Pink Floyd Thread

[LemonMelon]

Originally Posted by cobl04

I like Lucifer Sam. That cat's got something I can't explaaaaaaaaaaiiiinnnn

That riff sounds like it belongs in the soundtrack of a Bond film

[cobl04]

Originally Posted by liamcool

In regards to vapid lyrics and Roger Waters, I present an example.

I thought Gilmour had a hand in that song. edit, according to wikipedia, he did. Whatever the case, one of the band's worst, if the not the very worst, songs.

[liamcool]

Good riff, though.

[bono_212]

I knew this much discussion in the Pink Floyd thread could only mean bad times for me.

[MrPryck2U]

Originally Posted by cobl04

I thought Gilmour had a hand in that song. edit, according to wikipedia, he did. Whatever the case, one of the band's worst, if the not the very worst, songs.

Really? Worst song?


I think its one of their best rockers. Of course I have fond memories from the movie when the groupies come in and blow security and the roadies for backstage passes. Good times!

[cobl04]

It's cock rock. They were above that. (And if it's "part of the story" that proves my point about the story taking precedence over the music)

Originally Posted by bono_212

I knew this much discussion in the Pink Floyd thread could only mean bad times for me.

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[LemonMelon]

Young Lust has an awesome riff and is a legitimate moment of fun/humor in The Wall. There are worse songs on that album, let alone the Gilmour-led albums.

[MrPryck2U]

Originally Posted by cobl04

It's cock rock. They were above that. (And if it's "part of the story" that proves my point about the story taking precedence over the music)

Well it is cock rock. No doubt. But, it is autobiographical too. Roger's mother did tell him at one point in his life that he needed a dirty woman. Obviously, The Wall is a concept/story album. And what good rock star doesn't get his swerve on with a groupie? The story didn't take precedence over the music. It worked in conjunction with it. Did I really need to tell you that?

[bono_212]

Wait...fuck...are you people now calling Young Lust PF's worst song?

[cobl04]

I am


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[bono_212]

Gonna go laugh myself into a fucking coma.

[LemonMelon]

75% of Ummagumma is worse

[lazarus]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

I'm sorry, I know opinions are opinions and all, but I can't imagine any scenario or interpretation where Momentary Lapse or Division Bell are superior to The Wall or The Final Cut. I know it's fashionable around here to shit on any Waters-centric albums, but Jesus Christ, MLoR and Division Bell are so vapid lyrically and unfocused musically to place them beneath any Floyd album but Ummagumma. Both of those would have been better served as instrumental albums a la The Endless River than anything else. I challenge anyone to sit down and simply read the lyrics to Division Bell in particular without wincing innumerable times.

And Atom Heart Mother better than The Wall? 2/3 of AHM's runtime is pure wankery. A guy actually reads the ingredients of his breakfast. It's amusing and shit but it's little more than a curio in the scope of their wider catalogue. That period between Saucerful and AHM had some serious growing pains for the band.

All of this.

And using Young Lust's lyrics (easily the worst on The Wall) to counter this is pretty weak. It may be my least favorite song (or second worst after Vera) on the album too, but I really enjoy almost everything on there a lot.

I can't believe multiple people have nominated Sorrow as best PF song. That's just madness.

The Division Bell isn't as embarrassing and dated as AMLOR (talk about an overuse of backup singers), but it's pretty lifeless and the tunes aren't as memorable.

[DaveC]

I cannot believe I'm reading honest claims that Young Lust is a worse song than Several Species..., Seamus/Mademoiselle Nobs or The Grand Vizier's Garden Party. How high are you people?

[MrPryck2U]

Reason had a number of good songs, but DB seemed to have more of a Pink Floyd feel to it. I remember just being excited to hear new Pink Floyd. I used to listen to DB everyday leading all the way up to when I saw them on tour that Summer. The second half of the album was stronger than the first half.

[cobl04]

I didn't think I was alone in thinking Young Lust was a steaming pile of shit. There you go.

Originally Posted by lazarus

And using Young Lust's lyrics (easily the worst on The Wall) to counter this is pretty weak. It may be my least favorite song (or second worst after Vera) on the album too, but I really enjoy almost everything on there a lot.

Vera is fucking beautiful, shut up. Better than like 60% of the record.

Originally Posted by DaveC

I cannot believe I'm reading honest claims that Young Lust is a worse song than Several Species..., Seamus/Mademoiselle Nobs or The Grand Vizier's Garden Party. How high are you people?

I'll take Several Species over Young Lust eight days a week. It's stupid as hell, obviously, but I really enjoy the way it's constructed, like a dance track. The "haaweeeehuppattaacomeeback" part is great.

I'll take Seamus over it too. Even though it's stupid little throwaway that follows that age-old blues chord progression that I don't really like. It's fun.

Although at this point I'll take the time to say that my version of Meddle goes thusly:

One of These Days
A Pillow of Winds
Fearless
Echoes

San Tropez and Seamus totally destroy the flow. I can't imagine anyone thinking that either track is better than any of the other four. Neither are outright bad, I'd say, but they're completely superfluous on the album. Most importantly - try Fearless>Echoes on for size if you haven't before and tell me it's not astonishing. The haunting Liverpool cheer into the organ pings of Echoes is just perfect.

[liamcool]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

And Atom Heart Mother better than The Wall? 2/3 of AHM's runtime is pure wankery. A guy actually reads the ingredients of his breakfast. It's amusing and shit but it's little more than a curio in the scope of their wider catalogue. That period between Saucerful and AHM had some serious growing pains for the band.

Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast is Pink Floyd at their most pastoral and folky - unlike the dark psychedelia of songs like Julia Dream or Cirrus Minor or the paranoia of If and Fearless, it's major key and hopeful. It exposes a lot of the folkier influences of their music, like Pete Seeger and The Kinks, in a manner that none of the rest of their music does, and for that reason it's worthwhile.

I also think it's really disruptive and interesting to consider that AHM went to #1 in the British charts with an album concluding with a thirteen minute piece about a man having breakfast. It's probably the best display of their weird British humour on record.

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

75% of Ummagumma is worse

I'll give you Grand Vizier's Garden Party, that's a load of shit. The Sisyphus suite has about four minutes that are more interesting than at least half of The Wall, and a whole bunch of garbage. Several Small Species is at least interesting in the method Waters used to construct it, even if the results are mostly unlistenable, as opposed to trudging through the same musical motif for the third or fourth time over boring lyrics. That said...

Originally Posted by cobl04

I'll take Several Species over Young Lust eight days a week. It's stupid as hell, obviously, but I really enjoy the way it's constructed, like a dance track. The "haaweeeehuppattaacomeeback" part is great.

Yeah, I can't say I ever thought of it as anything other than a noise collage.

The Narrow Way and Grantchester Meadows are both excellent tunes that never really got a fair shake. Also, despite the sound quality, all of the live stuff on Ummagumma is tremendous, easily their best live album.

Young Lust is one of Waters' worst lyrics over a half decent riff. I don't care for the form because I fucking hate cock rock, but there is at least some notable content in that song, which means it's better than most of the filler tracks on the wall, especially on side three.

Sorrow is the only worthwhile thing on Momentary Lapse. That album is far too overproduced, and loses cohesion in terms of songwriting. But hey, that's what being in the late 80s with a fuck ton of cocaine will do to you.

Originally Posted by cobl04

I'll take Seamus over it too. Even though it's stupid little throwaway that follows that age-old blues chord progression that I don't really like. It's fun.

Although at this point I'll take the time to say that my version of Meddle goes thusly:

One of These Days
A Pillow of Winds
Fearless
Echoes

San Tropez and Seamus totally destroy the flow. I can't imagine anyone thinking that either track is better than any of the other four. Neither are outright bad, I'd say, but they're completely superfluous on the album. Most importantly - try Fearless>Echoes on for size if you haven't before and tell me it's not astonishing. The haunting Liverpool cheer into the organ pings of Echoes is just perfect.

Eh, I can see both sides of this. On one hand, a four song album consisting of those tracks would be incredible in terms of quality, but I think San Tropez and Seamus work well as a breather in between Fearless and Echoes. Seamus is another example of the band putting absurdity onto a record to see if they can do it, and getting away with it, and San Tropez is actually pretty important within the development of the band, as it was the first case of Waters taking complete control of a song, insisting on playing guitar on it, minimising the input of other members of the band and being the proverbial dictator within the band for the first time.

[cobl04]

I've heard that argument a lot, too, that they worked as a breather and without them you'd have a pretty claustrophobic album. I can see the merit in that but most of the times I listen to it I find myself skipping ahead because the quality of those four tracks is just incredible.

Good post, btw, I enjoyed reading it. It's been a long time since we've had an in-depth Floyd discussion around here and they were always really enjoyable.

[bono_212]

I just can't even... I already knew about Cobl's weird ass love of Vera, but seeing it beside his calling Young Lust their worst song and I'm just dumbfounded.

[LemonMelon]

Don't Leave Me Now is fucking cringeworthy. Horrid vocals. That's the song I'd peg as The Wall's worst.