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**Diemen** · 07-12-2016, 06:33 PM

You're on quite the Prince gif roll lately.

Hewson · 07-12-2016, 06:57 PM

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It's a shame nothing ever came of the rumors of a more ambient-influenced Songs of Ascent.

They're still working on it.

nielsgov · 07-12-2016, 08:28 PM

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I would love to have seen U2 take the mood and atmosphere from Cedars of Lebanon and Soon and play with that for an album. It's a shame nothing ever came of the rumors of a more ambient-influenced Songs of Ascent.

Indeed. Those two tracks, along with NLOTH, MOS and Fez capture the sound they were originally going for. Five more songs like that and it would be in my top 5.

Cedars has always been underrated IMO. I think Bono paints a haunting picture and the arrangement fits perfectly. Some nice understated guitar work by Edge and also some cool samples. It's a song in the spirit of Pop.

cobl04 · 07-12-2016, 08:48 PM

Agree on most points... I too much prefer NLOTH over SoI because whilst they did shit the bed at least we ended up with a few songs that showed the promise. SoI is absolutely my least favourite U2 album, and sure it's more consistent and less bumpy but aside from The Troubles and Sleep it is generic and bland as hell.

And on its lyrics not becoming memes... they absolutely would have if it was released in 2010. The Miracle is up there with Bono's very worst.

Back to NLOTH, I maintain that Magnificent is its worst song, SUC aside. Crazy Tonight might be pure sugar, but they pull it off joyously. Boots has a nice energy and was great live. Magnificent - and I know many disagree with me - is U2 at their most uninspired and insipid. Unknown Caller has some nice music but the lyrics are so bad that I can't listen to it.

cobl04 · 07-12-2016, 08:50 PM

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Indeed. Those two tracks, along with NLOTH, MOS and Fez capture the sound they were originally going for. Five more songs like that and it would be in my top 5.

Cedars has always been underrated IMO. I think Bono paints a haunting picture and the arrangement fits perfectly. Some nice understated guitar work by Edge and also some cool samples. It's a song in the spirit of Pop.

Cedars I would almost rate as the best song on the album. I'd happily consider it their best song since the turn of the century. It is literally exactly the type of music I wish they were making.

And that's what frustrates me so much. I think if they weren't so anxious that we would probably have two or three albums full of really good songs. They just wouldn't chart. And we'd have a hugely interesting and very well-respected band.

nielsgov · 07-12-2016, 08:52 PM

The lyrics in the verses are actually pretty good. And some in the chorus aren't absolutely awful either. I listened to the song yesterday and there are basically three awful lines: force quit and move to trash, restart and reboot yourself and password, you, enter here. They could be Bono's worst lyrics. But I can still ignore them and enjoy the song.

LemonMelon · 07-12-2016, 08:55 PM

I'll throw out an unpopular opinion: Crazy Tonight would be a perfectly OK song if it weren't for that falsetto Bono attempts in the verses.

What in the fuck was he thinking with that?

cobl04 · 07-12-2016, 09:03 PM

The verses are quite shit. But I absolutely adore the chorus.

The live version was fucking wicked.

**Diemen** · 07-12-2016, 09:18 PM

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Cedars I would almost rate as the best song on the album. I'd happily consider it their best song since the turn of the century. It is literally exactly the type of music I wish they were making.

And that's what frustrates me so much. I think if they weren't so anxious that we would probably have two or three albums full of really good songs. They just wouldn't chart. And we'd have a hugely interesting and very well-respected band.

Agreed on all counts. Cedars is damn near perfect as far as I'm concerned. And though I'd love to see U2 head into the studio to record an album without any regard to charts or touring the material, they're just not (and never have been) that kind of band. Unfortunately. The one time they might have gone there and opened up U2's horizons they got cold feet and put it out under a different band name.

Maybe they should do that again... Passengers Vol. 2?

**Diemen** · 07-12-2016, 09:20 PM

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I'll throw out an unpopular opinion: Crazy Tonight would be a perfectly OK song if it weren't for that falsetto Bono attempts in the verses.

What in the fuck was he thinking with that?

He was going crazy that night.

cobl04 · 07-12-2016, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Diemen

Agreed on all counts. Though I'd love to see U2 head into the studio to record an album without any regard to charts or touring the material, they're just not (and never have been) that kind of band. Unfortunately. The one time they might have gone there and opened up U2's horizons they got cold feet and put it out under a different band name.

Maybe they should do that again... Passengers Vol. 2?

LemonMelon · 07-12-2016, 09:25 PM

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Maybe they should do that again... Passengers Vol. 2?

But...

Would it qualify as a U2 album?

BVS · 07-12-2016, 09:25 PM

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And on its lyrics not becoming memes... they absolutely would have if it was released in 2010. The Miracle is up there with Bono's very worst.

How would 2010 have made a difference?

Miracle is actually far above their other attempts at the straight forward pop rock singles like Elevation, Boots, or Vertigo.

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**Diemen** · 07-12-2016, 09:28 PM

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But...

Would it qualify as a U2 album?

We should ask this in EYKIW. I'm sure it would be discussed rationally and politely.

corianderstem · 07-12-2016, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Diemen

You're on quite the Prince gif roll lately.

cobl04 · 07-12-2016, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

How would 2010 have made a difference?

Miracle is actually far above their other attempts at the straight forward pop rock singles like Elevation, Boots, or Vertigo.

Because the forum was more active and many of our long-time posters were yet to leave.

You say that as if it's factual. "I woke up at the moment when the miracle occurred" is, in my opinion, the worst lyric he's ever written. It's like a emergency services PR spokesperson was asked to write it. It barely makes sense, it's so clunky.

I won't argue about Boots, but Elevation and Vertigo are both a million times better. They're just straight-forward, dumb, accessible, three-and-a-half-minute rock songs without any pretension.

BVS · 07-12-2016, 10:36 PM

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Because the forum was more active and many of our long-time posters were yet to leave.

I didn't realize you were talking about in interference specifically.

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Originally Posted by cobl04

You say that as if it's factual. "I woke up at the moment when the miracle occurred" is, in my opinion, the worst lyric he's ever written. It's like a emergency services PR spokesperson was asked to write it. It barely makes sense, it's so clunky.

I won't argue about Boots, but Elevation and Vertigo are both a million times better. They're just straight-forward, dumb, accessible, three-and-a-half-minute rock songs without any pretension.

That line has never bothered me. Makes perfect sense to me, not exactly well phrased but it's no "mole diggin up a hole", "intellectual tortoise", or as bad as some of the clunkers on Pop.

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**Diemen** · 07-12-2016, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cobl04

Because the forum was more active and many of our long-time posters were yet to leave.

You say that as if it's factual. "I woke up at the moment when the miracle occurred" is, in my opinion, the worst lyric he's ever written.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

Force quit and move to trash

Come on ye people, stand up and sit down for your love

Where is the love, love and peace?

The air is heavy, heavy as a truck

LemonMelon · 07-12-2016, 10:39 PM

I can't think of a Pop lyric I like less than that line from The Miracle.

BVS · 07-12-2016, 10:40 PM

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I can't think of a Pop lyric I like less than that line from The Miracle.

I can think of an entire song.

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07-12-2016, 08:48 PM	#184
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 58,494 Local Time: 04:14 PM	Agree on most points... I too much prefer NLOTH over SoI because whilst they did shit the bed at least we ended up with a few songs that showed the promise. SoI is absolutely my least favourite U2 album, and sure it's more consistent and less bumpy but aside from The Troubles and Sleep it is generic and bland as hell. And on its lyrics not becoming memes... they absolutely would have if it was released in 2010. The Miracle is up there with Bono's very worst. Back to NLOTH, I maintain that Magnificent is its worst song, SUC aside. Crazy Tonight might be pure sugar, but they pull it off joyously. Boots has a nice energy and was great live. Magnificent - and I know many disagree with me - is U2 at their most uninspired and insipid. Unknown Caller has some nice music but the lyrics are so bad that I can't listen to it.

07-12-2016, 08:52 PM	#186
nielsgov Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 8,740 Local Time: 08:14 AM	The lyrics in the verses are actually pretty good. And some in the chorus aren't absolutely awful either. I listened to the song yesterday and there are basically three awful lines: force quit and move to trash, restart and reboot yourself and password, you, enter here. They could be Bono's worst lyrics. But I can still ignore them and enjoy the song.

07-12-2016, 08:55 PM	#187
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,642 Local Time: 11:14 PM	I'll throw out an unpopular opinion: Crazy Tonight would be a perfectly OK song if it weren't for that falsetto Bono attempts in the verses. What in the fuck was he thinking with that?

07-12-2016, 09:03 PM	#188
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 58,494 Local Time: 04:14 PM	The verses are quite shit. But I absolutely adore the chorus. The live version was fucking wicked.

07-12-2016, 10:39 PM	#199
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,642 Local Time: 11:14 PM	I can't think of a Pop lyric I like less than that line from The Miracle.