Penn State Child Molestation Scandal...continuing discussion - Page 22

Headache in a Suitcase · 06-08-2012, 06:59 PM

You are the first person I have spoken to who thinks that this is a good thing for the prosecution.

PhilsFan · 06-08-2012, 07:41 PM

Why would Sandusky want a bunch of Penn State people involved in this? I cannot understand this.

Headache in a Suitcase · 06-09-2012, 07:29 AM

Because the general thought from those outside of Happy Valley is that the culture and insulation of the Penn State community as a whole is partially to blame for this scope of this tragedy.

gvox · 06-09-2012, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Because the general thought from those outside of Happy Valley is that the culture and insulation of the Penn State community as a whole is partially to blame for this scope of this tragedy.

Yeah that was my thought too, but I doubted I could say that without appearing insulting...my read is that it doesn't necessarily have to be a good thing for Sandusky's defense in order for it to be a horrible thing for the prosecution...this is (potentially) the same set of people that rioted in blindingly illogical support of Joe Paterno, so...

PhilsFan · 06-09-2012, 12:24 PM

No it's not. That was 1500 students. State College has 80,000 people in it.

gvox · 06-09-2012, 12:48 PM

Actually, yes, it POTENTIALLY is.

Can you absolutely say that none of the jurors picked have any past affiliation with either Sandusky, Joe Paterno or anyone else involved, and do not privately hold sympathetic views towards any of the players in this mess? Or, because of their affiliation, see this entire thing as a black mark on their beloved institution that they wish would just go away? No, you can't.

Neither can I say with any certainty that they none of them have been themselves sexually abused as children by a sports coach (much less one connected to Penn State somehow), which factoid, if disclosed, would likely cause the defense to request that person to be excused.

Besides, wasn't it alumni of Penn State that initiated a defense fund for Sandusky?

:nice:

But from a more objective legal standpoint, ie in the interest of a fair trial both ways: there are so many differing opinions amongst the current and former students of Penn State, and likely few, if any of them, could be considered unaffected by a personal bias surrounding Penn State, it's administrators, or coaches past. Therefore the trial should be moved to a more neutral locale. It's not good for either the prosecution OR the defense, really.

PhilsFan · 06-09-2012, 01:17 PM

I don't think there's anywhere in the country where you could get a fair trial. It's been too high profile. Should it be out of county? Sure it should. But I think he'll be guilty no matter where it happens unless, again, the prosecution blows it.

speedracer · 06-13-2012, 05:43 PM

Nice column by LaVar Arrington in yesterday's WaPo:

link

PhilsFan · 06-20-2012, 05:26 PM

Sounds like he's not going to be going to jail for very long. The overall case is too reliant on eyewitnesses, as is the case with most trials like this. With the credibility of some eroded, this could end with him doing very little time.

Which still has jackshit to do with how connected the jury is to Penn State.

PhilsFan · 06-22-2012, 08:38 PM

Verdict is in.

speedracer · 06-22-2012, 09:14 PM

Guilty on 45/48 counts, no bail while he awaits future sentencing.

trojanchick99 · 06-22-2012, 09:15 PM

Guilty on 45 of 48 counts for a maximum of 443 years in prison. I hope that evil man suffers.

Pearl · 06-22-2012, 09:16 PM

I have faith in the justice system again.

speedracer · 06-22-2012, 09:20 PM

Apparently the most serious charge in the incident to which Mike McQueary testified was rejected. What a toolbox.

PhilsFan · 06-22-2012, 09:27 PM

i wish we could move on, but there is a long road ahead. Freeh Report is next. Then the perjury trials.

Danny Boy · 06-22-2012, 09:35 PM

So the incident that McQueary witnessed? Were they never able to identify the victim or did he just not want to testify?

speedracer · 06-22-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Boy

So the incident that McQueary witnessed? Were they never able to identify the victim or did he just not want to testify?

There were multiple charges regarding that victim, some of which were ruled guilty. At least one guilty verdict was reached with each victim. I think McQueary had enough wobbles in his testimony regarding what he saw and what he said when that some of the charges were cleared though. I think Victim 2 was never identified.

Hewson · 06-22-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by speedracer

There were multiple charges regarding that victim, some of which were ruled guilty. At least one guilty verdict was reached with each victim. I think McQueary had enough wobbles in his testimony regarding what he saw and what he said when that some of the charges were cleared though. I'm not sure if the victim himself testified or not.

In the end the only difference is that Sandusky will be out of prison when he's 510 yrs old instead of 545 yrs old.

(who am I kidding, he probably doesn't survive 2012, one carton of smokes will be all it takes)

speedracer · 06-22-2012, 09:48 PM

Joe Amendola just spoke to the mob. He was hilarious.

deep · 06-22-2012, 09:59 PM

can they put his wife in jail, too.

06-08-2012, 06:59 PM	#421
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,581 Local Time: 07:37 PM	You are the first person I have spoken to who thinks that this is a good thing for the prosecution. __________________

06-08-2012, 07:41 PM	#422
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Why would Sandusky want a bunch of Penn State people involved in this? I cannot understand this. __________________

06-09-2012, 12:48 PM	#426
gvox Ghost of Love Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In The Ballroom of The Crystal Lights Posts: 19,901 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Actually, yes, it POTENTIALLY is. Can you absolutely say that none of the jurors picked have any past affiliation with either Sandusky, Joe Paterno or anyone else involved, and do not privately hold sympathetic views towards any of the players in this mess? Or, because of their affiliation, see this entire thing as a black mark on their beloved institution that they wish would just go away? No, you can't. Neither can I say with any certainty that they none of them have been themselves sexually abused as children by a sports coach (much less one connected to Penn State somehow), which factoid, if disclosed, would likely cause the defense to request that person to be excused. Besides, wasn't it alumni of Penn State that initiated a defense fund for Sandusky? :nice: But from a more objective legal standpoint, ie in the interest of a fair trial both ways: there are so many differing opinions amongst the current and former students of Penn State, and likely few, if any of them, could be considered unaffected by a personal bias surrounding Penn State, it's administrators, or coaches past. Therefore the trial should be moved to a more neutral locale. It's not good for either the prosecution OR the defense, really. __________________ ACROBAT - U2 Tribute on Facebook

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06-09-2012, 07:29 AM	#423
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,581 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Because the general thought from those outside of Happy Valley is that the culture and insulation of the Penn State community as a whole is partially to blame for this scope of this tragedy.

06-09-2012, 12:24 PM	#425
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 07:37 PM	No it's not. That was 1500 students. State College has 80,000 people in it.

06-09-2012, 01:17 PM	#427
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 07:37 PM	I don't think there's anywhere in the country where you could get a fair trial. It's been too high profile. Should it be out of county? Sure it should. But I think he'll be guilty no matter where it happens unless, again, the prosecution blows it.

06-13-2012, 05:43 PM	#428
speedracer Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,604 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Nice column by LaVar Arrington in yesterday's WaPo: link

06-20-2012, 05:26 PM	#429
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Sounds like he's not going to be going to jail for very long. The overall case is too reliant on eyewitnesses, as is the case with most trials like this. With the credibility of some eroded, this could end with him doing very little time. Which still has jackshit to do with how connected the jury is to Penn State.

06-22-2012, 08:38 PM	#430
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Verdict is in.

06-22-2012, 09:14 PM	#431
speedracer Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,604 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Guilty on 45/48 counts, no bail while he awaits future sentencing.

06-22-2012, 09:15 PM	#432
trojanchick99 Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Feliz, CA (between Hollywood and Downtown LA) Posts: 8,352 Local Time: 04:37 PM	Guilty on 45 of 48 counts for a maximum of 443 years in prison. I hope that evil man suffers.

06-22-2012, 09:16 PM	#433
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 07:37 PM	I have faith in the justice system again.

06-22-2012, 09:20 PM	#434
speedracer Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,604 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Apparently the most serious charge in the incident to which Mike McQueary testified was rejected. What a toolbox.

06-22-2012, 09:27 PM	#435
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 07:37 PM	i wish we could move on, but there is a long road ahead. Freeh Report is next. Then the perjury trials.

06-22-2012, 09:35 PM	#436
Danny Boy Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Harvard Supermodel Activist of the Decade Runner-Up Posts: 9,562 Local Time: 03:37 PM	So the incident that McQueary witnessed? Were they never able to identify the victim or did he just not want to testify?

06-22-2012, 09:48 PM	#439
speedracer Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,604 Local Time: 07:37 PM	Joe Amendola just spoke to the mob. He was hilarious.