NFL Thread III - Page 39

phanan · 01-16-2022, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

I had no strong preference for who would win Bills/Patriots but seeing the Bills annihilate the Pats like that after Belichick used to run up the score was very entertaining.

I don't get the continued "running up the score" narrative associated with Belichick, and I assume it's just a Patriots thing due to their success through the years, since he's hardly the only coach who plays throughout no matter what, but ok.

I had no issue with the Bills scoring yesterday. The Patriots couldn't stop it - that's on them. Not the Bills fault.

phanan · 01-16-2022, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

After the way Mac ended the season I don’t think there was any doubt in my mind that he’s not playoff ready.

Obviously he's still got a ways to go, but he certainly wasn't the issue in that game.

LuckyNumber7 · 01-16-2022, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by phanan

Obviously he's still got a ways to go, but he certainly wasn't the issue in that game.

Billy B said it himself. You’re not keeping up with those Bills. Mac couldn’t.

Hewson · 01-16-2022, 09:26 AM

That loss is on the defense way more than it's on the offense or Jones.
The guy in charge of that defense needs to be fired today. As its Steve Belichick, that won't happen. But until Bill realizes that kid must have gotten his football acumen from his mother, Pats are in trouble.
They ended the season as the team I described them as after week 6, the 7 game win streak was basically a mirage.

Hewson · 01-16-2022, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by phanan

I don't get the continued "running up the score" narrative associated with Belichick, .

He absolutely ran it up against the Redskins in 2007, ElMel's team, it was personal between him and Gibbs. That may have left a lasting impression.

bono_212 · 01-16-2022, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hewson

That loss is on the defense way more than it's on the offense or Jones.
The guy in charge of that defense needs to be fired today. As its Steve Belichick, that won't happen. But until Bill realizes that kid must have gotten his football acumen from his mother, Pats are in trouble.
They ended the season as the team I described them as after week 6, the 7 game win streak was basically a mirage.

There were definitely overreaction to how bad a team they were, but I think things look bright as long as Bill gives the kid the boot. Any other coach I'd agree it wouldn't happen but nothing would surprise me with Belichick.

I'm thinking they're a pretty great team next year and Jones shapes up a bit more, but pieces are in place. That defense definitely wasn't that bad all season. I don't know WHAT that was.

phanan · 01-16-2022, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hewson

They ended the season as the team I described them as after week 6, the 7 game win streak was basically a mirage.

I'm higher on the team than you are. I was back then, and still am. I don't think it was a mirage at all. I think it's a sign of things to come; they just need to get more consistent with it.

Jones is legit. Having the QB in place is obviously a major step.

I think Belichick, while he has certainly evolved over the last couple years in his free agency/draft approach, needs to go a step further in doing something he really hasn't done - get a legitimate #1 receiver. I think Bourne and Meyers are great #2s, but they need a true superstar at that position.

After that, it's obviously fixing the defense. Not sure if they re-sign JC Jackson or not, but now more than ever, it's apparent that they need speed on that side of the ball. Hopefully they'll address that this offseason.

Hewson · 01-16-2022, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

I think Belichick, while he has certainly evolved over the last couple years in his free agency/draft approach

His draft this year was a straight up success. Jones, Barmore and Stephenson with 3 of your first 4 picks.

The praise he got for the FA class is way overblown and mostly a result of Judon having a great first 10 games of the season.
Judon disappeared down the stretch.
Still a good signing, but only Bourne and Henry were also worthwhile signings.
Jonnu Smith, complete bust.
Nelson Algholor, complete bust.
Godchaux, waste of money.
Mills...so so.

Got maybe 50% of value for the money spent.

LuckyNumber7 · 01-16-2022, 12:35 PM

Weird you’re saying Smith and Agholor are complete busts. Some awkward chicken and egg argument. Billy B is known for mixing up his featured receivers and backs. Took a while to get Mac Jones producing. Agholor had his games, but it’s not like his numbers were anything less than his career averages. He was just targeted less.

Hewson · 01-16-2022, 06:16 PM

Agholor averaged 31.5 receiving yards a game in the 15 games he played.
For $12 million. That is a complete bust. Targeted less because of his inability to get open,

Smith averaged 18.4 yards and scored a whole 1 TD,
What did you think of Smith's performance last night...you don't say, you didn't notice him? 21 snaps, 0 targets, 0 catches, 0 rushes

Those are flat out busts for the contracts they signed this season. To argue differently is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

iron yuppie · 01-16-2022, 06:54 PM

I don't have a means of watching this game - but did SF just call a QB sneak on 4th down with a 7-point lead and under a minute left in the game? WTF was that?

LuckyNumber7 · 01-16-2022, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hewson

Agholor averaged 31.5 receiving yards a game in the 15 games he played.
For $12 million. That is a complete bust. Targeted less because of his inability to get open,

Smith averaged 18.4 yards and scored a whole 1 TD,
What did you think of Smith's performance last night...you don't say, you didn't notice him? 21 snaps, 0 targets, 0 catches, 0 rushes

Those are flat out busts for the contracts they signed this season. To argue differently is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You kinda do this thing sometimes where you miss the point. Agholor is the same Agholor he was before. He was targeted less. What did you expect?

phanan · 01-16-2022, 07:04 PM

Yeah, if anything the Patriots overpaid for Agholor. He is who he is.

As for Smith, it was more of a projection of how he would continue to improve as he came into this system. Obviously that didn't happen.

Godchaux and Mills were pretty good though.

phanan · 01-16-2022, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by iron yuppie

I don't have a means of watching this game - but did SF just call a QB sneak on 4th down with a 7-point lead and under a minute left in the game? WTF was that?

Yep, and they got it, but were penalized. I thought it was a good call. It was literally a couple of inches.

And it was only a six point lead.

mikal · 01-16-2022, 07:37 PM

Was actually cheering for Dallas because I think the 49ers are going to be a really tough matchup for Green Bay. Fatigue might hit San Fran though. Short week as they’ll play on Saturday and the 49ers have been in the road the last 4 of 5 weeks. They’re playing really good ball though.

DaveC · 01-16-2022, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Agholor is the same Agholor he was before.

Hewson · 01-16-2022, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

Yep, and they got it, but were penalized. I thought it was a good call. It was literally a couple of inches.

And it was only a six point lead.

There were some real shenanigans with the clock at the end of that game,

The ball was snapped at 1:21 on the Samuel run on 3rd down, play took about 8-9 seconds as he went around the end,
They spot the ball and start the clock, then an official's timeout for measurement, Clock is stopped at 1 minute even and play clock at 29.
They measure, grant the first, then go to replay, re-spot the ball and remeasure it short. So now clock should resume and tick down and SF can run it to 31-32 seconds before calling timeout.
But wait, they set game clock to 1:04, then set play clock to 25. Say what?
Then Shanahan calls timeout as the game clock ticks from 39 to 38. But when they take the field for the play, game clock is at 40. That in essence is saying the Samuel run on 3rd took exactly 1 second.
Someone was trying to give Dallas every chance to pull that thing out. Even that penalty call, looked to me like Willaims was fully set.

Hewson · 01-16-2022, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

Yeah, if anything the Patriots overpaid for Agholor. He is who he is.

.

And at the price they paid, he is a free agent bust. He was paid to be a #1, to stretch the field, be a deep threat. He led the NFL in YPC last year, clearly that was the outlier, but he was paid to bring that kind of production and it wasn't anywhere close to there.

bono_212 · 01-17-2022, 03:37 AM

God bless the Nickelodeon game.

That is all.

Headache in a Suitcase · 01-17-2022, 05:22 AM

Shocking that two teams that got to inflate their records against the Giants and WFT lost their first round games in embarrassing fashion

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01-16-2022, 09:26 AM	#764
Hewson Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Your own private Idaho Posts: 32,733 Local Time: 02:29 AM	That loss is on the defense way more than it's on the offense or Jones. The guy in charge of that defense needs to be fired today. As its Steve Belichick, that won't happen. But until Bill realizes that kid must have gotten his football acumen from his mother, Pats are in trouble. They ended the season as the team I described them as after week 6, the 7 game win streak was basically a mirage.

01-16-2022, 12:35 PM	#769
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,913 Local Time: 02:29 AM	Weird you’re saying Smith and Agholor are complete busts. Some awkward chicken and egg argument. Billy B is known for mixing up his featured receivers and backs. Took a while to get Mac Jones producing. Agholor had his games, but it’s not like his numbers were anything less than his career averages. He was just targeted less.

01-16-2022, 06:16 PM	#770
Hewson Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Your own private Idaho Posts: 32,733 Local Time: 02:29 AM	Agholor averaged 31.5 receiving yards a game in the 15 games he played. For $12 million. That is a complete bust. Targeted less because of his inability to get open, Smith averaged 18.4 yards and scored a whole 1 TD, What did you think of Smith's performance last night...you don't say, you didn't notice him? 21 snaps, 0 targets, 0 catches, 0 rushes Those are flat out busts for the contracts they signed this season. To argue differently is just arguing for the sake of arguing.

01-16-2022, 06:54 PM	#771
iron yuppie ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 10,715 Local Time: 01:29 AM	I don't have a means of watching this game - but did SF just call a QB sneak on 4th down with a 7-point lead and under a minute left in the game? WTF was that?

01-16-2022, 07:04 PM	#773
phanan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in the darkness on the edge of town Posts: 26,079 Local Time: 02:29 AM	Yeah, if anything the Patriots overpaid for Agholor. He is who he is. As for Smith, it was more of a projection of how he would continue to improve as he came into this system. Obviously that didn't happen. Godchaux and Mills were pretty good though.

01-16-2022, 07:37 PM	#775
mikal Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Black Lodge Posts: 27,444 Local Time: 01:29 AM	Was actually cheering for Dallas because I think the 49ers are going to be a really tough matchup for Green Bay. Fatigue might hit San Fran though. Short week as they’ll play on Saturday and the 49ers have been in the road the last 4 of 5 weeks. They’re playing really good ball though.