dates are expected to be announced for later in the year...
Due to the postponement, would people go out and buy the album or DVD instead of the concert?
Either way number is 10 is VERY good and you are right edge3, sales would be around the 4.5-5k mark, i'm positive of that.
If the concerts had gone ahead i reckon this album would have gone TOP 3.

ps... I dont know what the go is with POP being in DVD chart when as far as I know its an album only and always has been.
Also I'm expecting the FAR outdated certifications on the Best Of albums to be updated.

edge3 · 03-12-2006, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChargedVT
What do people think will happen sales-wise next week? The tour has sadly been postponed, however new dates are expected to be announced for later in the year...
Due to the postponement, would people go out and buy the album or DVD instead of the concert?
Either way number is 10 is VERY good and you are right edge3, sales would be around the 4.5-5k mark, i'm positive of that.
If the concerts had gone ahead i reckon this album would have gone TOP 3.

I'm not too sure but the Oz gigs weren't even scheduled for another 9 - 19 days so i wasn't expecting Bomb to hit the top 10 yet. Now it's in the top 10 though & providing the gigs will take place 10 days later i think we could see an extra week or two in the top 10/20.

MJDangerous · 03-12-2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by edge3

Well it apparantly sold around 2,300 last week at # 27...

During the Vertigo Tour in UK it was at # 33 with around 7,400 then it too inreased 16 spots to # 17 with sales of 19,563 - that's an increase of 164%. So why not a similar situation in Australia ? Seems reasonable to me.

Also, it seems that, on a per capita basis, the Australian market is actually quite a bit bigger than French market. I mean 280k = 840k in French terms & Bomb has actually charted better in France ! (but with sales of 'just' 450k).

The best selling album of the year sold about 350k in Australia while in France it sold in a normal year about 1 million copies, the French market is about 3 times bigger than the Australian one. The Bomb has got a better success in Australia, #23 and #26 in YEC of 2004 and 2005, #18 and #49 in France.
When I see Back To Bedlam hitting the #1 9 weeks in Australia, also #2 for 6 weeks and charted in the top 5 at Christmas time and be certified at 5xP, I found hard to believe that the #10 in a poor moment of the year can sold ~5k per week.

The 2.3k figure at #27 seems not right too, in UK last week the album at this place sold 7-7.5k, I really doubt that the Australian market equal to a third of the British market!

edge3 · 03-13-2006, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MJDangerous

The best selling album of the year sold about 350k in Australia while in France it sold in a normal year about 1 million copies, the French market is about 3 times bigger than the Australian one. The Bomb has got a better success in Australia, #23 and #26 in YEC of 2004 and 2005, #18 and #49 in France.
When I see Back To Bedlam hitting the #1 9 weeks in Australia, also #2 for 6 weeks and charted in the top 5 at Christmas time and be certified at 5xP, I found hard to believe that the #10 in a poor moment of the year can sold ~5k per week.

The 2.3k figure at #27 seems not right too, in UK last week the album at this place sold 7-7.5k, I really doubt that the Australian market equal to a third of the British market!

The sales info shows that you are wrong...& you obviously haven't checked to see that recent yearly album sales in Australia are around the 50m mark.

So UK market, with around 160m, IS roughly 3 x bigger whilst French market, with around 80m, is roughly only 1.6 x bigger.

STING2 · 03-13-2006, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MJDangerous

The best selling album of the year sold about 350k in Australia while in France it sold in a normal year about 1 million copies, the French market is about 3 times bigger than the Australian one. The Bomb has got a better success in Australia, #23 and #26 in YEC of 2004 and 2005, #18 and #49 in France.
When I see Back To Bedlam hitting the #1 9 weeks in Australia, also #2 for 6 weeks and charted in the top 5 at Christmas time and be certified at 5xP, I found hard to believe that the #10 in a poor moment of the year can sold ~5k per week.

The 2.3k figure at #27 seems not right too, in UK last week the album at this place sold 7-7.5k, I really doubt that the Australian market equal to a third of the British market!

Actually, looking at the Australian population which is 20 million and the UK population which is 60 million, one can see that on average, the market in Australia for just about anything is 1/3 of the UK market. In fact it might even be higher once you consider that Australians per capita GDP is higher than the United Kingdom's.

bono_man2002 · 03-14-2006, 03:04 AM

never mind...

i actually read the thread

MJDangerous · 03-14-2006, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by edge3

The sales info shows that you are wrong...& you obviously haven't checked to see that recent yearly album sales in Australia are around the 50m mark.

So UK market, with around 160m, IS roughly 3 x bigger whilst French market, with around 80m, is roughly only 1.6 x bigger.

Those numbers are wrong, they don't come from the same source and they are mixing different sales figures.
Global CD sales in Australia in 2003 are 52.9 millions, 117,9 millions in France (x2.23) and 233.9 millions in UK which mean that the market in UK is 4.42x bigger than in Australia.

Sting in a per capita basis, UK are #1 by far. Average number of CDs bought by 1 inhabitant in 1 year (from 2003 in the 10 biggest markets) :

UK = 3.94
Australia = 2.69
USA = 2.54
France = 1.96
Germany = 1.78
Canada = 1.69
Japan = 1.61
Netherlands = 1.53
Spain = 1.31
Italia = 0.63

edge3 · 03-14-2006, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MJDangerous

Those numbers are wrong, they don't come from the same source and they are mixing different sales figures.
Global CD sales in Australia in 2003 are 52.9 millions, 117,9 millions in France (x2.23) and 233.9 millions in UK which mean that the market in UK is 4.42x bigger than in Australia.

Sting in a per capita basis, UK are #1 by far. Average number of CDs bought by 1 inhabitant in 1 year (from 2003 in the 10 biggest markets) :

UK = 3.94
Australia = 2.69
USA = 2.54
France = 1.96
Germany = 1.78
Canada = 1.69
Japan = 1.61
Netherlands = 1.53
Spain = 1.31
Italia = 0.63

No, your mixing shipments with sales. According to ARIA.com overall shipments of albums in Aus in 2003 were about 60m with actual sales at just over 50m.

233m for UK is a shipment figure also - actual sales were defintely around 160m in 2003 (158m in 2005, 166m in 2004).

...& anyway, Back To Bedlam sold around 19k at # 10 last week in UK & 22,199 also at # 10 the week before.

edge3 · 03-14-2006, 10:22 AM

Also, & sorry to go on, but that 80m French figure was from your good self, MJ !!

...& i just found out from BBC.com (though i could just go & look in Musicweek again) that actual overall UK album sales in 2003 were indeed 159.3m (& that's 121m for artist albums + 38m for compilations).

MJDangerous · 03-14-2006, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by edge3

No, your mixing shipments with sales. According to ARIA.com overall shipments of albums in Aus in 2003 were about 60m with actual sales at just over 50m.

233m for UK is a shipment figure also - actual sales were defintely around 160m in 2003 (158m in 2005, 166m in 2004).

...& anyway, Back To Bedlam sold around 19k at # 10 last week in UK & 22,199 also at # 10 the week before.

YOU are mixing shipment with sales, I'm mixing nothing in my case. My numbers concern all the same thing, they are all from the same official document.

And do you see any problem in your figures ?! 50m > 60m Sales/shipment in Australia, 160m > 233m in UK ?! lol

MJDangerous · 03-14-2006, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by edge3
Also, & sorry to go on, but that 80m French figure was from your good self, MJ !!

...& i just found out from BBC.com (though i could just go & look in Musicweek again) that actual overall UK album sales in 2003 were indeed 159.3m (& that's 121m for artist albums + 38m for compilations).

The 82.9m figure concern SALES of ARTIST ALBUMS, so I confirm that you are mixing everything.

edge3 · 03-14-2006, 11:02 AM

Look, SALES are the important thing here not shipments - could Bomb have sold 4.5-5k last week at # 10 in Australia ? You say definitly not but all the SALES info proves you are completly wrong !

ps - i leave you with the following info from ChargedVT (in case you never saw it) :

'In regards to Australian sales figures, I found a site a while ago and was able to get quite a few sales figures for various positions over a lot of weeks... heres some of them...

sales week 1-7 Feb 2004
#1 - 11,640
#2 - 10,458
#3 - 6,853
#4 - 6,136
#9 - 4,949

sales week 21-27 March 2004

#1 - 11,245
#2 - 11,163
#3 - 9,556
#7 - 5,097
#9 - 4,749

sales week 4-10 April 2004

#1 - 12,016
#2 - 11,928
#12 - 4,660
#20 - 3,119
#36 - 1,738
#61 - 1,006
#79 - 760

Going by this data HTDAAB would have sold 4.5-5k in the past week.'

MJDangerous · 03-14-2006, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by edge3
Look, SALES are the important thing here not shipments - could Bomb have sold 4.5-5k last week at # 10 in Australia ? You say definitly not but all the SALES info proves you are completly wrong !

ps - i leave you with the following info from ChargedVT (in case you never saw it) :

'In regards to Australian sales figures, I found a site a while ago and was able to get quite a few sales figures for various positions over a lot of weeks... heres some of them...

sales week 1-7 Feb 2004
#1 - 11,640
#2 - 10,458
#3 - 6,853
#4 - 6,136
#9 - 4,949

sales week 21-27 March 2004

#1 - 11,245
#2 - 11,163
#3 - 9,556
#7 - 5,097
#9 - 4,749

sales week 4-10 April 2004

#1 - 12,016
#2 - 11,928
#12 - 4,660
#20 - 3,119
#36 - 1,738
#61 - 1,006
#79 - 760

Going by this data HTDAAB would have sold 4.5-5k in the past week.'

"All the sales info proves..." I see ANY sales info from an confirmed source at the moment...

edge3 · 03-14-2006, 11:41 AM

Album sales in UK in 2003 were 159.3m (source : BBC & Musicweek)

Album sales in Australia in 2003 were 52.9m (your source & ARIA.com agrees) .

Therefore UK album sales market in 2003 was exactly 3 x bigger than Australian & today those figures are v.similar (source : same as above).

...& yet you still think (?) there's 'no way' Bomb could have sold 4-5k at # 10 in Australia last week, when even (also) Back To Bedlam sold around 19k last week at # 10 in UK & 22.2k the week before - come on, get real MJ !

oh...&, btw, Bomb sold 30k at # 5 in Australia in week 4 (that was from the ARIA too).

Sken · 03-15-2006, 02:25 AM

HTDAAB goes 4 x platinum in Australia

http://www.accessallareas.net.au/dat...AlNFacoFTl.php

'U2 are dominating the national ARIA albums chart this week with three of the band's album releases making it in to the top 25.

The band's 'Best Of 1980-1990' album re-entered the albums chart this week at number 24 whilst 'Best Of 1990-2000' re-charted at number 25.

U2's current album 'How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb' continues to chart strongly jumping from number 27 to number 10 and becomming a bullet performer for the week. The album has also been certified four-times platinum.'

edge3 · 03-17-2006, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MJDangerous

"All the sales info proves..." I see ANY sales info from an confirmed source at the moment...

Check out the following site then :

http://www.undercover.com.au/news/20...127_sales.html

& btw, for the week of May 10th 2004 the # 10 album in Australia, George Michael's 'Patience', sold 8,109 with Michael Bulbe at # 1 with 19,372.

ChargedVT · 03-19-2006, 04:03 AM

As posted in other thread

Australia

HTDAAB #12 (#10) Considering the tour was postponed before this week of sales started I think its good that it hasnt really dropped.

Best of 80-90 #23 (#24) Finally, FINALLY has been re-certified at 8x Platinum (560k+, prob 600k) My estimate of 600k was right after all.

Best of 90-00 #26 (#25) Still not re-certified.

DVD

Chicago #1 (#2) Everyone made up for the delay in the tour by going out and buying the DVD now instead of waiting, I KNEW this would happen!

Slane #4 (#3) Still very good

Best of 90-00 #10 (#8)

Overall a very good result considering tour had been postponed BEFORE this week of sales, especially good for HTDAAB...
But I think most shops are still selling all the albums for less than $15 in spite of the lack of tour.

Sales of HTDAAB this week? I would guess 4-4.5k and approx 2.5k for each of the Best Of's.

edge3 · 03-20-2006, 03:40 AM

Great results again this week then...& 8xPlat now for '80-90' - awesome !

At this rate they'll re-certify '90-00' next week then. Then, the week after, Joshua Tree...maybe

Tallarico · 03-20-2006, 04:21 PM

Question:

do you think that with when VT will back in Australia in the next november, Bomb will return in top 50?

DignityPassesBy · 03-25-2006, 04:33 AM

its more than likley although everyone who didn't have it probably does now

03-12-2006, 07:08 AM	#21
ChargedVT Refugee Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: South Australia Posts: 1,798 Local Time: 10:22 AM	What do people think will happen sales-wise next week? The tour has sadly been postponed, however new dates are expected to be announced for later in the year... Due to the postponement, would people go out and buy the album or DVD instead of the concert? Either way number is 10 is VERY good and you are right edge3, sales would be around the 4.5-5k mark, i'm positive of that. If the concerts had gone ahead i reckon this album would have gone TOP 3. ps... I dont know what the go is with POP being in DVD chart when as far as I know its an album only and always has been. Also I'm expecting the FAR outdated certifications on the Best Of albums to be updated. __________________

03-25-2006, 04:33 AM	#40
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03-14-2006, 03:04 AM	#26
bono_man2002 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In the wrong band Posts: 28,506 Local Time: 11:52 AM	never mind... i actually read the thread

03-14-2006, 10:22 AM	#29
edge3 Refugee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 1,385 Local Time: 12:52 AM	Also, & sorry to go on, but that 80m French figure was from your good self, MJ !! ...& i just found out from BBC.com (though i could just go & look in Musicweek again) that actual overall UK album sales in 2003 were indeed 159.3m (& that's 121m for artist albums + 38m for compilations).

03-14-2006, 11:02 AM	#32
edge3 Refugee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 1,385 Local Time: 12:52 AM	Look, SALES are the important thing here not shipments - could Bomb have sold 4.5-5k last week at # 10 in Australia ? You say definitly not but all the SALES info proves you are completly wrong ! ps - i leave you with the following info from ChargedVT (in case you never saw it) : 'In regards to Australian sales figures, I found a site a while ago and was able to get quite a few sales figures for various positions over a lot of weeks... heres some of them... sales week 1-7 Feb 2004 #1 - 11,640 #2 - 10,458 #3 - 6,853 #4 - 6,136 #9 - 4,949 sales week 21-27 March 2004 #1 - 11,245 #2 - 11,163 #3 - 9,556 #7 - 5,097 #9 - 4,749 sales week 4-10 April 2004 #1 - 12,016 #2 - 11,928 #12 - 4,660 #20 - 3,119 #36 - 1,738 #61 - 1,006 #79 - 760 Going by this data HTDAAB would have sold 4.5-5k in the past week.'

03-14-2006, 11:41 AM	#34
edge3 Refugee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 1,385 Local Time: 12:52 AM	Album sales in UK in 2003 were 159.3m (source : BBC & Musicweek) Album sales in Australia in 2003 were 52.9m (your source & ARIA.com agrees) . Therefore UK album sales market in 2003 was exactly 3 x bigger than Australian & today those figures are v.similar (source : same as above). ...& yet you still think (?) there's 'no way' Bomb could have sold 4-5k at # 10 in Australia last week, when even (also) Back To Bedlam sold around 19k last week at # 10 in UK & 22.2k the week before - come on, get real MJ ! oh...&, btw, Bomb sold 30k at # 5 in Australia in week 4 (that was from the ARIA too).

03-15-2006, 02:25 AM	#35
Sken Refugee Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,042 Local Time: 12:52 AM	HTDAAB goes 4 x platinum in Australia http://www.accessallareas.net.au/dat...AlNFacoFTl.php 'U2 are dominating the national ARIA albums chart this week with three of the band's album releases making it in to the top 25. The band's 'Best Of 1980-1990' album re-entered the albums chart this week at number 24 whilst 'Best Of 1990-2000' re-charted at number 25. U2's current album 'How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb' continues to chart strongly jumping from number 27 to number 10 and becomming a bullet performer for the week. The album has also been certified four-times platinum.'

03-19-2006, 04:03 AM	#37
ChargedVT Refugee Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: South Australia Posts: 1,798 Local Time: 10:22 AM	As posted in other thread Australia HTDAAB #12 (#10) Considering the tour was postponed before this week of sales started I think its good that it hasnt really dropped. Best of 80-90 #23 (#24) Finally, FINALLY has been re-certified at 8x Platinum (560k+, prob 600k) My estimate of 600k was right after all. Best of 90-00 #26 (#25) Still not re-certified. DVD Chicago #1 (#2) Everyone made up for the delay in the tour by going out and buying the DVD now instead of waiting, I KNEW this would happen! Slane #4 (#3) Still very good Best of 90-00 #10 (#8) Overall a very good result considering tour had been postponed BEFORE this week of sales, especially good for HTDAAB... But I think most shops are still selling all the albums for less than $15 in spite of the lack of tour. Sales of HTDAAB this week? I would guess 4-4.5k and approx 2.5k for each of the Best Of's.

03-20-2006, 03:40 AM	#38
edge3 Refugee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 1,385 Local Time: 12:52 AM	Great results again this week then...& 8xPlat now for '80-90' - awesome ! At this rate they'll re-certify '90-00' next week then. Then, the week after, Joshua Tree...maybe

03-20-2006, 04:21 PM	#39
Tallarico War Child Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 703 Local Time: 01:52 AM	Question: do you think that with when VT will back in Australia in the next november, Bomb will return in top 50?