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Old 06-28-2011, 03:16 PM   #981
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Because years matter just as much as money so it's part of the bargaining. The team that offers you an extra year or two at the same salary is the team that gets the player.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:48 PM   #982
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Sources are indicating a deal for Stamkos is definitely being talked about, though the Flyers aren't the only team in the mix.
The Flyers are considering an attempt to offer out of Tampa's price range.
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You know what sucks about offer sheets? They only work for teams that meet two characteristics:

1. Rich teams
2. Good teams

So what if you lose your next 4 1st round picks? They're late 1st round picks anyways. If we offered up, we could potentially be losing 1-4 top 10 picks. Oh, and we can't afford to offer up 11m a season.

I still think it's a stupid idea for the Flyers. You're just going to piss people off with an offer sheet for a seemingly untouchable player. If you want Stamkos, get him through a trade like a gentleman or don't do it at all.

In fact, it would probably be a whole lot easier on the Flyers to get Stamkos through a trade, too. You could send salary back the other way.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:05 PM   #984
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In a league with $16 million between the cap floor (48) and the cap ceiling (64), it's difficult for me to understand the rich vs. poor argument.

I'm not sure how I feel about some sort of godfather offer for Stamkos. I'll have to look more into the potential deal here.
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I remember when Philly signed Ryan Kesler to an exorbitant offer sheet and most people wondered: who? He had 5-10 goals at the time and only 2 or 3 years of experience.

Seems they were right about that guy.
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In a league with $16 million between the cap floor (48) and the cap ceiling (64), it's difficult for me to understand the rich vs. poor argument.

I'm not sure how I feel about some sort of godfather offer for Stamkos. I'll have to look more into the potential deal here.

In a league where cap hit is especially important and there are several ways to circumvent the cap, the difference is a little larger than it seems. I'm sure you know how cap hit works, but a team doesn't necessarily need to pay off the minimum (or the maximum for that matter).

While the difference is still pretty small, you've got to forget the fact that other sports have larger cap differences as well. It's all relative to the league. Teams like the Islanders and Panthers simply don't have the physical cash to spend every season, unlike the Flyers who probably have more money than the cap allows. Ideally, the Flyers can get whatever they want. The Panthers can't exactly spend to the cap without going under.

And the point behind the Stamkos godfather offer as you say is that Tampa Bay WILL match any deal presented by Philly because 4 Philly 1st round picks are not worth Steven Stamkos. They'll match the deal, and then they'll be pissed off with Philly because they'll have to get rid of other players that they can no longer afford.
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I agree to an extent, and there are questions about whether Tampa has the cash to pony up for Stamkos if a Philly or a Toronto makes a big play for him.

The Flyers have a shit ton of money. They could reach the cap if it was $120 million, especially now that Spectacor is selling the Sixers.
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It sure has been fun trolling TBL fans with the Stamkos talk this past week or two. Too bad, he looks so nice in the new jersey on the NHL 12 cover.



Oh well
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Flyers sign Jagr, Talbot, and Lilja, lock up Voracek, trade Versteeg to the LN7's, and now may be making a play for Brad Richards. They lose Ville Leino, who signs a deal with Buffalo.

I have no idea how I feel about all this.
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The Jagr bit will be interesting to say the least.

Told ya the Versteeg deal was bound to happen one way or another.

Looks like the PhilsFans and the Panthers have gone out and monopolized on the FA market...

Panthers nabbed Jose Theodore, Scottie Upshall, Tomas Fleischmann, Marcel Goc, Ed Jovonovski, and Kris Versteeg. Likely to lose Vokoun unless a Clemmensen trade is in the works. Gotta sign Santorelli and Matthias which will put us just at the cap... wont be surprised if the Panthers make a big move via trade though.
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The Versteeg deal is a rare deal that really benefits both sides well. We needed to cap space and he didn't fit. You guys get a solid player who can help build towards the cap. Victory for all, let's go out drinking with GAF to celebrate.
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And sure enough the Flyers hardly lost anything for his service... traded a late first and got back a 2nd.

I'm really excited to see what the Panthers can do from here. We're certainly not there yet in terms of a playoff team, but we're one good player away from getting there IMO. Whether that person is Brad Richards, Huberdeau, or another player on the roster stepping up their play. IDK, but I'd rather play it safe! Grab Richards!
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Exciting to see some teams like Florida making big moves. Giving yourself a chance never hurt anyone.
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Wow, did you two go to couples conselling or something?
You never had such a lovefest in the NBA or MLB threads.
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For a Marlins and Philllies fan I think we get along just fine in MLB.

It's the NBA thread where I'm particularly vilified I've chosen to go on vacation with the rest of the league until that starts back up again.
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Flyers sign Jagr, Talbot, and Lilja, lock up Voracek, trade Versteeg to the LN7's, and now may be making a play for Brad Richards. They lose Ville Leino, who signs a deal with Buffalo.

I have no idea how I feel about all this.
The Jagr and Talbot signings probably ruffled the feathers of the Pittsburgh Penguins and their horrible fans.

Feel better?
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I wish. I know some Flyers fans who like them just for that. I'd enjoy it a lot more if the players were exciting additions.
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I think the Jagr addition is exciting simply because of the legend that is Jaromir Jagr. Yeah, he might be questionable/washed up, but it's still Jaromir Jagr. I'd be glad to say he ever played for my team.
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Panthers nabbed Jose Theodore,
I was pretty happy with what I saw from Theodore this past year.
I still wish the Wild had kept Khodobin though. I guess they are pretty confident in our goalie situation. I think Harding is going away, too.
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I was pretty happy with what I saw from Theodore this past year.
I still wish the Wild had kept Khodobin though. I guess they are pretty confident in our goalie situation. I think Harding is going away, too.
If I had opened the paper this morning I would have read that we resigned Harding.
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