Tiger Woods injured in car crash

[mikal]

Tiger doesn't find himself stuck behind a tree very often.

 

[gvox]

Legally, he doesn't have to speak to police about it. It's good he has an attorney and that he's asserting his right to privacy.

This. And why would he or even should he? What's he looking at, a seatbelt charge? Damage of public or private property? He can tell the judge he looked down at his phone looked up and there was a tree in front of him. The cuts? Hit his mouth on the steering wheel because the airbag didn't deploy. Thanks for stoppin by, officers, appreciate the concern.

 

[phanan]

Legally, he doesn't have to speak to police about it. It's good he has an attorney and that he's asserting his right to privacy.

It doesn't help the public perception of the whole thing, though. Stonewalling the police, whether it is legal or not, does not put one in a good light and makes it look like he is hiding something, whether it is true or not.

 

[gvox]

Stonewalling them on what, though? Unless he or someone called 911 or filed a complaint about suspected domestic assault, it's none of their business - or ours - as to why he was leaving his house at 2:25 a.m. So he had an argument with his wife, and stepped away before it went any further, big deal. Would it be any different if he was stepping out to go get milk? The accident is just that, an accident.

 

[phanan]

You missed my point.

I agree it is none of our business, and I personally don't care.

But the public perception is far different. By not speaking to the police, even though it is his right, it makes it appear on the surface that he is hiding something that could be damaging to his public persona.

 

[mikal]

when his wife smashed the back windshield with the golf club, i sure hope she kept her elbow straight, or she's really going to hear it from Tiger.

 

[ntalwar]

It doesn't help the public perception of the whole thing, though. Stonewalling the police, whether it is legal or not, does not put one in a good light and makes it look like he is hiding something, whether it is true or not.

Tiger has probably the best PR people in the business, and they have probably determined that his statement is the best course of action. His attorney did provide the basic documents for the investigation. He probably agreed to initially talk to police before consulting his agent/PR people /attorney.

 

[phillyfan26]

The cuts? Hit his mouth on the steering wheel because the airbag didn't deploy. Thanks for stoppin by, officers, appreciate the concern.

Which sounded like the most plausible explanation until his wife ran outside swinging a golf club.

Like Phanan said, he kind of has to deal with this with the police, otherwise people will believe the rumors before anything else.

 

[gvox]

I'm gonna go way out on a limb here and just guess that if she had in fact hit him in the face with a golf club, he'd be pretty smashed up and not getting out of hospital 12 hours later.

People keep saying his injuries aren't consistent with a low speed crash. Um, that's a freakin tree, it doesn't move. Look at the pictures of the SUV. It would definitely cause cuts and bruises to the face if he kissed the steering wheel. Hit a tree at even 15 mph without a seatbelt on and you're getting hurt. Personal experience.

This is noone's business. He left during a heated argument and had an accident. Happens all the time. What is a bit weird is the rear window being smashed. Unless the door locks failed which seems unlikely given that the headlights are still on in some of the pictures, why didn't she just open the door and yank him out? I guess that's the biggest "reason to investigate". Even still, what's the worst it could be? She took a swipe at the back window as he was driving away? Cmon.

This is such a non-event. What's making it an event is the National Enquirer article. The only perception I'm getting is a man sticking up for his wife who may have gotten a little heated, there's nothing damaging to his persona about that, imo.

 

[phillyfan26]

I never said she hit him in the face with a golf club. I'm saying if she's chasing a car with a club to smash in the window, it's not unreasonable to think that she was in the state of mind to have roughed up his face. You know, as a part of the reason why he was even leaving in the car in the first place. And it's not unreasonable to think that might be the kind of thing that might distract a man making a living out of hand-eye coordination to possibly, I don't know, drive his car into a tree next to his own driveway.

 

[deep]

Cops Pursue Warrant in Woods Case

Posted Nov 30th 2009 12:45AM by TMZ Staff

Sources tell TMZ the Florida Highway Patrol is now focusing on obtaining a search warrant -- allowing them to seize medical records from the hospital that treated Tiger Woods -- in an attempt to determine if the wounds Woods sustained are consistent with a car accident or domestic violence.

We're told authorities believe they can show probable cause a crime was committed, a necessary step in obtaining a warrant.

One big piece of evidence showing probable cause ... sources tell us Tiger's wife, Elin Nordegren told FHP troopers she went looking for Tiger in a golf cart, came upon the accident and then used a golf club to break the window to gain entry. That's a very different story from what she first told Windemere cops shortly after the accident -- she never mentioned a golf cart. Nordegren told Windemere police she had walked out of her house, saw the crash, went back inside to get a golf club and returned to the vehicle.

Read more: Cops Pursue Warrant in Woods Case | TMZ.com

 

[gvox]

Hey, I fully believe she was acting crazy. I realize you didn't mean that she hit him with the club, I was just kiddin there.

But, I think he's not talking because he cares about her and won't do anything / provide any information that would add to any case they are already building against her. He doesn't want social services taking a look at whether or not she's a fit mother, he doesn't want her facing charges that she hit him. He likely knows her better than anyone, thinks she just had a blow up and wants to try and salvage his marriage with as little outside interference as possible. I do realize that the police can pursue on the probable cause even if he doesn't file a complaint, but that will only go so far as getting her charged. They'll still need him in court, and if he's smart he won't play along.

And I don't really see anything wrong with that, personally.

 

[mikal]

Doctors that examined Tiger Woods have gone on record, saying that his wife "sliced".

 

[AnnRKeyintheUSA]

I agree with Gvox. Why is this even a police matter? Because he's famous? If it were you or me the cops probably wouldn't even be called and it certainly wouldn't be a news story. So whatever caused the wreck (fight with wife, etc.) it was contained to his own property and no other people or vehicles were involved so what is there to answer to the police for? If the fire hydrant is damaged he can surely afford to fix it. This is, really, no one else's business but his and his wife's.

 

[gvox]

Well a bit of perspective..someone called 911, so the police show up. If I'm not mistaken also, the hydrant was on public property and the tree on someone else's. So the accident in and of itself is a police matter, and he'll likely face a wreckless driving charge, which will get withheld because he's always driven safely before (ie always yelled "fore" ). Maybe a failure to wear seat belt also. Maybe $200-400 in fines? A defensive driving seminar?

The real problem is the police are behaving so irresponsibly in this. 911 tapes do not get released for minor traffic incidents and they acknowledged this, but said that they released it due to media pressure for information. In other words, the media concocted a story about it all and now the police are being pressured to investigate that angle.

Because really, if you or I were laying on the pavement with our wife over us rendering first aid after crashing into a tree, the last thing any sane cop would think is that she had just beaten you up, even if she was a bit inconsistent in the exact retelling of what happened. He'd think you got up close and personal with the steering wheel/dash. Mind you, we'd probably have to blow into a tube, also

 

[Chizip]

he wasn't wearing shoes while driving and that is not only illegal but a threat to the public safety.

 

[Jive Turkey]

he wasn't wearing shoes while driving and that is not only illegal but a threat to the public safety.

is it really???

I drive standard and I find is so much easier with shoes off. Theres so much more feeling when the clutch starts to engage. Why is it illegal?


edit: not that i do it often, but if I'm wearing sandals, I figure its a lot safer to be barefoot

 

[mikal]

is it really???

I drive standard and I find is so much easier with shoes off. Theres so much more feeling when the clutch starts to engage. Why is it illegal?


edit: not that i do it often, but if I'm wearing sandals, I figure its a lot safer to be barefoot

yeah, same here. if i ever got a ticket for that, i'd whack the police officers in the head with my flip flop.

 

[corianderstem]

I've driven barefoot before for short distances, but I prefer not to because it just feels super weird, and like I need to be several inches closer.

I'm short enough as it is, and have small feet - I need the extra surface area of my shoe to push the gas pedal!

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

If, given the same facts as known to them, the police would investigate any other citizen for the same possibilities then Tiger Woods should be held to the same standard. If they would investigate possible domestic assault for the average citizen then they'd have to for him as well. It's the conflicting stories she allegedly told the EMT's and the highway patrol or whoever else was involved-if that's the case then conflicting stories create doubts and suspicions among law enforcement. If they don't do it then they will be accused of favoritism and I'm sure they know that. As much as some people might want it to be domestic assault, and possible domestic assault, isn't a private matter.

With all the alleged information out there who knows what the real story is. That supposed friend of his who claimed that Tiger told him his wife scratched his face in an argument over the alleged affair and that he had to go to Zales to get a Kobe special-well to me that's not believable because I can't imagine Tiger Woods buys his wife jewelry at Zales. Not to mention the fact that why would this alleged friend make this public? Unless he knew that Tiger told several people the same thing, it would be obvious who told TMZ. Maybe they paid him money and he couldn't resist.

It's rather obvious that Tiger Woods has a very tightly controlled public image and a vested interest in maintaining that. The woman who allegedly had an affair with him says it's not true. So who knows. To me it sure appears that he and his wife had some sort of argument and he left in a hurry . Unless you're sleepwalking and sleepdriving you're going to wear your shoes, even at that time of night and why are you driving away at that time of night?. Whatever happened during that or afterwards to cause that accident and his injuries, only they know obviously.

 

[corianderstem]

I think that was my favorite part of the story. Tiger Woods shops at Zales!

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

Now THAT'S what she should really be pissed about

I smell a new endorsement deal..

 

[ntalwar]

So far, his sponsors have stood behind him, which means his strategy is working from a financial perspective. This story will die down in a few weeks anyway, and Tiger doesn't have any public appearances planned for several weeks.

 

[phillyfan26]

Hey, I fully believe she was acting crazy. I realize you didn't mean that she hit him with the club, I was just kiddin there.

But, I think he's not talking because he cares about her and won't do anything / provide any information that would add to any case they are already building against her. He doesn't want social services taking a look at whether or not she's a fit mother, he doesn't want her facing charges that she hit him. He likely knows her better than anyone, thinks she just had a blow up and wants to try and salvage his marriage with as little outside interference as possible. I do realize that the police can pursue on the probable cause even if he doesn't file a complaint, but that will only go so far as getting her charged. They'll still need him in court, and if he's smart he won't play along.

And I don't really see anything wrong with that, personally.

I agree with Gvox. Why is this even a police matter? Because he's famous? If it were you or me the cops probably wouldn't even be called and it certainly wouldn't be a news story. So whatever caused the wreck (fight with wife, etc.) it was contained to his own property and no other people or vehicles were involved so what is there to answer to the police for? If the fire hydrant is damaged he can surely afford to fix it. This is, really, no one else's business but his and his wife's.

If he's out on the road and she busts his window with a club, causing him to drive off the road and run over things, it's a threat to public safety, isn't it? She's caused him to lose control of the car.

 

[gvox]

I think "a threat to public safety" is way overdoing it now. Private drive. Possibly just onto the community road...gated community, 2:30 am Orlando? Pretty low chance of hitting someone.

The bottom line is, he owes no-one any sort of explanation whatsoever about why he was leaving his house at 2:30 am. It's none of anyone's concern whether he and his wife just argued, whether they just had wild sex, whether she forgot to buy milk for the cereal, whether or not she needed tampons, whether he forgot to get bait for his morning fishing expedition, whether he wanted to go rent some porn, whatever! none of it! Is it somehow less suspicious if you leave your house at 11? 12?

He owes an explanation for why he hit something, period. Explanation: I don't know what happened, I guess I over-steered. Or looked down at my phone. Or was zipping my fly. Or whatever.

Anyways, he's doing what any real man would: taking his bitch-slap (doubtful if there even was one) and not calling it "domestic abuse". That kindof makes a mockery of real victims of domestic violence. Worst case scenario she freaked because he was driving away from her hissy fit and took the club to the back window as he left. BIG DEAL. Save the charges for the asshole who beats his wife senseless in a fit of drunken rage, THAT's domestic assault.

 

[phillyfan26]

It is overdoing, I'm simply saying from a legal standpoint it's probably why the police are interested.

 

[gvox]

Ah ok, I get you. Well it's a rather silly waste of taxpayer resources anyways. They can get all the warrants they want, lay all the charges they want, but if he refuses to talk and there are no eyewitnesses that she struck him, it's dead before it even gets to trial.

 

[bono_212]

I wish cops would investigate a domestic violence threat for an average person this thoroughly.

 

[AnnRKeyintheUSA]

I think "a threat to public safety" is way overdoing it now. Private drive. Possibly just onto the community road...gated community, 2:30 am Orlando? Pretty low chance of hitting someone.

Really, the 'safety' thing is ridiculous. There was no danger to anyone else, and even if there had been, NOTHING HAPPENED TO ANYONE so there's no case! When I came thru the grocery store parking lot the other day this lady yells out, 'you could have run over my kid!' well guess what lady, I didn't hit your kid, so you got nothing. Once my mom backed out of the driveway and hit my dad's car. No one said anything and Dad repaired it himself. During that nor'easter storm some asshole sped around me on the interstate, lost control and spun a 360. That may have been a 'threat' but nobody got hurt so what crime is there? What if they had been famous, would it be a crime? If we're going to start arresting people on possible hypothetic threats to 'safety' then we're all in trouble, because that is too vague and can be misconstrued selectively. No one else was hurt, no case.

The bottom line is, he owes no-one any sort of explanation whatsoever about why he was leaving his house at 2:30 am. It's none of anyone's concern whether he and his wife just argued, whether they just had wild sex, whether she forgot to buy milk for the cereal, whether or not she needed tampons, whether he forgot to get bait for his morning fishing expedition, whether he wanted to go rent some porn, whatever! none of it! Is it somehow less suspicious if you leave your house at 11? 12?

True. It's going to be a terrible world when people start getting harassed about every move they make just because it seems weird to somebody else.

He owes an explanation for why he hit something, period. Explanation: I don't know what happened, I guess I over-steered. Or looked down at my phone. Or was zipping my fly. Or whatever.

I don't think he does, as long as he pays for the damage which you know he will.

Anyways, he's doing what any real man would: taking his bitch-slap (doubtful if there even was one) and not calling it "domestic abuse". That kindof makes a mockery of real victims of domestic violence. Worst case scenario she freaked because he was driving away from her hissy fit and took the club to the back window as he left. BIG DEAL. Save the charges for the asshole who beats his wife senseless in a fit of drunken rage, THAT's domestic assault.

Many people rich or poor do not want fights (both parties, whether or not they're 'domestic abuse') reported because they're embarrassed.

Hey, remember when Britney trashed the guys' car with the umbrella? She had to pay for it but no cops harassed her for an 'investigation' or 'explaination' did they? She's a drunken fool, she pays for the car, end of story, right?

 

[Sicy]

My local news station just had a bit about Tiger. He did not attend his charity golf tournament and continues to refuse to tell anyone what happened. News casters made a good point. The longer he waits to say anything the more speculation that will evolve. Yes, his personal business is his own business, but when you're a public figure and an 'icon' like that the public believes it has a right to some sort of explanation.