National Hockey League 2010-2011 - Page 16

kramwest1 · 03-03-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CTU2fan

Yes, ties suck. And the loser point kind of sucks too. And so does the shootout.

I think I'd like to see them go to a 10 minute OT to at least minimize the shootout factor. I get that they can't have 4OT regular season marathons, but a longer OT period seems like a decent compromise.

I think the loser point is an okay compromise. A case could be made for a 10 minute OT (I assume 4 on 4 still). The travel/time demands are so great though, whatever can be done to end a game in a reasonable amount of time with a satisfying end gets my vote, so I'm happy with the current system.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-03-2011, 01:27 PM

Yeah...

Hockey is a very grueling sport and takes a toll on a players body. 10 minute OTs would be great for fans but ridiculous for the players. Unfair, would never pass through the NHL or the NHLPA.

Canadiens1131 · 03-04-2011, 04:48 AM

Well the Sabres look to have their future secured with a new owner with seemingly unlimited cash and a love of hockey, which is a good thing.

The Coyotes and Thrashers are drawing, what, less than 10k a game each? The Coyotes situation has been worsening in recent weeks, and the Thrashers owners are looking to sell or relocate, so anything can happen.

That said, Winnipeg will probably get first shot at an NHL franchise relocation since the arena is already there.

I'd love to see Quebec get a team back, though. The city has a homogeneous, sleepy government town vibe (like Ottawa with more sacres) and it could use a kick in the pants from a new arena for a new Nordiques.

I'm a Montrealer at heart but a little in-province competition would be nice to get this city running at a higher clip.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As far as the shootout, I prefer it over the tie, but the boobie prize point for making it to overtime sucks.

Comparisons to European football should not be used, because even I, who love the Beautiful Game, think deciding series on aggregate goals is fucking stupid. Comparisons to MLB are also unfair, because baseball is close enough to being an individual sport and they're not rolling lines every minute or two for 60 minutes of play.

At the end of the day, you want to give the fans attending a regular-season game a product that will entertain them, not destroy the players with 4 OTs of extra time, and send everyone home on a weeknight early enough for work the next morning.

The shootout isn't a great solution, but it's better than nothing. If anything get rid of the pity point for losing in OT/SO.

WinnieThePoo · 03-04-2011, 05:30 AM

GO BRUINS

THIS LOOKS LIKE THE YEAR
OH GOD IF YOU'RE OUT THERE .....
please atleast eastern conference finals please
notanother nightmare in the playoffs ......

CTU2fan · 03-04-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1131

Well the Sabres look to have their future secured with a new owner with seemingly unlimited cash and a love of hockey, which is a good thing.

The Coyotes and Thrashers are drawing, what, less than 10k a game each? The Coyotes situation has been worsening in recent weeks, and the Thrashers owners are looking to sell or relocate, so anything can happen.

That said, Winnipeg will probably get first shot at an NHL franchise relocation since the arena is already there.

I'd love to see Quebec get a team back, though. The city has a homogeneous, sleepy government town vibe (like Ottawa with more sacres) and it could use a kick in the pants from a new arena for a new Nordiques.

I'm a Montrealer at heart but a little in-province competition would be nice to get this city running at a higher clip.

I'm with you, I'd love to see the Nordiques return. I know my own Whalers are never coming back, but it would be nice to see Quebec and Winnipeg get their teams back...and IMO Habs/Nordiques is as good a rivalry as their is in sports. Obviously a team like Montreal, with their history of success, is going to have several "rivals" (Boston, Toronto), but I've always gotten the sense those rivalries mean more to Bruins and Leafs fans; the Montreal/Quebec thing seemed to be a lot more mutual.

CrashedCarDriver · 03-04-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CTU2fan

I'm with you, I'd love to see the Nordiques return. I know my own Whalers are never coming back, but it would be nice to see Quebec and Winnipeg get their teams back...and IMO Habs/Nordiques is as good a rivalry as their is in sports. Obviously a team like Montreal, with their history of success, is going to have several "rivals" (Boston, Toronto), but I've always gotten the sense those rivalries mean more to Bruins and Leafs fans; the Montreal/Quebec thing seemed to be a lot more mutual.

Back in the days when Quebec was playing in the NHL the announcements made on the PA Announcer was in French

Eric Lindros refused to play in Quebec because he wanted nothing to do with French Canadiens

etc

The Original NHL used to be a very Canadian thing (French Canada and all), but when the states took over (some time in the late 90s); they tried to give it a McDonalds franchises in cities kind of appeal.

It could only last so long before everyone wants to vomit from Franchise food

PhilsFan · 03-04-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1131

Well the Sabres look to have their future secured with a new owner with seemingly unlimited cash and a love of hockey, which is a good thing.

He also basically owns Penn State hockey now, which is drumming up a lot of excitement here.

BoMac · 03-04-2011, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrashedCarDriver

Back in the days when Quebec was playing in the NHL the announcements made on the PA Announcer was in French

Eric Lindros refused to play in Quebec because he wanted nothing to do with French Canadiens

etc

The Original NHL used to be a very Canadian thing (French Canada and all), but when the states took over (some time in the late 90s); they tried to give it a McDonalds franchises in cities kind of appeal.

It could only last so long before everyone wants to vomit from Franchise food

I have no idea what this means.

Thora · 03-05-2011, 05:38 PM

Afternoon games aren't always great for the Canucks, but it was a good one today. Seemed like the majority of people in the Kings' arena were Canucks fans, which is awesome.

Canadiens1131 · 03-05-2011, 07:26 PM

Let's face it, organized ice hockey has a very high $$$ barrier to entry if a kid wants to play anything more than a pickup game of shinny.

I'm really not surprised the NHL has failed to make a dent in a large, urban market like Atlanta where a young inner city kid can go to the park and play basketball or football or baseball for next to nothing.

I wonder if there's ever been any decent sociological studies into youth hockey, the money it takes to compete at the organized level, and whether demographics like race figure into it a lot.

Ice time ain't cheap.

RavenBlue · 03-05-2011, 07:30 PM

It's neat watching Roloson play, he used to play for the farm team of the Calgary Flames, which was in our city. I met him, shook his hand, got his autograph and a stick. It's very rewarding to watch all these players I watched in the AHL and QMJHL move on up and kick ass. I want the Habs to win, but still.. it's a neat feeling.

Canadiens1131 · 03-05-2011, 07:52 PM

Hey, the Lightning are basically Montreal Canadiens South, or at least they have all the francophone superstars and coach we want

LuckyNumber7 · 03-05-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Canadiens1131

Hey, the Lightning are basically Montreal Canadiens South, or at least they have all the francophone superstars and coach we want

Correction, the Florida Panthers. We're 'home' when you guys come around town.

'home'.

CrashedCarDriver · 03-05-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Correction, the Florida Panthers. We're 'home' when you guys come around town.

'home'.

Its only a true American competition with names such as Tremblay, St Denis, Desjardins, Thibault, Fleury being prominent household names

LuckyNumber7 · 03-05-2011, 11:41 PM

Oh I'm just more commenting on the fact that 4 out of every 5 fans are Canadiens fans in a Canadiens @ Panthers game. And it sells out.

PhilsFan · 03-06-2011, 02:43 PM

The Flyers have fallen asleep.

DRay9911 · 03-06-2011, 03:23 PM

shoulda went for 2

elevated_u2_fan · 03-08-2011, 10:47 AM

just don't give Boston another lottery pick...
just don't give Boston another lottery pick...
just don't give Boston another lottery pick...
just don't give Boston another lottery pick...
just don't give Boston another lottery pick...
just don't give Boston another lottery pick...
just don't give Boston another lottery pick...
just don't give Boston another lottery pick...

LuckyNumber7 · 03-08-2011, 01:52 PM

The Panthers will happily have the Maple Leafs #1 pick from Boston. We'll give you David Booth.

No but in all seriousness. $$-wise the Panthers cant afford to give anyone David Booth. Or Stephen Weiss. Or Rostislav Olesz

.

We're $30 million from the cap floor with most of our $16 million tied up between Booth, Weiss, and Olesz (and among others small guys like Jason Garrison and Mike Weaver, etc.).

Dale Tallon's got some spending to do. But that's okay, he never had a problem with that. I think he should acquire fat expiring cap hits like Gomez from NY (and have NY send a 1st or 2nd round pick as well) in exchange. Then go for the buyout... reach the cap floor. Suck it up again this season, and really push hard in next year's FA market once some of the prospects from last year's draft (7 picks in first 2 rounds) are NHL ready. Make us a real playoff contender.

BoMac · 03-08-2011, 02:11 PM

As much as I hate to admit it, Gomez has been playing in Montreal the last two seasons.

And if you want him, you can have him, but there's no way Montreal is giving up a first or even a second round pick just to get rid of him.

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:12 PM	Yeah... Hockey is a very grueling sport and takes a toll on a players body. 10 minute OTs would be great for fans but ridiculous for the players. Unfair, would never pass through the NHL or the NHLPA. __________________

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Thora Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Wishing I was on the beach Posts: 34,116 Local Time: 08:12 PM	Afternoon games aren't always great for the Canucks, but it was a good one today. Seemed like the majority of people in the Kings' arena were Canucks fans, which is awesome. __________________ Insert something interesting here

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BoMac Self-righteous bullshitter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Soviet Canuckistan — Socialist paradise Posts: 16,900 Local Time: 12:12 AM	As much as I hate to admit it, Gomez has been playing in Montreal the last two seasons. And if you want him, you can have him, but there's no way Montreal is giving up a first or even a second round pick just to get rid of him. __________________ __________________

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03-04-2011, 04:48 AM	#303
Canadiens1131 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 10,363 Local Time: 11:12 PM	Well the Sabres look to have their future secured with a new owner with seemingly unlimited cash and a love of hockey, which is a good thing. The Coyotes and Thrashers are drawing, what, less than 10k a game each? The Coyotes situation has been worsening in recent weeks, and the Thrashers owners are looking to sell or relocate, so anything can happen. That said, Winnipeg will probably get first shot at an NHL franchise relocation since the arena is already there. I'd love to see Quebec get a team back, though. The city has a homogeneous, sleepy government town vibe (like Ottawa with more sacres) and it could use a kick in the pants from a new arena for a new Nordiques. I'm a Montrealer at heart but a little in-province competition would be nice to get this city running at a higher clip. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As far as the shootout, I prefer it over the tie, but the boobie prize point for making it to overtime sucks. Comparisons to European football should not be used, because even I, who love the Beautiful Game, think deciding series on aggregate goals is fucking stupid. Comparisons to MLB are also unfair, because baseball is close enough to being an individual sport and they're not rolling lines every minute or two for 60 minutes of play. At the end of the day, you want to give the fans attending a regular-season game a product that will entertain them, not destroy the players with 4 OTs of extra time, and send everyone home on a weeknight early enough for work the next morning. The shootout isn't a great solution, but it's better than nothing. If anything get rid of the pity point for losing in OT/SO.

03-04-2011, 05:30 AM	#304
WinnieThePoo Refugee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: New England Posts: 2,232 Local Time: 11:12 PM	GO BRUINS THIS LOOKS LIKE THE YEAR OH GOD IF YOU'RE OUT THERE ..... please atleast eastern conference finals please notanother nightmare in the playoffs ......

03-05-2011, 07:26 PM	#310
Canadiens1131 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 10,363 Local Time: 11:12 PM	Let's face it, organized ice hockey has a very high $$$ barrier to entry if a kid wants to play anything more than a pickup game of shinny. I'm really not surprised the NHL has failed to make a dent in a large, urban market like Atlanta where a young inner city kid can go to the park and play basketball or football or baseball for next to nothing. I wonder if there's ever been any decent sociological studies into youth hockey, the money it takes to compete at the organized level, and whether demographics like race figure into it a lot. Ice time ain't cheap.

03-05-2011, 07:30 PM	#311
RavenBlue Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The majestic Canuckian wilderness Posts: 17,103 Local Time: 12:12 AM	It's neat watching Roloson play, he used to play for the farm team of the Calgary Flames, which was in our city. I met him, shook his hand, got his autograph and a stick. It's very rewarding to watch all these players I watched in the AHL and QMJHL move on up and kick ass. I want the Habs to win, but still.. it's a neat feeling.

03-05-2011, 07:52 PM	#312
Canadiens1131 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 10,363 Local Time: 11:12 PM	Hey, the Lightning are basically Montreal Canadiens South, or at least they have all the francophone superstars and coach we want

03-05-2011, 11:41 PM	#315
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:12 PM	Oh I'm just more commenting on the fact that 4 out of every 5 fans are Canadiens fans in a Canadiens @ Panthers game. And it sells out.

03-06-2011, 02:43 PM	#316
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 11:12 PM	The Flyers have fallen asleep.

03-06-2011, 03:23 PM	#317
DRay9911 Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 8,308 Local Time: 08:12 PM	shoulda went for 2

03-08-2011, 10:47 AM	#318
elevated_u2_fan Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I'm here 'cus I don't want to go home Posts: 31,961 Local Time: 10:12 PM	just don't give Boston another lottery pick... just don't give Boston another lottery pick... just don't give Boston another lottery pick... just don't give Boston another lottery pick... just don't give Boston another lottery pick... just don't give Boston another lottery pick... just don't give Boston another lottery pick... just don't give Boston another lottery pick...

03-08-2011, 01:52 PM	#319
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:12 PM	The Panthers will happily have the Maple Leafs #1 pick from Boston. We'll give you David Booth. No but in all seriousness. $$-wise the Panthers cant afford to give anyone David Booth. Or Stephen Weiss. Or Rostislav Olesz . We're $30 million from the cap floor with most of our $16 million tied up between Booth, Weiss, and Olesz (and among others small guys like Jason Garrison and Mike Weaver, etc.). Dale Tallon's got some spending to do. But that's okay, he never had a problem with that. I think he should acquire fat expiring cap hits like Gomez from NY (and have NY send a 1st or 2nd round pick as well) in exchange. Then go for the buyout... reach the cap floor. Suck it up again this season, and really push hard in next year's FA market once some of the prospects from last year's draft (7 picks in first 2 rounds) are NHL ready. Make us a real playoff contender.