2011 MLB Thread- Part One - Page 23

the tourist · 05-01-2011, 09:39 PM

So apparently Ichiro felt bad for the Sox. Because he did just about the worst thing you can do with a ball lost in the sun and didn't get in front of it.

DRay9911 · 05-01-2011, 10:17 PM

someone posted on tbl that everyone at citizens were chanting USA-USA-USA when the bin laden news spread.

if that happened, that's awesome

DRay9911 · 05-01-2011, 11:31 PM

YouTube - Phillies fans react to Bin Laden news with "USA" chant

Headache in a Suitcase · 05-02-2011, 09:46 AM

nothing brings mets and phillies fans together like a bullet to the head.

gump · 05-02-2011, 08:12 PM

Verlander is pretty fantastic even when he doesn't have good command. 100 mph in his 127th pitch of the night? Impressive.

LuckyNumber7 · 05-02-2011, 09:11 PM

Stanton with a nosebleeder! Upper decks

What an awful pitching matchup.

gump · 05-02-2011, 09:25 PM

Watching Valverde and his histrionics make me appreciate Mariano even more.

LuckyNumber7 · 05-02-2011, 10:40 PM

My love for Josh Johnson continues.

Lowest hits through 40 innings since 1900.

the tourist · 05-03-2011, 02:29 AM

I wonder when he'll throw a shutout.

LuckyNumber7 · 05-03-2011, 12:48 PM

That's really been his only issue this year. Keeping the pitch count lower. He's been going into the 7th and 8th innings already over 100 every time.

the tourist · 05-03-2011, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

That's really been his only issue this year. Keeping the pitch count lower. He's been going into the 7th and 8th innings already over 100 every time.

That's been an issue his entire career. I struggle to think of another starting pitcher as dominant who has trouble finishing games.

LuckyNumber7 · 05-03-2011, 02:59 PM

He doesn't have trouble finishing games at all. Well, unless you expect a pitcher to actually go all 9 innings on a regular occasion.

He often finishes games through 7, which is completely ideal allowing the 8th inning setup and the 9th inning closer. And when not in a save situation, another combination.

I just have a hard time as viewing that as an issue worth addressing. He pitches like this the entire season (granted the ERA will go up eventually) and he's a near shoo-in for the Cy Young. Even with 0 CG.

the tourist · 05-03-2011, 03:06 PM

Well, yeah, but regression will happen. If his numbers are comparable to someone else, but that other pitcher has 8 complete games and JJ has 0, JJ doesn't stand a chance in hell.

And also, I'll take my ace over a setup man and closer in the 8th and 9th any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

LuckyNumber7 · 05-03-2011, 03:16 PM

It's not regression, it's correction. He's clearly pitching at a highly dominant level at the moment. Nobody would ever finish the season with the numbers he's at.

Nobody matched him last year, and had he not been shut down early people would've looked a bit more at him for the Cy Young, complete games or not. He led the league in ERA.

And that's ridiculous. You'd rather have a guy who's going to finish the game maybe four or five more times than Johnson but allow about one to two more runs every game. If you have an even remotely decent setup/closer unit, they wont equate to a run to two runs per two innings.

the tourist · 05-03-2011, 04:05 PM

Yeah, he's pitching like Randy Johnson did with the Astros in '98. Except without being able to finish the games.

Sure he led the league in ERA. That's easier to do with less innings. Josh Hamilton still won the MVP award missing a month (which is probably what JJ missed in 2010, right?), so I guess that brings a bit of hope. But usually when people are talking about CYA, innings with a similar ERA trump slightly better ERA with only 3/4ths the innings.

Well, I'll take my ace over yours any day. Mine's younger and a Cy Young Award winner. And over the course of the season if he allows more runs per 9 innings pitched, it won't be by one or two runs. It'll be by, like .2 or something.

So yeah. Just saying maybe you should wait to see if he can complete some games before drooling over 5 inning no-hitters. Hell, I like Josh Johnson and I'd love to see him as our #2 so I'm not one of the "haters" you mentioned.

LuckyNumber7 · 05-03-2011, 05:01 PM

Again, the notion of not being able to finish a game is absurd. It's not as though he breaks down and loses all of his dominance in the 7th inning so they have to pull him... the only issue is keeping pitch count low so he doesn't throw his arm out. If you'd like to tie the two together, that's fine. I however feel that they're two separate things.

Also, Johnson missed about four or five starts. So he was shut down with about three weeks left in the season.

You can take your ace over mine any day (it sounds like you're from Seattle?). I'll take mine

And yeah, they were 6 and 7 inning no hitters, relax.

the tourist · 05-03-2011, 05:15 PM

Yep. I'm a Seattlite. I've probably just been blessed with seeing two of the most dominating pitchers of their respective eras of the last twenty years. So I find it easier to pick apart pitching, I guess.

LuckyNumber7 · 05-03-2011, 05:43 PM

We've been blessed here in South Florida with World Series and no hitters... JJ is hands down the most dominant pitcher that the Marlins have seen since John Smoltz committed highway robbery of Kevin Brown's 1996 Cy Young award.

GirlsAloudFan · 05-03-2011, 09:03 PM

I might kill a human if Liriano pulls this off.

And it might be somebody in this thread.

There is a standout candidate for it.

Hewson · 05-03-2011, 09:09 PM

I'll help you GAF...so Liriano has a no hitter thru 8 innings.

05-01-2011, 09:39 PM	#441
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,916 Local Time: 12:10 PM	So apparently Ichiro felt bad for the Sox. Because he did just about the worst thing you can do with a ball lost in the sun and didn't get in front of it. __________________

05-01-2011, 10:17 PM	#442
DRay9911 Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 8,308 Local Time: 12:10 PM	someone posted on tbl that everyone at citizens were chanting USA-USA-USA when the bin laden news spread. if that happened, that's awesome __________________

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Hewson Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Your own private Idaho Posts: 32,722 Local Time: 03:10 PM	I'll help you GAF...so Liriano has a no hitter thru 8 innings. __________________

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05-02-2011, 09:46 AM	#444
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,560 Local Time: 03:10 PM	nothing brings mets and phillies fans together like a bullet to the head.

05-02-2011, 08:12 PM	#445
gump ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,044 Local Time: 03:10 PM	Verlander is pretty fantastic even when he doesn't have good command. 100 mph in his 127th pitch of the night? Impressive.

05-02-2011, 09:11 PM	#446
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,903 Local Time: 03:10 PM	Stanton with a nosebleeder! Upper decks What an awful pitching matchup.

05-02-2011, 09:25 PM	#447
gump ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,044 Local Time: 03:10 PM	Watching Valverde and his histrionics make me appreciate Mariano even more.

05-02-2011, 10:40 PM	#448
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,903 Local Time: 03:10 PM	My love for Josh Johnson continues. Lowest hits through 40 innings since 1900.

05-03-2011, 02:29 AM	#449
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,916 Local Time: 12:10 PM	I wonder when he'll throw a shutout.

05-03-2011, 12:48 PM	#450
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,903 Local Time: 03:10 PM	That's really been his only issue this year. Keeping the pitch count lower. He's been going into the 7th and 8th innings already over 100 every time.

05-03-2011, 02:59 PM	#452
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,903 Local Time: 03:10 PM	He doesn't have trouble finishing games at all. Well, unless you expect a pitcher to actually go all 9 innings on a regular occasion. He often finishes games through 7, which is completely ideal allowing the 8th inning setup and the 9th inning closer. And when not in a save situation, another combination. I just have a hard time as viewing that as an issue worth addressing. He pitches like this the entire season (granted the ERA will go up eventually) and he's a near shoo-in for the Cy Young. Even with 0 CG.

05-03-2011, 03:06 PM	#453
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,916 Local Time: 12:10 PM	Well, yeah, but regression will happen. If his numbers are comparable to someone else, but that other pitcher has 8 complete games and JJ has 0, JJ doesn't stand a chance in hell. And also, I'll take my ace over a setup man and closer in the 8th and 9th any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

05-03-2011, 03:16 PM	#454
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,903 Local Time: 03:10 PM	It's not regression, it's correction. He's clearly pitching at a highly dominant level at the moment. Nobody would ever finish the season with the numbers he's at. Nobody matched him last year, and had he not been shut down early people would've looked a bit more at him for the Cy Young, complete games or not. He led the league in ERA. And that's ridiculous. You'd rather have a guy who's going to finish the game maybe four or five more times than Johnson but allow about one to two more runs every game. If you have an even remotely decent setup/closer unit, they wont equate to a run to two runs per two innings.

05-03-2011, 04:05 PM	#455
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,916 Local Time: 12:10 PM	Yeah, he's pitching like Randy Johnson did with the Astros in '98. Except without being able to finish the games. Sure he led the league in ERA. That's easier to do with less innings. Josh Hamilton still won the MVP award missing a month (which is probably what JJ missed in 2010, right?), so I guess that brings a bit of hope. But usually when people are talking about CYA, innings with a similar ERA trump slightly better ERA with only 3/4ths the innings. Well, I'll take my ace over yours any day. Mine's younger and a Cy Young Award winner. And over the course of the season if he allows more runs per 9 innings pitched, it won't be by one or two runs. It'll be by, like .2 or something. So yeah. Just saying maybe you should wait to see if he can complete some games before drooling over 5 inning no-hitters. Hell, I like Josh Johnson and I'd love to see him as our #2 so I'm not one of the "haters" you mentioned.

05-03-2011, 05:01 PM	#456
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,903 Local Time: 03:10 PM	Again, the notion of not being able to finish a game is absurd. It's not as though he breaks down and loses all of his dominance in the 7th inning so they have to pull him... the only issue is keeping pitch count low so he doesn't throw his arm out. If you'd like to tie the two together, that's fine. I however feel that they're two separate things. Also, Johnson missed about four or five starts. So he was shut down with about three weeks left in the season. You can take your ace over mine any day (it sounds like you're from Seattle?). I'll take mine And yeah, they were 6 and 7 inning no hitters, relax.

05-03-2011, 05:15 PM	#457
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,916 Local Time: 12:10 PM	Yep. I'm a Seattlite. I've probably just been blessed with seeing two of the most dominating pitchers of their respective eras of the last twenty years. So I find it easier to pick apart pitching, I guess.

05-03-2011, 05:43 PM	#458
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,903 Local Time: 03:10 PM	We've been blessed here in South Florida with World Series and no hitters... JJ is hands down the most dominant pitcher that the Marlins have seen since John Smoltz committed highway robbery of Kevin Brown's 1996 Cy Young award.

05-03-2011, 09:03 PM	#459
GirlsAloudFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 26,430 Local Time: 02:10 PM	I might kill a human if Liriano pulls this off. And it might be somebody in this thread. There is a standout candidate for it.