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Old 04-08-2020, 09:45 PM   #261
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On Bobby D, who just got his first ever #1 in the US as I undertand, Nick Cave's opinion is perfect - https://www.theredhandfiles.com/bob-dylans-new-song/
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Venice Queen call made me play that song, which led into Californication cos that was up next in my iTunes, great band. Around the World is so good. but fuck me dead that "ding dong dang" bit is horrendous, and I worry that it's meant to be an imitation of Asian languages..?
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maybe, but anthony kiedis also puts gibberish into like half the songs he writes so i'm inclined to think it's that and not just an ignorant imitation.
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I've always thought it sounded like an imitation of an Asian language.
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yeah it totally sounds like what someone would do if they were making an ignorant or racist caricature, i'm not denying that. it's just that the lyrics around it have nothing at all to do with asia so it would be super weird to just insert an ignorant "generic asian voice" imitation there. he's known to just put nonsense that scans well or rhymes into his songs so maybe he just thought that sounded good, i dunno.

you guys could very well be right, this was still a few years before gwen stefani decided to blatantly appropriate japanese culture and everyone still bought her album, so it's possible there may not have been anyone around him to call that out if that's what he was going for. that doesn't excuse it if that's what it actually was, though.
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And if (big if) that's what he is doing, I don't get the impression from what I know of him (including my brief meeting with him, just had to toss that in) that he would do it as a consciously racist thing, possibly just thinking it was a way to try and sound like singing from another part of (Around the) world.
More likely you're right and its just silly Kiedis-speak, but the sound of it (much more so than seeing it written out) is like someone imitating an Asian person.
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I had never thought of it as anything but gibberish until i read this thread, although I can see where you're coming from. Fwiw, Kiedis still sings the ring ding dang part when they play it live today, which makes me think it was never his intent.

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"The different final chorus originates from a request from Flea's daughter. While writing the album in Flea's garage his daughter would listen to their songs. At the time of writing, Kiedis was struggling to come up with lyrics for the songs, so just filled in with scat. When a final draft of the album was made and Flea's daughter listened to the final version, she was disappointed that the scat had been removed. So, on the final version of the song in the last chorus, the original demo recording was used instead "
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the beatles broke up 50 years ago today.

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It's silly Kiedis-speak.

He does the same thing in Soul to Squeeze.
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It's silly Kiedis-speak.

He does the same thing in Soul to Squeeze.
Yes he does, but there it doesn't sound like an imitation of another language, sounds like gibberish or scatting or whatever term you want to use. In Around the World it has a sound like an Asian imitation due to his inflections and coupled with the song's title its easy for one's brain to go there. Mine definitely did the first time I heard it.
I'm sure its unintentional but no question it can give one that impression.

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Keidis definitely sounds like he's doing an Asian caricature at the end of Around the World.

It's beyond cringe.
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https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...years-ago-fans
Was playing them more these days. Top 20...only top 5 set in stone. First band i liked, and second only to U2, this was hard.

1. The Long and winding Road
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Keidis definitely sounds like he's doing an Asian caricature at the end of Around the World.

It's beyond cringe.
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Yes he does, but there it doesn't sound like an imitation of another language, sounds like gibberish or scatting or whatever term you want to use. In Around the World it has a sound like an Asian imitation due to his inflections and coupled with the song's title its easy for one's brain to go there. Mine definitely did the first time I heard it.
I'm sure its unintentional but no question it can give one that impression.

And good to see you on here, hope all is well with you and yours.
IMO you guys are reaching. I'm not particularly a fan of the moment in question, but it's Kiedis being a doofus, not Kiedis being a racist. In over 20 years of listening to that song, that thought has never crossed my mind.
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IMO you guys are reaching. I'm not particularly a fan of the moment in question, but it's Kiedis being a doofus, not Kiedis being a racist. In over 20 years of listening to that song, that thought has never crossed my mind.
I never said he was being a racist, in fact I said quite the opposite if you read everything I wrote on the subject.
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So it looks like we have Clara Balzary to thank for this mini controversy we have been discussing here :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around...i_Peppers_song)

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The different final chorus originates from a request from Flea's daughter. While writing the album in Flea's garage his daughter would listen to their songs. At the time of writing, Kiedis was struggling to come up with lyrics for the songs, so just filled in with scat. When a final draft of the album was made and Flea's daughter listened to the final version, she was disappointed that the scat had been removed. So, on the final version of the song in the last chorus, the original demo recording was used instead
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"The different final chorus originates from a request from Flea's daughter. While writing the album in Flea's garage his daughter would listen to their songs. At the time of writing, Kiedis was struggling to come up with lyrics for the songs, so just filled in with scat. When a final draft of the album was made and Flea's daughter listened to the final version, she was disappointed that the scat had been removed. So, on the final version of the song in the last chorus, the original demo recording was used instead "
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So it looks like we have Clara Balzary to thank for this mini controversy we have been discussing here :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around...i_Peppers_song)
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Sonofabitch.
He edited that in cause I saw his original post just before going to bed last night and it was just his first sentence. And of course today it took me to your Beatles post as the first new one so never even saw his additional info.

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Sonofabitch.
He edited that in cause I saw his original post just before going to bed last night and it was just his first sentence. And of course today it took me to your Beatles post as the first new one so never even saw his additional info.



Ha yeah sorry. I found that excerpt a few minutes after I first posted. You guys still got Hayward though
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