Random Music Talk CXXVIII: Cobbler's 42 Hat Sucks

[iron yuppie]

VMP is trying to keep you as a customer, Cobbler.

https://www.vinylmeplease.com/produc...nia-essentials

[cobl04]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-...hannel=zbencz2

[gump]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

VMP is trying to keep you as a customer, Cobbler.

https://www.vinylmeplease.com/produc...nia-essentials

I had the same thought.

The Billie Holiday album for December looks nice too.

[iron yuppie]

Did they announce through the end of the year? I only saw October.

[LemonMelon]

Even though I've never really been a fan of theirs, I actually think the new Deftones is my favorite album of the weekend so far, even over Sufjan. While it probably sounds like I'm throwing shade at Sufjan, I'm really not; Ohms is just that good. There have been a bunch of great rock records this year and that one is up there with the best of them.

92 metascore out of 8 reviews.

[bono_212]

Speaking of RAWK, as I continue to try to catch up on what all I've missed this year, this is a dope little record:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT-vFErk3R0

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Speaking of RAWK, as I continue to try to catch up on what all I've missed this year, this is a dope little record:

I like how at the 2:00 minute mark the video switches to a brief clip of zoney! trying to negotiate his way onto DaveC's couch.

[Axver]

So bored of all these debates about Top X albums of all time where the whole discussion of the lyrical relevance focuses on how it speaks to contemporary concerns in American politics. Give me a break. If you're going to claim an album is top X of all time, try a bit harder to suggest why someone in Whangamōmona or Ngāruawāhia should give a shit. Otherwise you're just writing a list of 500 albums Yanks might want to hear.

Originally Posted by bono_212

Speaking of RAWK, as I continue to try to catch up on what all I've missed this year, this is a dope little record:

Yeah, this album is pretty good.

If anyone cares for my metal and otherwise heavy recs for this year:
- Ainsoph: Ω-V
- Drown: Subaqueous
- Frayle: 1692
- Hum: Inlet
- Phoxjaw: Royal Swan
- Sleepmakeswaves: the 3 EPs or the compilation, whatever you want
- Stay Inside: Viewing
- Vile Creature: Glory! Glory! Apathy Took Helm!

Emma Ruth Rundle and Thou have released two singles that suggest their collaborative album will be an AOTY candidate.

Aleah's self-titled posthumous release is folk, not metal, but she was a metal musician and "The Tower" is so, so good.

Also, it's from 2014, but holy fuck Anilah's album The Warrior is so good. Metal, ritual ambient, post-rock, all that stuff bundled together. Get on it.

Oh yeah, Palehorse/Palerider put out a single last year, "Fire Gone Out", that I really ought to have been spinning on repeat sooner. It's ace.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Axver

Whangamōmona or Ngāruawāhia .

You really shouldn't drink and post, you end up typing nonsense words.

[gump]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

Did they announce through the end of the year? I only saw October.

They did, for all tracks. Erykah Badu in November and Lady Sings the Blues in December.

https://magazine.vinylmeplease.com/m...e-holiday-vmp/

My favorite Billie is Songs for Distingué Lovers but this is a good pick too, from the same year.

[lazarus]

The Vinyl Thread

[gump]

Gotta make sure that the 3 posts that this forum gets per day go to the right thread, lest people be confused.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Axver

So bored of all these debates about Top X albums of all time where the whole discussion of the lyrical relevance focuses on how it speaks to contemporary concerns in American politics. Give me a break. If you're going to claim an album is top X of all time, try a bit harder to suggest why someone in Whangamōmona or Ngāruawāhia should give a shit. Otherwise you're just writing a list of 500 albums Yanks might want to hear.

yeah, how crazy is it that an american music magazine would focus on america rather than publishing articles that speak to people in buttfuck-nowhere, new zealand.

[gump]

And clearly the inclusion of women and minorities is a US concern only.

[elevated_u2_fan]

Originally Posted by gump

Gotta make sure that the 3 posts that this forum gets per day go to the right thread, lest people be confused.

I think this calls for a four-page Coldplay discussion.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Hewson

I like how at the 2:00 minute mark the video switches to a brief clip of zoney! trying to negotiate his way onto DaveC's couch.

Hahahah holy shit. This is what happens when you trust these album cover videos people put up are just that. Wow.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Hewson

I like how at the 2:00 minute mark the video switches to a brief clip of zoney! trying to negotiate his way onto DaveC's couch.

i didn't see any clawed-out eyeballs so that must have been the very beginning of it.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by gump

And clearly the inclusion of women and minorities is a US concern only.

Yeah, but Axver was very specifically talking to the point that's been raised several times in this thread about albums that have their finger on the pulse of what's relevant to American politics right now is getting some records more esteem than they may be musically worth, so to that I think he's totally right.

If it's going to be an American list for Americans, why include anyone else? (To Dave's post, not yours).

Finally, one other thing I haven't mentioned that bothered me about this list, it bothers me about the Oscars, it bothers me about the Grammys and any other time we talk about the inclusion of minorities is that there are other minorities out there that are doing amazing things and get no credit. Until last year at the Oscars, it seemed like an impossibility to be of Asian descent and win an Oscar (let alone actually from FROM Asia, seriously, still can't get over Parasite destroying the awards last year).

I haven't done a demographics break down of the entire top 500 so maybe I'm totally wrong, but I didn't see a ton of Hispanic, SE Asian, African or South American music on this list, which is also extremely disappointing if we're really going to start getting into getting a fair breakdown of all music released.

>> OK I went through the entire list, by my (admittedly VERY quick) count there are:
Artists from Africa - 3
Hispanic (Spain included) - 7 (Puerto Rico - 1)
Jamaica - 3

So forget SE Asia, no one from the ENTIRE CONTINENT has ever released any good music, apparently. And unless I missed something, you can just go ahead and fuck yourselves, as well, South America, no matter how popular and amazing Brazilian music may be. And of course only ONE of the above albums was in the top 50.

Again, I hate going to this well because I feel like I'm on the wrong side of an argument about inclusion and I really fucking hate that because it's not what I'm saying at all. Again, I'm arguing that expanding the top 50 to be nearly 50%/50% white/black isn't fixing anything in the realms of minority representation and why I felt it was (to repeat the word I used, but understand the dislike for it) reactionary. It just feels like a lot of white people in a board room said, "There we go, now they'll be happy" patted themselves on the back and published the list.


God, I really must seem like I care a FUCK ton about this list, I swear I don't, I'm mostly talking about it just with you guys and then occasionally Travis and I will bring it up amongst ourselves.

[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by gump

They did, for all tracks. Erykah Badu in November and Lady Sings the Blues in December.

https://magazine.vinylmeplease.com/m...e-holiday-vmp/

My favorite Billie is Songs for Distingué Lovers but this is a good pick too, from the same year.

Thanks. Their jazz special editions have been among my favorites. Miles' Sorcerer from a few years back was a particular highlight.

[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Yeah, but Axver was very specifically talking to the point that's been raised several times in this thread about albums that have their finger on the pulse of what's relevant to American politics right now is getting some records more esteem than they may be musically worth, so to that I think he's totally right.

If it's going to be an American list for Americans, why include anyone else? (To Dave's post, not yours).

Finally, one other thing I haven't mentioned that bothered me about this list, it bothers me about the Oscars, it bothers me about the Grammys and any other time we talk about the inclusion of minorities is that there are other minorities out there that are doing amazing things and get no credit. Until last year at the Oscars, it seemed like an impossibility to be of Asian descent and win an Oscar (let alone actually from FROM Asia, seriously, still can't get over Parasite destroying the awards last year).

I haven't done a demographics break down of the entire top 500 so maybe I'm totally wrong, but I didn't see a ton of Hispanic, SE Asian, African or South American music on this list, which is also extremely disappointing if we're really going to start getting into getting a fair breakdown of all music released.

>> OK I went through the entire list, by my (admittedly VERY quick) count there are:
Artists from Africa - 3
Hispanic (Spain included) - 7 (Puerto Rico - 1)
Jamaica - 3

So forget SE Asia, no one from the ENTIRE CONTINENT has ever released any good music, apparently. And unless I missed something, you can just go ahead and fuck yourselves, as well, South America, no matter how popular and amazing Brazilian music may be. And of course only ONE of the above albums was in the top 50.

Again, I hate going to this well because I feel like I'm on the wrong side of an argument about inclusion and I really fucking hate that because it's not what I'm saying at all. Again, I'm arguing that expanding the top 50 to be nearly 50%/50% white/black isn't fixing anything in the realms of minority representation and why I felt it was (to repeat the word I used, but understand the dislike for it) reactionary. It just feels like a lot of white people in a board room said, "There we go, now they'll be happy" patted themselves on the back and published the list.


God, I really must seem like I care a FUCK ton about this list, I swear I don't, I'm mostly talking about it just with you guys and then occasionally Travis and I will bring it up amongst ourselves.

To all this, I think it is a legitimate question as to whether the black American experience can or should be used as representative of all POC-identifying people, as the Rolling Stone list seems to do either intentionally or unintentionally. I'm not pretending to know the answer to this.