Can 1st week sales of new Coldplay album (X&Y) match those of HTDAAB?

[STING2]

Originally posted by Vox02


STING, U2 VT Tour will become the highest grossing tour in Northamerica in one-year calendar? Or Stones new tour will win, again, this title with his '05 dates?

Vox

U2 Vertigo tour will become the highest grossing tour in North American in one-chalendar year. In terms of highest grossing tour regardless of the year, the Vertigo Tour will likely be the highest, although Springsteens 2002-2003 Rising tour might have a higher GROSS total for North America.

As for the Rolling Stones new tour, it is hard to tell since they will not release any figures. But, if their average GROSS per show remains the same or higher than the last tour, with 60 shows, the North American part of their tour should become the highest grossing tour in North America sometime in 2006. The Rolling Stone 2005 dates will not be enough though.

Worldwide, the Vertigo Tour will become the highest Grossing tour of all time and U2 tour in Europe in the summer of 2006, in addition to their Southern Hemisphere tour in early 2006, there will be no way the Stones will be able to top them, unless they were to extend their tour way into 2007. If U2 don't tour Europe in 2006 and end the Vertigo tour in South America or Australia, they will likely be at or close to hitting the $400 million dollar mark, something that no one has done before. But, stopping the tour at that point means the Rolling Stones may have a shot at regaining the record.

[phanan]

Originally posted by STING2


I don't think those numbers come close to accurately comparing the level of demand between the two bands. U2 only grossed $48 million dollars on the first leg because capacity would not allow for anymore tickets to be sold. U2 have soldout 78 shows this year in North America and the gross will be around $145 million, with much demand not met yet.

Coldplay struggled to sellout several of their shows despite having ticket prices as low as $30 dollars.

I realize that. Obviously U2 could have made a hell of a lot more if they had wanted to.

But since Coldplay's second North American leg has yet to happen, I only compared both artist's first legs.

[STING2]

Originally posted by phanan


I realize that. Obviously U2 could have made a hell of a lot more if they had wanted to.

But since Coldplay's second North American leg has yet to happen, I only compared both artist's first legs.

I know, it just does not present an accurate picture of the difference in the level of demand between the two artist.

[phanan]

True enough.

[STING2]

New Mediatraffic totals for Coldplay X&Y: 7,050,000 copies sold worldwide.

The album now ranks at #30 on their chart so its selling below the 100,000 mark per week.

U2's BOMB's last mediatraffic figure months ago was 8,188,000. It has sold nearly 200,000 copies since then but has not sold enough in any week to make the mediatraffic top 40 and there for those sales are not added in.

[ybird3k]

i really cant see X&Y outselling Bomb. especially if U2 get some grammys (album of the year)

[phanan]

It will depend on how much airplay the next singles off the album get. A Rush Of Blood To The Head was able to consistently sell well considering the third and fourth singles were "The Scientist" and "God Put A Smile Upon Your Face", two very strong songs.

But with X&Y, I have doubts about the same thing happening. "Talk" is the third single, and I know it will get some airplay, but whether it can follow the strong showing of the first two singles is questionable. I just don't see any other tracks from the album that could be strong as singles and therefore I'm unsure X&Y will be able to sustain its sales as long as the last album. I see a slide coming once the holidays are over.

[fitz]

The new figures are in at Mediatraffic. Coldplay's X&Y has now sold 7,766,000 copies and is only about 400,000 behind U2. And with its good chart position (about #20) Coldplay is on the way to outsell HTDAAB

[Zoovation]

Remember that the sales of the bomb are higher than those we see on mediatraffic. The site only counts the sales while the album is in the Top 40.

[ybird3k]

its still going to be about 2months before coldplay catches U2 up though.


Greenday are now #6 on the all time chart with 11,724,000 copies!!

[edge3]

Yep, Am. Idiot & X&Y have just had MASSIVE sales these last 4 weeks : since the last update X&Y has been averaging 190K & Am. Idiot 161K. So their overall sales have now, respectively, gone past the 8 & 12 million marks.

Bomb has been off the Mediatraffic chart for 17 weeks now - when it had reached 8.188M - but i reckon it's been averaging around 25k per week during this time (it must have done 40-50K alone this week). So i think we need to add another 425k for these 17 weeks.

Now, Mediatraffic say they cover 'nearly 95%' so let's say the actual figure is 94%. This means the following, estimated, overall sales figures for these 3 albums are now :

1. Am. Id. - 11.724M (current mediatraffic figure) + 703k (6% extra sales) = 12,427,000

2. Bomb - 8.188M + 491k (6% extra from 8.188M only) + 425K (for 17 weeks off chart) = 9,104,000

3. X&Y - 7.776M + 466k = 8,242,000

[edge3]

The DJ on BBC Radio 2 just announced that X&Y has now 'sold 10M' but don't worry folks : i firmly believe this to be a shipment figure just as Mojo magazine announced, months ago, that Bomb had also 'sold 10M'.

[fedeu2]

X&Y has shipped nearly 2 million copies in excess as compared consumers sales?
I guess that´s very possible. Just remember the infamous Black and blue album ....

I don´t think Coldplay can catch up with U2. The sales gap has been reasonably constant over the last few months and it´s still nearly 1 million behind the bomb so.

Originally posted by edge3
The DJ on BBC Radio 2 just announced that X&Y has now 'sold 10M' but don't worry folks : i firmly believe this to be a shipment figure just as Mojo magazine announced, months ago, that Bomb had also 'sold 10M'.

[STING2]

Top North American GROSSES for tours in 2005

1. The Rolling Stones $162.0 / $133.98

2. U2 $138.9 / $96.92

3. Celine Dion $81.3 / $136.04

4. Paul McCartney $77.3 / $135.46

5. Eagles $76.8 / $104.17

6. Elton John $65.8 / $102.46

7. Kenny Chesney $61.8 / $54.63

8. Dave Matthews Band $57.0 / $47.09

9. Neil Diamond $47.3 / $63.02

10. Jimmy Buffett $41.0 / $76.49

11. Mötley Crüe $39.9 / $46.48

12. Green Day $34.8 / $38.07

13. Toby Keith $31.6 / $46.11

14. Rascal Flatts $28.2 / $34.92

15. Bruce Springsteen $26.3 / $81.00

16. Gwen Stefani $24.2 / $54.46

17. Coldplay $24.1 / $40.80

18. Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers $23.6 / $38.05

19. Barry Manilow $22.7 / $153.93

20. "Anger Management Tour" $21.6 / $64.03




U2 $139 million VS Coldplay at $24 million.

[edge3]

Well, i know this shouldn't be taken too seriously 'cos :

a/ their figures tend to be too high &
b/ we don't know where they get their sales info from (i think it's mainly a points system based on chart positions).

But, anyway, the Hit List world chart have now done their EOY chart (found at http://www.geocities.com/inthitlists/albums.htm). So here's their current take on total sales of Bomb, Am. Idiot & X&Y :


1. Am. Idiot : 2004 total - 16th with 3,432,300 (3xPlat, 13 WOC, PP # 1) + 2005 total - 1st with 11,896,300 (15xPlat, 52 WOC, PP # 1) = 15,328,600

2. X&Y : 2005 total - 2nd with 9,723,500 (9xPlat, 29 WOC, PP # 1)

3. Bomb : 2004 total - 13th with 4,214,600 (4xPlat, 5 WOC, PP # 1) + 2005 total - 16th with 3,908,100 (8xPlat, 27 WOC, PP # 2) = 8,122,700


Now, firstly, this 8,122,700 total MUST be only for the 32 weeks total that Bomb spent on their weekly top 50 chart - so there's still another 26 weeks not accounted for. Secondly, i find it pretty hard to understand how they've only got 8,122,700 when in w.32 they already had it certified for 8M & over the next 7 weeks i recorded their weekly sales & the total rose to 8,414,300 (wtf !?).

So, all in all folks, i would only take this fairly Bxll Shxt chart with a pinch of salt.

[fedeu2]

That info from Hit list is ludicrous, really.

Originally posted by edge3
Well, i know this shouldn't be taken too seriously 'cos :

a/ their figures tend to be too high &
b/ we don't know where they get their sales info from (i think it's mainly a points system based on chart positions)

But, anyway, the Hit List world chart have now done their EOY chart (found at http://www.geocities.com/inthitlists/albums.htm). So here's their current take on total sales of Bomb, Am. Idiot & X&Y :


1. Am. Idiot : 2004 total - 16th with 3,432,300 (3xPlat, 13 WOC, PP # 1) + 2005 total - 1st with 11,896,300 (15xPlat, 52 WOC, PP # 1) = 15,328,600

2. X&Y : 2005 total - 2nd with 9,723,500 (9xPlat, 29 WOC, PP # 1)

3. Bomb : 2004 total - 13th with 4,214,600 (4xPlat, 5 WOC, PP # 1) + 2005 total - 16th with 3,908,100 (8xPlat, 27 WOC, PP # 2) =
8,122,700


Now, firstly, this 8,122,700 total MUST be only for the 32 weeks it spent on their weekly top 50 chart - so there's still another 26 weeks not accounted for. Secondly i find it impossible to understand how they've only got 8.1M for Bomb 'cos in w.32 they already had it certified for 8M & over the next 7 weeks i recorded the weekly sales & the total rose to 8,414,300.

So, all in all folks, i would only take this fairly Bxll Shxt chart with a pinch of salt.

[STING2]

Originally posted by edge3
Well, i know this shouldn't be taken too seriously 'cos :

a/ their figures tend to be too high &
b/ we don't know where they get their sales info from (i think it's mainly a points system based on chart positions).

But, anyway, the Hit List world chart have now done their EOY chart (found at http://www.geocities.com/inthitlists/albums.htm). So here's their current take on total sales of Bomb, Am. Idiot & X&Y :


1. Am. Idiot : 2004 total - 16th with 3,432,300 (3xPlat, 13 WOC, PP # 1) + 2005 total - 1st with 11,896,300 (15xPlat, 52 WOC, PP # 1) = 15,328,600

2. X&Y : 2005 total - 2nd with 9,723,500 (9xPlat, 29 WOC, PP # 1)

3. Bomb : 2004 total - 13th with 4,214,600 (4xPlat, 5 WOC, PP # 1) + 2005 total - 16th with 3,908,100 (8xPlat, 27 WOC, PP # 2) = 8,122,700


Now, firstly, this 8,122,700 total MUST be only for the 32 weeks total that Bomb spent on their weekly top 50 chart - so there's still another 26 weeks not accounted for. Secondly, i find it pretty hard to understand how they've only got 8,122,700 when in w.32 they already had it certified for 8M & over the next 7 weeks i recorded their weekly sales & the total rose to 8,414,300 (wtf !?).

So, all in all folks, i would only take this fairly Bxll Shxt chart with a pinch of salt.

I wouldn't pay any attention to hit list. There is no way Green Day sold almost 50% of their albums outside of North America and Europe.

[edge3]

Originally posted by STING2

There is no way Green Day sold almost 50% of their albums outside of North America and Europe.

I know !! it's plainly ridiculous & so is 9.7M for X&Y... at least the review on Coldplays recent Earls Court show, in this weeks NME, twice confirms the truth : that X&Y has so far sold 8M.

[ybird3k]

on mediatraffic X&Y is over 8Million now, i predict 4 weeks till it overtakes bomb on the all time chart.

[fedeu2]

Yeah, but the all time chart does not reflect total sales for the bomb right? I mean, not even those tracked by mediatraffic.
Sales to consumers for the bomb are over 9 million while X&Y sales should be at 8,5 million right now.

Originally posted by ybird3k
on mediatraffic X&Y is over 8Million now, i predict 4 weeks till it overtakes bomb on the all time chart.