National Hockey League 2010-2011 - Page 49

PhilsFan · 06-24-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BoMac

Philly did well in this. They got Schenn, Simmonds, and drafted Sean Couturier, the pre-season favourite for #1 overall.

If they pan out as they're projected to, and with JVR and Giroux in the mix, then Philly will be in good shape for the next decade or more.

I'm pretty psyched.

LuckyNumber7 · 06-24-2011, 11:39 PM

It's always dangerous to draft a dropper, although Philly's in just the situation where that's okay.

PhilsFan · 06-25-2011, 12:27 AM

Didn't he drop because he missed part of the year with illness? I'm not too worried about that.

I would have liked Dougie Hamilton, but it would have been stupid to pass this guy up.

LuckyNumber7 · 06-25-2011, 03:08 AM

There's questions in his ability to translate talent into the NHL.

Players don't simply drop from the #1 overall pick for missing 10 games in a season. That would never happen. Adam Larsson was also a dropper. Both of those players were talked about well before their draft, too. Perhaps as early as two or three years previous to it.

I mean, there are cases where droppers did well (Cam Fowler, originally prospected around #3, went #12, need I say more?) and also cases where droppers dropped for a clear reason (Angelo Esposito originally prospected at #1, went #20, bust).

Obviously Couturier didn't drop as much, but it's always good to be cautious of a dropper. Usually, something is up that the scouts know about.

PhilsFan · 06-25-2011, 11:25 AM

Not for missing ten games, for being sluggish when he returned. Mono does that. Most experts seem to agree that he shouldn't have dropped to 8.

But I digress. You are correct to note that there is reason to be cautious. I'm just hoping we got lucky on a guy who shouldn't have dropped. With him and Schenn, the future looks much more promising than even a couple days ago, when everything seemed to be built around a "have to win now" mentality.

ryancoke71 · 06-26-2011, 11:04 AM

For anyone who lives in Montreal, could you shoot me a pm and let me know a great place to stay by the Bell Centre? My hubby is a huge Habs fan, and has never seen them play at home, so I want to surprise him for his birthday. Thanks!

BoMac · 06-26-2011, 12:55 PM

Pretty much anything downtown is within walking distance to the Bell Centre.

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ryancoke71 · 06-26-2011, 01:41 PM

Thanks! I want to book the hotel before the tickets go on sale in August.

LuckyNumber7 · 06-26-2011, 03:18 PM

Oh, and the Panthers moved in with the steal of the draft with Rocco Grimaldi at #33. Arguably the most talented and one of the most athletic players in the draft. If he was 6'0" and not 5'6", he would've been a top 5 pick.

I'm totally okay with drafting him though, considering we had 5 picks in the next two rounds. Hopefully he pans out, because this draft will otherwise be golden for us.

PhilsFan · 06-26-2011, 03:53 PM

I was just talking to a hockey scout the other day about the draft, and he did say that teams today tend to put a disproportionate amount of value into size.

Hewson · 06-26-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilsFan

I was just talking to a hockey scout the other day about the draft, and he did say that teams today tend to put a disproportionate amount of value into size.

You'd think Brad Marchand's play in this year's playoffs might help dissuade that a bit, but apparently not.

LuckyNumber7 · 06-26-2011, 10:35 PM

Or Brian Gionta and his 200 NHL goals/400 NHL points and his Stanley Cup ring.

Or Marty St. Louis and his 300 NHL goals/800 NHL points, his Stanley Cup ring, his Art Ross trophy, his Lester B. Pearson Award, and his Hart Memorial Trophy, and his 6 NHL All-Star appearances.

Or Mike Cammalleri, Ray Whitney, Danny Briere, and I believe Andy McDonald. All players under 5'10". Granted, for so many success stories I'm sure there are plenty of stories where the little guy got tossed around in the AHL and couldn't make it through the pros.

Canadiens1131 · 06-26-2011, 11:48 PM

The way the refs are calling the game post lockout is much more conducive to small quick players. It's a lot harder for slower, big dmen to hang themselves over a forward or keep harassing/obstructing him with a stick.

BoMac · 06-27-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilsFan

I was just talking to a hockey scout the other day about the draft, and he did say that teams today tend to put a disproportionate amount of value into size.

You need a healthy balance, though. I don't mind small players, but if there's too many on one team then there's a problem. In the case of Montreal, they're littered with small, quick players, and I was closely watching if they were drafting bigger players this time around. In some instances they drafted players 6'1" or taller, which pleased me because they need that size. Although their third round pick is a small offensive dynamo who's 5'9" or thereabouts, so we'll see how that pans out.

kramwest1 · 06-27-2011, 11:49 AM

Not too sad to see Burns go--our only All Star this past year, but our defense still sucked.
Maybe the better defense will be a good offense?

I think it's safe to say that this will be a fun season to watch, but I'm not expecting too much. Glad that if we gave up a great 26-yr-old, we are getting a great 24-yr-old.

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Canadiens1131 · 06-27-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kramwest1

Not too sad to see Burns go--our only All Star this past year, but our defense still sucked.
Maybe the better defense will be a good offense?

I think it's safe to say that this will be a fun season to watch, but I'm not expecting too much. Glad that if we gave up a great 26-yr-old, we are getting a great 24-yr-old.

Wild Pulls Off Blockbuster With San Jose - Minnesota Wild | 2011 NHL Entry Draft

The announcement of that Wild trade on the floor of the arena during the draft was brilliant to watch.

Bluer White · 06-27-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kramwest1

Not too sad to see Burns go--our only All Star this past year, but our defense still sucked.
Maybe the better defense will be a good offense?

I don't think Burns would have been re-signed next summer. Deal made sense for both teams

kramwest1 · 06-27-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluer White

I don't think Burns would have been re-signed next summer. Deal made sense for both teams

What do you think of Yeo?

LuckyNumber7 · 06-27-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BoMac

You need a healthy balance, though. I don't mind small players, but if there's too many on one team then there's a problem. In the case of Montreal, they're littered with small, quick players, and I was closely watching if they were drafting bigger players this time around. In some instances they drafted players 6'1" or taller, which pleased me because they need that size. Although their third round pick is a small offensive dynamo who's 5'9" or thereabouts, so we'll see how that pans out.

Definitely, when you're constructing a team you can't be undersized. But I believe the point was that the scouts in particular give a guy like Grimaldi much less value than his talent shows.

That's not because they don't want a small player on the team. It's because they fear a small player like Grimaldi might have a tough time adjusting to the NHL or translating his talent into NHL talent because of his size. It's why he in particular was passed on by 32 other players.

bono_man2002 · 06-28-2011, 01:24 AM

Looks like Bieksa has re-signed for the canucks.

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What I don't get in American sports mostly, how new contracts for 30+ year olds seem to be for long term periods? Its a big deal in Australia if someone signs anything more than a two year deal in say the AFL.

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:31 PM	It's always dangerous to draft a dropper, although Philly's in just the situation where that's okay. __________________

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kramwest1 has a Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Not a toliet wall Posts: 6,939 Local Time: 09:31 PM	Not too sad to see Burns go--our only All Star this past year, but our defense still sucked. Maybe the better defense will be a good offense? I think it's safe to say that this will be a fun season to watch, but I'm not expecting too much. Glad that if we gave up a great 26-yr-old, we are getting a great 24-yr-old. Wild Pulls Off Blockbuster With San Jose - Minnesota Wild \| 2011 NHL Entry Draft __________________ Bread & Circuses

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bono_man2002 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In the wrong band Posts: 28,484 Local Time: 02:31 PM	Looks like Bieksa has re-signed for the canucks. Bieksa Set To Re-Sign with Canucks \| TEAM Radio \| TEAM 1040 AM \| TEAM 1410 AM \| Home of Vancouver Canucks and BC Lions What I don't get in American sports mostly, how new contracts for 30+ year olds seem to be for long term periods? Its a big deal in Australia if someone signs anything more than a two year deal in say the AFL. __________________

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06-25-2011, 12:27 AM	#963
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 11:31 PM	Didn't he drop because he missed part of the year with illness? I'm not too worried about that. I would have liked Dougie Hamilton, but it would have been stupid to pass this guy up.

06-25-2011, 03:08 AM	#964
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:31 PM	There's questions in his ability to translate talent into the NHL. Players don't simply drop from the #1 overall pick for missing 10 games in a season. That would never happen. Adam Larsson was also a dropper. Both of those players were talked about well before their draft, too. Perhaps as early as two or three years previous to it. I mean, there are cases where droppers did well (Cam Fowler, originally prospected around #3, went #12, need I say more?) and also cases where droppers dropped for a clear reason (Angelo Esposito originally prospected at #1, went #20, bust). Obviously Couturier didn't drop as much, but it's always good to be cautious of a dropper. Usually, something is up that the scouts know about.

06-25-2011, 11:25 AM	#965
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 11:31 PM	Not for missing ten games, for being sluggish when he returned. Mono does that. Most experts seem to agree that he shouldn't have dropped to 8. But I digress. You are correct to note that there is reason to be cautious. I'm just hoping we got lucky on a guy who shouldn't have dropped. With him and Schenn, the future looks much more promising than even a couple days ago, when everything seemed to be built around a "have to win now" mentality.

06-26-2011, 11:04 AM	#966
ryancoke71 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14,678 Local Time: 11:31 PM	For anyone who lives in Montreal, could you shoot me a pm and let me know a great place to stay by the Bell Centre? My hubby is a huge Habs fan, and has never seen them play at home, so I want to surprise him for his birthday. Thanks!

06-26-2011, 01:41 PM	#968
ryancoke71 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 14,678 Local Time: 11:31 PM	Thanks! I want to book the hotel before the tickets go on sale in August.

06-26-2011, 03:18 PM	#969
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:31 PM	Oh, and the Panthers moved in with the steal of the draft with Rocco Grimaldi at #33. Arguably the most talented and one of the most athletic players in the draft. If he was 6'0" and not 5'6", he would've been a top 5 pick. I'm totally okay with drafting him though, considering we had 5 picks in the next two rounds. Hopefully he pans out, because this draft will otherwise be golden for us.

06-26-2011, 03:53 PM	#970
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 11:31 PM	I was just talking to a hockey scout the other day about the draft, and he did say that teams today tend to put a disproportionate amount of value into size.

06-26-2011, 10:35 PM	#972
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:31 PM	Or Brian Gionta and his 200 NHL goals/400 NHL points and his Stanley Cup ring. Or Marty St. Louis and his 300 NHL goals/800 NHL points, his Stanley Cup ring, his Art Ross trophy, his Lester B. Pearson Award, and his Hart Memorial Trophy, and his 6 NHL All-Star appearances. Or Mike Cammalleri, Ray Whitney, Danny Briere, and I believe Andy McDonald. All players under 5'10". Granted, for so many success stories I'm sure there are plenty of stories where the little guy got tossed around in the AHL and couldn't make it through the pros.

06-26-2011, 11:48 PM	#973
Canadiens1131 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 10,363 Local Time: 11:31 PM	The way the refs are calling the game post lockout is much more conducive to small quick players. It's a lot harder for slower, big dmen to hang themselves over a forward or keep harassing/obstructing him with a stick.