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Old 08-22-2021, 09:21 PM   #561
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I genuinely think that the number one thing I'm most upset about with regards to the pandemic is that it meant we missed out on seeing The National x Phoebe Bridgers last year. We had tickets to three shows, all within the first five rows of an intimate seated venue with max capacity of 2,896 (The National has been too big to play there for years, the last time I saw them there was High Violet). Those shows will never be rescheduled, partly because the time since IAETF has passed and Phoebe is way too big now.
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Really hope St Vincent/Spoon doesn't get canceled. A number of acts are postponing tours lately, which I get, but this show is outdoors with a full mask mandate. Make it happen.

I saw Caroline Polachek with Alex G as an opener a few weeks ago and it was an amazing, emotional night. Charli performed!



My spot was a lot closer than this, a couple people from the stage, but way off to the left so I could socially distance as much as possible.
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Hope y'all have fun with your upcoming concerts. I missed live music.

For now, I have a few things lined up for the next few months: Waxahatchee, The Weather Station, Cassandra Jenkins and possibly Japanese Breakfast. But these are all indoor shows, and unless things get better I will probably not feel comfortable to go. Even the outdoor show I went to made me a little anxious on the COVID front (just no mask compliance at all, although it was only for vaccinated people or people who tested negative). So I can't imagine being in a small, unventilated space right now. I'd be ok if I didn't have an unvaccinated child at home, but will be careful until things improve.
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Also: not feeling the new Kacey single, though I'm looking forward to her album. Very curious to see in what direction she will go.
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Recently listened to a podcast where she talked about the inspiration for the album/songs, working her way out of a dark period following her divorce she went on some hallucinogenic trips guided by a physician, and apparently it’s a bit of a concept album with a 3-act structure.

I’ve decided not to listen to anything in advance because I’d rather just hear the piece as a whole.
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Interesting. It makes sense, as the "single" did not really feel like a single at all. This makes me more excited for the album. I really enjoyed Golden Hour, so I have high hopes for the new one.
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What % of the US is vaccinated right now? Is that how you're measuring things? What's life like? The fact you can go to concerts makes me so jealous. My city of Melbourne just passed 200 days of strict, stage four lockdown
We're not measuring things by vaccination rate any longer because the vaccines are available to anyone who wants them. Everything is essentially being measured by case rates and hospitalizations, which means that we're using lagging indicators. It's less than ideal, but it's probably the reality for the US at this point. I don't think there's any political will to put a lockdown measure in place beyond mask mandates. The problem is that the people who would be willing to do that (governors in safe blue states) don't have the money or authority to do anything that would result in lockdowns actually changing anything, since there's freedom of movement between states and municipalities. They'd put a lockdown in place and then would have to lift it when ... nothing's changed? It's impossible. The cat is out of the bag here. But the Delta Variant is raging, we're probably where the UK was at its worst point. Some signs indicate it's probably going to drop off a cliff in the next couple of weeks and settle down before another surge in the winter. We'll see.

Most of the artists/venues are, at bare minimum, requiring proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test to enter venues, in addition to everyone having to wear masks. And now I'm seeing more artists/venues say that the negative test isn't enough, and that everyone must be vaccinated. And Phoebe Bridgers just re-did her tour itinerary to only play outdoor venues. I have been to one show so far (Japanese Breakfast/Mannequin Pussy) and actually felt comfortable and not anxious due to the precautions that were put in place.

My state (Pennsylvania) does not have a mask mandate at this time, but my city (Philadelphia) does for anything indoors.
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We're not measuring things by vaccination rate any longer because the vaccines are available to anyone who wants them. Everything is essentially being measured by case rates and hospitalizations, which means that we're using lagging indicators. It's less than ideal, but it's probably the reality for the US at this point. I don't think there's any political will to put a lockdown measure in place beyond mask mandates. The problem is that the people who would be willing to do that (governors in safe blue states) don't have the money or authority to do anything that would result in lockdowns actually changing anything, since there's freedom of movement between states and municipalities. They'd put a lockdown in place and then would have to lift it when ... nothing's changed? It's impossible. The cat is out of the bag here. But the Delta Variant is raging, we're probably where the UK was at its worst point. Some signs indicate it's probably going to drop off a cliff in the next couple of weeks and settle down before another surge in the winter. We'll see.

Most of the artists/venues are, at bare minimum, requiring proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test to enter venues, in addition to everyone having to wear masks. And now I'm seeing more artists/venues say that the negative test isn't enough, and that everyone must be vaccinated. And Phoebe Bridgers just re-did her tour itinerary to only play outdoor venues. I have been to one show so far (Japanese Breakfast/Mannequin Pussy) and actually felt comfortable and not anxious due to the precautions that were put in place.

My state (Pennsylvania) does not have a mask mandate at this time, but my city (Philadelphia) does for anything indoors.
Thanks Peef. Are sane Americans happy with how it is at present? That you largely have the freedom to live life as you please while high case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths linger in the background? I feel like that's quite typical of the US (ready to get reamed again here for this view) that every municipality can enforce its own rules, making any lockdown or restrictions other than a mask mandate futile.

I'd hate to wear a mask at a concert (and I assume all concerts are seated at the moment? Which I would also fucking hate) but I could live with it if it means I can go to concerts again (I managed to get to one earlier in the year).

Delta is raging in Sydney. Last year Melbourne/Victoria was the only city/state in Australia heavily impacted by COVID, we had up to 750 cases a day and at one point about 45 people were dying a day. We were in strict lockdown for some of autumn, pretty much all of winter and well into spring. Sydney/NSW has now eclipsed those figures due to Delta and their stubborn refusal to go into lockdown earlier (they're governed by the more conservative of our two major parties and they saw how much shit our slightly more left-wing govt copped for locking down for months). Unfortunately, it spread south, and so we're now at around 50 cases a day and we're back in strict lockdown, meaning we've now set the world record for the city with the most number of days in lockdown.

It fucking sucks so much, it's absolutely devastating. I work in high schools with teenage boys and the damage lockdown is doing to kids' socialisation, as well as pretty much everyone's mental health, is huge. I support lockdowns as one of the best measures to fight the spread but I wish there were more open conversations about the damage lockdowns are doing.

It's why I asked about how things are in the US. I am now prepared for our govt to start focusing on vaccinated population % as the metric for lockdowns vs case numbers, and we've been told that once we hit 80% restrictions on people who are vaccinated will lift and lockdowns won't be used. I am just seeking reassurance from other countries with high vaccination rates like the US that I'll be able to get back to living my life somewhat normally. I'm pretty sure I saw Laz go on holiday to Paris because he's vaccinated. What I'd give to be able to just fucking travel interstate. At the moment, we can't travel more than 5km from our homes and most businesses and venues are shut except for click-and-collect and takeaway.
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To PFan's point, it makes you wonder what the end game is for pandemic restrictions in the US. The political polarization here is such that a vaccine mandate will never happen, and with seemingly nothing that will incentivize holdouts to get vaccinated, it looks like an endless cycle of loosened restrictions followed by a new variant that brings the restrictions back.

And to Cobbler's point about our inability to enact effective national policy, I think it's obvious to any sensible person that Covid has made the problems with federalism patently obvious. The more responsible states and cities are basically reduced to begging in order to get people from other states to take things seriously. For example driving into Chicago there are enormous signs asking people to quarantine if they are arriving from a hot spot, but there is absolutely no way to enforce that.
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The end game is absolutely vaccine mandates. To think otherwise is silly. No shots no school no kidding. We’ve had other vaccines virtually mandated if not formally. This is no different.
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I'd argue this is significantly different given that every single aspect of the pandemic has been politicized since the moment it entered the country, and probably even before.
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Folks can only hide behind a difference in politics for so long. Conservative politicians eventually had to take their Ls on segregation, abortion, gay marriage, etc. It's time for them to roll up their sleeves and get their shots.
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Unfortunately, vaccine hesitancy and outright anti-vaccine aggression are so embedded and accepted now. I know a not insignificant number of people who are intelligent who won't get the vaccine, and there is absolutely no incentive that will convince them otherwise.
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Going back to greatest hits, I thought of two more excellent ones - Elvis #1 Hits and 40 Licks.
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Folks can only hide behind a difference in politics for so long. Conservative politicians eventually had to take their Ls on segregation, abortion, gay marriage, etc. It's time for them to roll up their sleeves and get their shots.


Oh the politicians have had their shots. Even boosters.
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I'd argue this is significantly different given that every single aspect of the pandemic has been politicized since the moment it entered the country, and probably even before.


But we are talking end games here. The end game is absolutely to get vaccine compliance, especially the longer we go on with non-complicating data from the vaccines.
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Oh the politicians have had their shots. Even boosters.
Absolutely. Should have specified that I meant the Republican constituents being used as political pawns.
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Going back to greatest hits, I thought of two more excellent ones - Elvis #1 Hits and 40 Licks.
Had that one in my list:

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Rolling Stones - Forty Licks - 2002 - I gather that not all hardcore Stones fans love this one, that they maybe see it the way some of us see The Best Of 1990-2000 - two many new songs, glaring omissions, etc. But I've always been a casual Stones fan, and this comp has every track I'd think of to listen to and is a great primer. The first disc especially is great.
And yeah, I thought of Elvis too, just didn't get to typing it out.
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