NFL Thread IV

[LuckyNumber7]

I know. Though honestly I think so much remains to be said about Brady. Not sure he still has it. Need more samples.

[MrPryck2U]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I know. Though honestly I think so much remains to be said about Brady. Not sure he still has it. Need more samples.

Exactly! It's too early in the season to tell. Both offenses were sloppy during the TB/GB game. But, you can't get a delay of game penalty on a 2 point conversion attempt to tie the game. There probably should have been at least 5 DOG penalties called. The refs were pretty lenient. They had no choice but to call that one.

[phanan]

Only three games in, on a team decimated with injuries, and people seem to forget the monster season Brady had last year.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Hewson

Not taking anything away from them. Just saying they'd be viewed as much more of a title contender with Brady under center than Tua (and Tua has played well).

Nah.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by phanan

Only three games in, on a team decimated with injuries, and people seem to forget the monster season Brady had last year.

I mean, Peyton had monster seasons late in his career. But it was clear as day that he still wasn't the same QB.

It's easier to put up monster stats today than it ever was. Despite the gaudy compiling stats - throwing the ball 700+ times in a season will surely help that - it was his 8th best season as a QB by QB rating. If you use QBR it was his 12th best season. He has the most yards per game of his career, but the 15th best yards per completion.

His clutch stats were still off the charts.

This isn't to minimize the year he had last year, but there were clear signs that physically he wasn't the same guy ( yards per completion). Add another year and it's not crazy to think the guy may be toast. It's also Tom Brady so we're inclined to think that he'll snap back, but he's also 45 damn years old.

At some point he will drop off, and old guys do tend to drop off suddenly.

It's also possible that he's dealing with not having a training camp and not having his weapons and he'll get better as the season goes on. I don't deny that. But, yea - at some point old guys get old.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Nah.

OK, so TB is currently the 3rd, 4th or 5th choice to win the Superb Owl on most sites (Bills and Chiefs are 1, 2 and then Eagles Pack and Bucs are a mix of 3-5 depending on the site). Dolphins slot in 8th most places (behind Rams and Ravens). You don't think based on that info that the Dolphins wouldn't be higher on that list if Brady were their QB? Come on, you're a gambler, you know if Brady was throwing to Hill and Waddle that Miami team would be higher on the list than Tampa with Tua or Blaine Gabbert as well as Philly and Baltimore and the Rams. They'd be no worse than 3rd or 4th.

[mikal]

I wonder if Davante Adams will request a trade to Green Bay and then, where will they be on that list.

[LemonMelon]

Successful Packer receivers going elsewhere always ends up working out badly no matter how talented they are. The Raiders just aren't loaded enough to keep up in that division.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Successful Packer receivers going elsewhere always ends up working out badly no matter how talented they are. The Raiders just aren't loaded enough to keep up in that division.

Yep and for some reason, they either end up on the Raiders or Vikings.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Hewson

OK, so TB is currently the 3rd, 4th or 5th choice to win the Superb Owl on most sites (Bills and Chiefs are 1, 2 and then Eagles Pack and Bucs are a mix of 3-5 depending on the site). Dolphins slot in 8th most places (behind Rams and Ravens). You don't think based on that info that the Dolphins wouldn't be higher on that list if Brady were their QB? Come on, you're a gambler, you know if Brady was throwing to Hill and Waddle that Miami team would be higher on the list than Tampa with Tua or Blaine Gabbert as well as Philly and Baltimore and the Rams. They'd be no worse than 3rd or 4th.

This has very little to do with Tua. The question is whether or not Brady has finally run out of gas. TBD.

[PennyLanePHINS]

Coming off an intense smashmouth game against the Bills and on a short week on the road, with Tua not 100% and maybe not playing, I might actually be more impressed if they beat the Bengals than the Bills.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

This has very little to do with Tua. The question is whether or not Brady has finally run out of gas. TBD.

Understood. But my point is about perception. TB is essentially the co-favorite to win the NFC with GB currently (after what we saw Sunday) in betting circles. Tom Brady is the primary reason for that. Will he perform at a high level as the season progresses and in the playoffs? TBD obviously. But my point is if he is the QB of your Dolphins, they are at worst top 3 betting favorite to win the whole shebang. Doesn't mean it would happen, but his presence on that team, loaded as it now is, elevates them in the public eye.

[PennyLanePHINS]

I don't expect the Dolphins in the Super Bowl (though the Bengals doing it last year gives me a little bit of a hope). If I bet money, I'd pick KC or Buffalo, but the Dolphins entered the conversation and now I would not be completely shocked anymore. They're fun, gritty, etc. Chargers should overcome their current slump, Bengals might as well. Ravens should be around. The AFC is just going to be crazy.

Miami will be getting Byron Jones back in the secondary in Week 5. He'll improve an already solid defense. The Dolphins OL is hurting though, but that's been a thing for years. They were down to some third stringers against Buffalo. Austin Jackson has been a big loss for Miami there, but he'll be back as well soon.

As for the NFC - who has any idea what is going on there.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by PennyLanePHINS

As for the NFC - who has any idea what is going on there.

Eagles look legit but might be peaking at the wrong time. Bucs and Packers look to have Championship defenses.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Hewson

OK, so TB is currently the 3rd, 4th or 5th choice to win the Superb Owl on most sites (Bills and Chiefs are 1, 2 and then Eagles Pack and Bucs are a mix of 3-5 depending on the site). Dolphins slot in 8th most places (behind Rams and Ravens). You don't think based on that info that the Dolphins wouldn't be higher on that list if Brady were their QB? Come on, you're a gambler, you know if Brady was throwing to Hill and Waddle that Miami team would be higher on the list than Tampa with Tua or Blaine Gabbert as well as Philly and Baltimore and the Rams. They'd be no worse than 3rd or 4th.

The Lakers and Nets were early season favorites to win the NBA title last year.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

The Lakers and Nets were early season favorites to win the NBA title last year.

FINALLY we're talking Lakers.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

The Lakers and Nets were early season favorites to win the NBA title last year.

And your point is?
I'm not saying that Brady + Dolphins = Superb Owl, I'm saying they'd be favorites.
So you just basically illustrated my point. Thanks, and enjoy the sashimi and KFC.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by mikal

Eagles look legit but might be peaking at the wrong time. Bucs and Packers look to have Championship defenses.

Eagles have a pretty favorable schedule too.
Biggest road tests appear to be at AZ and at Indy (plus at DAL is iate Dec so Dak should be back)
Home tests are Tenn and GB.
Could easily get the bye if they continue playing like the first 3 weeks. Big if of course.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

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