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Old 06-09-2019, 09:12 AM   #341
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I think the most disappointing thing is Lazarus refusing to show any sort of empathy or humanity in order to keep up the facade on this forum. I thought my posts were pretty solid and level-headed, but a bloke I've met in real life and really enjoy hanging out with has to continue to pot me for being some pathetic fan. I expected more than that, but sure, go off about how I'm responsible for dragging the band into the abyss.
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I think we all know that axver is responsible for that
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Old 06-09-2019, 03:24 PM   #348
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would prefer a greatest hits tour to hearing SOI and SOE material. That's what "giving up" is.
You fail to factor quality into the equation. If U2 had new songs that were good, that's what I would want to hear. But they aren't playing new good songs, so I don't care if they tour greatest hits stuff. Pretty simple.
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I didn't care much for the direction they took on ATYCLB, and I prefer almost every song from the previous 3 albums to everything on it.

Would I have preferred they did a 90s or 80s retrospective instead of the Elevation tour? No.

So, anyone is free to not care for their recent material. But if you don't think the band should continue to favor that stuff when they tour, for better or worse, you've become the enemy of their progression. Some people didn't care for No Line, but liked the last two better. Or didn't like The Bomb but loved NLOTH. One has to hold out hope that there is something appealing in the future, or why bother calling yourself an active fan?

I get it, this is something that happens to most people. They start to want the artists they love entombed and frozen at a point when it was at its best. I just thought that the people on this forum understood what set U2 apart and wanted to stand by that ethos.
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That's not what I want, I just don't want to listen to songs I don't enjoy. And the big issue is that they don't write many songs I enjoy anymore, not that they toured The Joshua Tree.
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I didn't care much for the direction they took on ATYCLB, and I prefer almost every song from the previous 3 albums to everything on it.

Would I have preferred they did a 90s or 80s retrospective instead of the Elevation tour? No.

So, anyone is free to not care for their recent material. But if you don't think the band should continue to favor that stuff when they tour, for better or worse, you've become the enemy of their progression. Some people didn't care for No Line, but liked the last two better. Or didn't like The Bomb but loved NLOTH. One has to hold out hope that there is something appealing in the future, or why bother calling yourself an active fan?

I get it, this is something that happens to most people. They start to want the artists they love entombed and frozen at a point when it was at its best. I just thought that the people on this forum understood what set U2 apart and wanted to stand by that ethos.
You are missing the point by light years.

We know that they're going to take 4-5 years to create a new album.

Would you rather just wait 4-5 years and have them do nothing, or would you rather they stay active during that time?

What is wrong with them continuing to be active in between album cycles? Why is this a bad thing? Especially considering as these fuckers are old and have almost died like a dozen times over the past 5 years. Exactly what part of still being able to enjoy and celebrate the band between album cycles is a bad thing?
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I think Laz's privilege is starting to show as he lives in a part of the world where U2 goes to every tour cycle and can't even fathom why someone would want to watch their all-time favourite band – whether they're playing new material or not – when they decide to finally have a handful of shows in their home country.
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I love this debate. I actually agree with points on both sides of the fence. I don’t think there can be a conclusion as it’s really subjective.

I love seeing U2 live more than anything else. I also prefer U2 roll out new material and tour it, over “celebrating” an old album.

If it was any other band I love, I wouldn’t mind seeing them roll out a previous tour or celebrating a great older album. But, no other band I love is in such historical standing as U2.

U2’s trajectory and intent has been different from day 1. I fully appreciate that, and hope they protect that and bolster it as much as possible.

What can really damage the legacy is hard to tell because markers change. In the 80’s and 90’s you were a sellout if you had any corporate ties going on. Now nobody gives a shit because you can’t avoid it. When it’s all said and done nobody’s gonna be thinking about “sponsored by BlackBerry” or “sponsored by Salesforce”.

When JT30 was announced, I cringed at the idea. Not because I didn’t want to see the album played live, but because part of the band’s DNA was to never look back. Now, two years later I don’t feel it affects the legacy much overall. But, it should be a one and done. Back to the new music.

U2 is way more than four guys who make music. The music is really only a percentage of what makes them massive.

When they start doing shit like everyone else and associating themselves with them is where they’d get into trouble with watering down legacy. JT30 was fine, It’s not like they did one of those Poison, Def Leppard, Extreme summer amphitheater tour’s.

They’re polarizing. People love them or hate them. They need to keep it that way.
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Who out there is having their opinion on U2 swayed by an Australian tour of The Joshua Tree?
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You are missing the point by light years.

We know that they're going to take 4-5 years to create a new album.

Would you rather just wait 4-5 years and have them do nothing, or would you rather they stay active during that time?

What is wrong with them continuing to be active in between album cycles? Why is this a bad thing? Especially considering as these fuckers are old and have almost died like a dozen times over the past 5 years. Exactly what part of still being able to enjoy and celebrate the band between album cycles is a bad thing?
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I think Laz's privilege is starting to show as he lives in a part of the world where U2 goes to every tour cycle and can't even fathom why someone would want to watch their all-time favourite band – whether they're playing new material or not – when they decide to finally have a handful of shows in their home country.
Is it that hard to stick to the point of contention and not drag non-existent positions into it? I’ve said multiple times that I don’t begrudge the band for touring Oceania and Asia, or for fans in those areas to want to see them play. I’m merely debating the choice of what material the band has opted to tour, and the response by the fans here. It would be perfectly reasonable to continue some incarnation their most recent tour, which just ended less than a year ago and is still part of this “cycle”. No one is asking them to pack it up for 5 years.

It’s particularly baffling in the case of Cobbler, who didn’t even get to see SOI or SOE, and yet would rather sit through the JT album show for a third time than having a different audio-visual experience. Who gives a shit if the most recent songs aren’t as good as the ones on JT? I just want to hear a band trying to do something that at least they feel is fresh, that is giving them “a reason” to continue. And of course, combining highlights from SOI and SOE would be a show different from what the most of us got to see.

The more loyal response would be “I’m buying tickets anyway because of how rare an opportunity it is to see them here, but I’d rather they do something more current than a reheated anniversary tour from 2 years ago”.
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Is it that hard to understand that my opinion has fuck to do with Australia?
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Is it that hard to fathom that maybe the band has an arena show and a stadium show and they chose the stadium show to service more fans in Australia who get to see them less? Knowing fine well it likely could be the last time they’ll be out there.
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Is it that hard to understand that my opinion has fuck to do with Australia?
You posited an either/or of them not doing anything until the next album, or keeping active, and then are chastising me for apparently preferring the former, when I made it clear I had no issue with them continuing i+e/e+i to other countries.

So you are most certainly arguing against some position I never took.

Let me know if I need to repeat myself more times before you get it.
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It is either/or. Either they did an arena show on e+i or they did TJT as a stadium tour. Or they did nothing.
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