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Old 08-15-2015, 11:11 PM   #681
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Okay. I was going to say if you don't have Animals (I don't think I've ever heard you talk about it), that needs to be the next move.
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You should get Piper at the Gates of Dawn. It's so different from the rest of their albums, but explains their later reference and obsession with Syd.

I also think Atom Heart Mother is hugely underrated!

That said, OBC is very similar in sound and tone to Dark Side, and I know your reverence for that album.
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Okay. I was going to say if you don't have Animals (I don't think I've ever heard you talk about it), that needs to be the next move.
Really? Not even in the cdisantis days? It's probably in my top 10 albums. The only thing on the album I have a remote dislike for is the lengthy, repetitive instrumental break that gets quite dirge-y between the second and third verses of Pigs. That song could have some of its fat cut off the top, it's a bit long. The two Pigs on the Wing are utterly lovely, Dogs is one of the band's very best songs, featuring some outstanding guitar work, captivating lyricism, and much the same can be said for Sheep. I also think it might contain the best outros of any album ever. The endings for Dogs, Pigs and Sheep are all fucking incredible, the apocalyptic Waters verse on Dogs, the monstrous solo in Pigs and that sensational galloping riff in Sheep. Tremendous album.
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This thread prompted me to revisit Obscured By Clouds. I hadn't listened to it in years and honestly couldn't recall a note. So I gave it a spin yesterday.

... right now I still struggle to recall a note of it.

It was a pleasant enough listening experience, certainly much more enjoyable than tedious shit like The Wall, The Final Cut, or most of AMLOR (I will defend to the death "Sorrow" as one of Pink Floyd's best songs), but the album has never left a mark on me. I wouldn't rank it up with Piper, Atom Heart Mother, DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, or Division Bell.

I'm with Liam that Atom Heart Mother is underrated. I don't care much for the overlong title track or the gimmicky brekkie track, but the middle three get to me every time.
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It's probably in my top 10 albums. The only thing on the album I have a remote dislike for is the lengthy, repetitive instrumental break that gets quite dirge-y between the second and third verses of Pigs. That song could have some of its fat cut off the top, it's a bit long. The two Pigs on the Wing are utterly lovely, Dogs is one of the band's very best songs, featuring some outstanding guitar work, captivating lyricism, and much the same can be said for Sheep. I also think it might contain the best outros of any album ever. The endings for Dogs, Pigs and Sheep are all fucking incredible, the apocalyptic Waters verse on Dogs, the monstrous solo in Pigs and that sensational galloping riff in Sheep. Tremendous album.
Okay cool, I don't know why I don't remember any of those discussions. But completely agreed about the brilliance of Animals, which is a real challenger to Wish You Were Here for my favorite PF album.
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Who was born in a house full of pain
Who trained not to spit in the fan
Who was told what to do by the man
Who was broken by trained personnel
Who was fitted with collar and chain
Who was given a pat on the back
Who was breaking away from the pack
Who was only a stranger only at home
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One of the best closing parts in music, ever. The drumming, the lurching guitar, Waters' urgent vocals, the brilliant metaphorical lyrics, all of it. God I love it.
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The only thing on the album I have a remote dislike for is the lengthy, repetitive instrumental break that gets quite dirge-y between the second and third verses of Pigs. That song could have some of its fat cut off the top, it's a bit long.
Love the rest of your post, but I think this instrumental break is one of the best things about the album. When placed in the context of what the song's actually about (Britain's political system is fucked, in 1977 it was looking likely that Thatcher was going to be elected, and she was going to drag figures like Mary Whitehouse into positions of prominence and it's going to fuck us...which it did) having a big dirge in the middle of a song about the Conservative Party makes sense.

The ending of Dogs is fucking crushing. Amazing. I might go and listen to it now.
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I've always loved the ending of Dogs. So epic. Although, and this is a fail on my part, I always thought it was Gilmour singing it.


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I don't think that's such a bad fail. They sound quite similar at times. The only reason I know is because during that period I gobbled up everything I could about Pink Floyd. I didn't have friends. So in the myriad of stuff I read I read about Waters taking that verse. I think it works really well, though. Gilmour always had a more appealing, emotional voice, I think, which is why his verses in Dogs carry so much gravitas, but Waters' more acerbic voice is so perfect for that ending. Liam's right, it is totally crushing.

I've come across the remasters on Spotify and listening to other tracks now, like Raving & Drooling and You Gotta Be Crazy, which turned into Sheep and Dogs respectively. They're both great but did improve when finally released, in particular lyrically. Also Dogs doesn't feature Gilmour rapping, which is a positive.
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Love the rest of your post, but I think this instrumental break is one of the best things about the album. When placed in the context of what the song's actually about (Britain's political system is fucked, in 1977 it was looking likely that Thatcher was going to be elected, and she was going to drag figures like Mary Whitehouse into positions of prominence and it's going to fuck us...which it did) having a big dirge in the middle of a song about the Conservative Party makes sense.
That's a good point. It's not to say I dislike it, though. I love the song, I just think it gets a bit mired and I like Dogs and Sheep better. But it's still like an 8/9 outta 10 song.
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I've always loved the ending of Dogs. So epic. Although, and this is a fail on my part, I always thought it was Gilmour singing it.


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It's a really subtle and very well done changeover of vocalists - on the studio version, everything before the synth break is Gilmour and everything after is Waters, whereas live Waters only sang the final verse.

(The Wikipedia article goes into an almost obsessive level of detail about how that song was put together. It's neat.)

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I've come across the remasters on Spotify and listening to other tracks now, like Raving & Drooling and You Gotta Be Crazy, which turned into Sheep and Dogs respectively. They're both great but did improve when finally released, in particular lyrically. Also Dogs doesn't feature Gilmour rapping, which is a positive.
Sorry, Gilmour rapping? Hahaha, fuck. Now I have to go and check out those remasters!

Also, the ending to Sheep contrasts from Dogs in such an effective manner - it's such an obvious, cliche guitar line, but it works so well in the context of that song. Triumphant in the best way.

(...even though it's lyrically just as bleak as Dogs or Pigs.)
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Hearing Animals for the first time was the precise moment when Gilmour became one of my favorite guitarists of all time. The material is great, but his guitar heroics elevate it intensely. He carries that record and doesn't even have to.

I feel the same way about Steve Howe and a number of Yes records. Fragile and Close to the Edge are amazing by all accounts, but Howe's guitar work is fucking incredible and rewards close attention. Every run is captivating in its own way.
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Now that's a face in dire need of a punch.

Anyway, thewallanalysis.com is a fun read.
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Does anyone else not rank The Wall that highly in the PF catalog? There's at least five records I'd rank above it. I think it has a number of great tracks but that it is longer than its concept and narrative requires.

Also, if I were to put myself into one of the camps that Floyd fans often do, I'd be what you'd call a 'Gilmour guy' - as with Travis, Gilmour is one of my favorite guitarists, one of my top three ever, actually - and I feel like his brand of majestic, epic, sprawling playing, such a huge part of what made Floyd Floyd, is much too absent from The Wall, which is obviously a Waters-dominant work. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a track on the record on which Gilmour really sounds like Gilmour other than Comfortably Numb, which is of course a classic. In The Flesh, Hey You, Goodbye Blue Sky, and Another Brick In The Wall are also tracks that I love, but they're cut from a different cloth than the aforementioned track.

AMLOR and Division Bell aren't perfect, but I think, overall, I'd rather have Gilmour doing what he does best without Roger's more incisive songwriting and emphasis on concept than the other way around.

They are, of course, at their best when working together, as in everything from AHM through Animals.




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They were pretty fractious around the time of Animals, though, I'm pretty sure.

But yes I rank The Wall last of what I've heard. Still great, but the music is at times overshadowed as Waters and Ezrin's story takes the precedence.


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The Wall is an admirable, angsty and mostly very listenable experience. There are a LOT of people that dislike it, but I'm firmly in the camp of "very good, but they've done better." It's lacking balance between the bile of Waters and the melodic warmth of Gilmour, as you alluded.

Meddle, Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and Animals I would all rank over The Wall. If someone put Piper ahead of it as well, I wouldn't protest. The Wall's staggering highs and impressive structure set it ahead of the rest.
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They were pretty fractious around the time of Animals, though, I'm pretty sure.

But yes I rank The Wall last of what I've heard. Still great, but the music is at times overshadowed as Waters and Ezrin's story takes the precedence.


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Oh, I'm sure they were already having problems during Animals, but just in terms of creative contributions, I think they were still fairly equal. The Wall and The Final Cut are often thought of as Waters solo records, but I was surprised to see some people(not here, elsewhere) saying that Animals was also in that category, because that makes no sense to me. Gilmour's presence on that record is orders of magnitude greater than on the subsequent two records.


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The Wall is an admirable, angsty and mostly very listenable experience. There are a LOT of people that dislike it, but I'm firmly in the camp of "very good, but they've done better." It's lacking balance between the bile of Waters and the melodic warmth of Gilmour, as you alluded.

Meddle, Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and Animals I would all rank over The Wall. If someone put Piper ahead of it as well, I wouldn't protest. The Wall's staggering highs and impressive structure set it ahead of the rest.

I agree that those four are over it, but I think I'd also take Atom Heart Mother(the suite is polarizing but it's one of my favorite Floyd tracks) over it and maybe even one of the two post-Waters records.


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The Wall and The Final Cut are the two worst PF albums.
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