2010-2011 NBA Thread Take 2 - Page 15

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-09-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CTU2fan

The thing is, he should be able to post up against any 3 guarding him, and beat any 4 who tries off the dribble (or make the pass to Bosh since it's probably his man guarding Lebron). But he never does it...I'm not sure if he can't, or doesn't want to, or isn't willing to work on some post moves.

i think it's a combo of all of that... i don't think lebron is really comfortable being physical. you can't post up if you're not willing to be physical and get hit.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-09-2011, 02:25 PM

You can say the same applies to Chris Bosh (on a lesser extent). Note that 33% of his attempts last season were jump shots and something like 50% this season are.

iron yuppie · 03-09-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

i think it's a combo of all of that... i don't think lebron is really comfortable being physical. you can't post up if you're not willing to be physical and get hit.

He posted quite effectively for a while last season, and he did not seem to mind the contact. I think that he just sees it as less glamorous than driving or launching a three while the shot clock dwindles.

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-09-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

You can say the same applies to Chris Bosh (on a lesser extent). Note that 33% of his attempts last season were jump shots and something like 50% this season are.

Yea i'm thinking that & has a tad bit more to do with the offense they run then with bosh... and I hate defending bosh.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-09-2011, 03:03 PM

Whether it's Bosh doing it to himself or Spoelstra doing it to Bosh, it's not utilizing his tools and it's made him rather useless on the court at points.

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-09-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by iron yuppie

He posted quite effectively for a while last season, and he did not seem to mind the contact. I think that he just sees it as less glamorous than driving or launching a three while the shot clock dwindles.

You saw him more than I did, but I can't remember him posting with any sort of regularity in the playoffs last year.

I honest to god believe that lebron knows very little about the finer points of the game. I also believe that he doesn't think they're that important, cause damn look how great he is!

His ego needs a sniper shot.

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-09-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Whether it's Bosh doing it to himself or Spoelstra doing it to Bosh, it's not utilizing his tools and it's made him rather useless on the court at points.

I don't think anyone is arguing bosh's uselessness. Only the why.

CTU2fan · 03-09-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

You saw him more than I did, but I can't remember him posting with any sort of regularity in the playoffs last year.

I honest to god believe that lebron knows very little about the finer points of the game. I also believe that he doesn't think they're that important, cause damn look how great he is!

His ego needs a sniper shot.

I love ripping the guy as much as anybody, but I think a lot of it is him being used to dominating at every level doing it his way. Even at the NBA level he's able to be incredibly successful as an individual player...it's hard to convince a guy like that (not to mention his well-documented ginormous ego) that he needs to do more/different things.

About posting up, yea I agree it's all of those things. Not sure about Bosh though...and then you take a guy like KG, who also really doesn't do much work out of the post. Everybody seems to want Garnett to post guys up, but he likes taking those midrange jumpers. With him it might be all the energy he expends defending. I don't think he minds contact.

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-09-2011, 03:38 PM

I agree with you on lebron.

As for bosh... look, Amar'e never ever posts up on the block. But d'antoni puts him in position to score. Doc puts KG in position to score. Bosh doesn't get put into spots where he's comfortable.

iron yuppie · 03-09-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

You saw him more than I did, but I can't remember him posting with any sort of regularity in the playoffs last year.

I honest to god believe that lebron knows very little about the finer points of the game. I also believe that he doesn't think they're that important, cause damn look how great he is!

It's true that he did not post at all during the playoffs. There was a stretch in the regular season in which Cleveland had injuries to their bigs, so he moved to the four for a while. His moves there were pretty rudimentary - he just out-muscled the defender and then took a short hook shot - but they were effective nonetheless.

He has claimed recently that he has been working seriously on a post game; then again, he also claimed throughout his stay in Cleveland that he was working on his mid-range jumper, and that never really improved.

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-09-2011, 05:23 PM

Gotcha... sounds similar to his post attempts now. They look silly.

gump · 03-09-2011, 09:27 PM

Carmelo Anthony, the anti-Lebron.

It shouldn't have come to that, though. Bad, bad 4th quarter by the Knicks.

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-10-2011, 05:53 AM

Letting up against a team like Memphis when you think you have the game on lock isn't good, but you can sort of understand it, even see it coming. Tonigh is a much different story. I'm very interested to see how this team will do against true title contenders, especially on the road. They had that orlando game but blew it down the stretch.

As for melo? Hey... that's what he does. He makes shots. Much like paul pierce in that his scoring ability is based on actual basketball skill, not just being bigger, stronger and faster than everybody. I love it.

CTU2fan · 03-10-2011, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gump

Carmelo Anthony, the anti-Lebron.

It shouldn't have come to that, though. Bad, bad 4th quarter by the Knicks.

I caught some stat on the worldwide leader this morning, I think it was shots in the last 24 seconds, either tied, down 1, or down 2...Melo is something like 21 out of 44 in those situations and is the active leader. Pretty impressive. League average is 30% or so and he's close to 50%.

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-10-2011, 08:39 PM

I hate wearing the wrong color jerseys at home.

lazarus · 03-10-2011, 08:48 PM

What the fuck?

Now this team decides to have a big finish?

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-10-2011, 09:08 PM

The heat! They're back! In pog form!

Headache in a Suitcase · 03-10-2011, 09:22 PM

Knicks look very lethargic. I feel very lethargic

gump · 03-10-2011, 09:32 PM

For some reason I heard Clyde's voice while reading this.

LuckyNumber7 · 03-10-2011, 11:10 PM

We didn't blow it this time!

Good news everyone. The Heat can beat... the Lakers.

Now if we can just pretend the first three rounds in the playoffs mean nothing... championships all the way!

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:05 PM	You can say the same applies to Chris Bosh (on a lesser extent). Note that 33% of his attempts last season were jump shots and something like 50% this season are. __________________

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LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:05 PM	We didn't blow it this time! Good news everyone. The Heat can beat... the Lakers. Now if we can just pretend the first three rounds in the playoffs mean nothing... championships all the way! __________________

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03-09-2011, 03:03 PM	#285
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,914 Local Time: 11:05 PM	Whether it's Bosh doing it to himself or Spoelstra doing it to Bosh, it's not utilizing his tools and it's made him rather useless on the court at points.

03-09-2011, 03:38 PM	#289
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,607 Local Time: 11:05 PM	I agree with you on lebron. As for bosh... look, Amar'e never ever posts up on the block. But d'antoni puts him in position to score. Doc puts KG in position to score. Bosh doesn't get put into spots where he's comfortable.

03-09-2011, 05:23 PM	#291
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,607 Local Time: 11:05 PM	Gotcha... sounds similar to his post attempts now. They look silly.

03-09-2011, 09:27 PM	#292
gump ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,049 Local Time: 11:05 PM	Carmelo Anthony, the anti-Lebron. It shouldn't have come to that, though. Bad, bad 4th quarter by the Knicks.

03-10-2011, 05:53 AM	#293
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,607 Local Time: 11:05 PM	Letting up against a team like Memphis when you think you have the game on lock isn't good, but you can sort of understand it, even see it coming. Tonigh is a much different story. I'm very interested to see how this team will do against true title contenders, especially on the road. They had that orlando game but blew it down the stretch. As for melo? Hey... that's what he does. He makes shots. Much like paul pierce in that his scoring ability is based on actual basketball skill, not just being bigger, stronger and faster than everybody. I love it.

03-10-2011, 08:39 PM	#295
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,607 Local Time: 11:05 PM	I hate wearing the wrong color jerseys at home.

03-10-2011, 08:48 PM	#296
lazarus Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 41,672 Local Time: 08:05 PM	What the fuck? Now this team decides to have a big finish?

03-10-2011, 09:08 PM	#297
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,607 Local Time: 11:05 PM	The heat! They're back! In pog form!

03-10-2011, 09:22 PM	#298
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,607 Local Time: 11:05 PM	Knicks look very lethargic. I feel very lethargic

03-10-2011, 09:32 PM	#299
gump ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 10,049 Local Time: 11:05 PM	For some reason I heard Clyde's voice while reading this.