OASIS - New Album(s) and all General Discussion - Page 21

phanan · 10-17-2008, 03:57 PM

What they should have done is realized how fantastic the B-sides were (original compositions) and saved them. Add live versions and cover songs to the Morning Glory singles instead, and then, just use them as the next album, allowing them to take a break and recharge their batteries.

If you take the songs from the Whatever single (minus Slide Away, of course), plus the other B-sides, you've got a killer album.

Whatever
Half The World Away
It's Good To Be Free
Talk Tonight
Acquiesce
Headshrinker
It's Better People
Rockin' Chair
Round Are Way
The Masterplan
Step Out
Underneath The Sky

A spectacular 12 song album.

Don't bother with The Swamp Song. Keep it as a B-side with the covers and live cuts.

Irishteen · 10-17-2008, 04:00 PM

Masterplan is probably the second or third best Oasis album...seriously what happened to them? They made such amazing b-sides and then suddenly couldn't make songs half as good for a-sides.

Heathen Chemistry is probably the biggest disappoint I ever had with an album

Zoots · 10-17-2008, 04:05 PM

Now I feel like listening to Be Here Now.

the tourist · 10-17-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Irishteen

...seriously what happened to them?

Cocaine and other various rock and roll cliche excesses.

LemonMelon · 10-17-2008, 05:56 PM

Oh, and The Masterplan is definitely awesome. I didn't review it because it's not an actual studio album, but it would probably be my 3rd or 4th favorite by them if it were.

Saracene · 10-17-2008, 06:09 PM

Be Here Now was actually the first Oasis album I listened to, so I hated it on its own without any comparisons to the rest of their discography,

There are definitely parallels to POP in the way the initial positive reception changed to the commonly accepted "where it all went wrong" label both albums get smacked with.

the tourist · 10-17-2008, 06:10 PM

Maybe '97's just a cursed year.

Irishteen · 10-17-2008, 06:43 PM

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Maybe '97's just a cursed year.

My favourite guitarist changed styles to something more dance influenced in 97; the album flopped and no one cared about any of the follow ups

intedomine · 10-18-2008, 02:48 AM

Regarding Be Here Now. Sure it's bloated. But that's the way it's supposed to be,the songs are as they are, you could try shortening them, but they are supposed to be long-winded and full of pretence. That's probably why I'm finding it hard to imagine slotting in some of those b-sides, because they are, for the most part, less able to be bloated, except maybe My Sister Lover.

phanan · 10-18-2008, 06:55 AM

The B-sides are from the same recording sessions, have the same feel as the album tracks, and are quite lengthy in their own right. To me, they fit right in.

Zoots · 10-18-2008, 10:46 AM

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The songs that I wouldn't mind not being on the album would have been The Girl In The Dirty Shirt and the title track.

I love the title track but agree that Dirty Shirt is meh.

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I don't mind Magic Pie - I don't think it's as good as some of the other tracks, but I think it's decent.

Yeah, it's good but way too long! Same problem as All Around The World.

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I also don't see the need for the reprise. Instead, I would have had It's Getting Better Man and then the regular All Around The World to end it.

Completely agree with this! Whatever possessed them to put It's Gettin' Better after the song that sounds like it was made to be a closer???

And they go from it's gettin' better to we're gettin' better... how ironic!

Zoots · 10-18-2008, 10:52 AM

Also, they could have just fused All Around The World and the Reprise together so that the song ends with that beatlesque fanfare melody and door slamming sound... and cut out all the fat and made it about 6 or 7 min max, instead of a total of 11 to 12 min as it stands now!

phanan · 10-18-2008, 11:44 AM

Again, I could go either way with Magic Pie. I don't mind it, but it's not one of my favorites either.

However, I strongly disagree with All Around The World being too long. That was the whole point. The album is supposed to be excessive, and ending with a 10 minute opus puts the finishing touches on it perfectly. I would just remove the reprise and use the single version at the end (which is about 20 seconds longer to allow for the proper fadeout).

Zoots · 10-18-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by phanan

The album is supposed to be excessive

What? Who said that?

phanan · 10-18-2008, 11:51 AM

Haven't you read anything as to how Be Here Now was made, Zoots? They were on drugs most of the time, putting layer after layer of music on tape and going all out, not cutting anything and just letting the music flow. Some say the album could use some editing in certain songs, that it's too long - I say no, just a couple of songs switched for B-sides. I love how the music is longer and goes for a while.

And stop using

so much. Sheesh. If I didn't know any better, I would've thought you were really BVS.

Zoots · 10-18-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

Haven't you read anything as to how Be Here Now was made, Zoots?

No.

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Originally Posted by phanan

And stop using

so much. Sheesh. If I didn't know any better, I would've thought you were really BVS.

I wasn't consciously overusing it!

cdisantis83 · 10-18-2008, 02:55 PM

I will never understand why "Stay Young" was kept off Be Here Now; in addition, the cover of "Street Fighting Man" would have fit right into the mood of the album, although I can understand why a cover would not be included.
I am not sure that the argument of purposeful excess can be used as a justification for the album, however. Definitely Maybe is just as bombastic in terms of subject matter, but clocks in at fifteen minutes shorter than Be Here Now. "All Around the World" would work fine if two other tracks were removed; but, as it stands, the album as a whole is a difficult listen, even if several individual songs - Don't Go Away and Magic Pie especially - are excellent.

intedomine · 10-18-2008, 06:50 PM

As "closing" as All Around The World may sound, It's Getting Better (Man!!) serves as a kinda uplifting, celebratory "we're not finished yet!", rock and roll jam and fits in beautifully in my opinion. At 6 minutes, it compliments the bombasticity.

If Be Here Now needs to be refined, it is in the middle (Stand By Me through to Don't Go Away), just something not quite right about it.

TheQuiet1 · 10-19-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by intedomine

As "closing" as All Around The World may sound, It's Getting Better (Man!!) serves as a kinda uplifting, celebratory "we're not finished yet!", rock and roll jam and fits in beautifully in my opinion.

That is something I've really missed about the 'new' Oasis. All I want is for them to write one, just one, of those breezy let's throw the kitchen sink at it Britpop type songs that was pretty much all they seemed to write during the BHN era. I know it'd be a backward step for them which is why I wouldn't mind if it were buried as a B-side on the fourth single release. If you imagine the style of Going Nowhere that would be the sort of thing I'd be after.

djerdap · 10-19-2008, 09:26 AM

Their Wembley Arena concert from a few days ago was broadcasted on MTV. You can find almost all of it on YouTube. The band sounds very solid, especially when Noel is on vocals, but when his little brother opens his mouth, God. The man is so out of tune it hurts.

10-17-2008, 03:57 PM	#401
phanan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in the darkness on the edge of town Posts: 26,078 Local Time: 06:50 PM	What they should have done is realized how fantastic the B-sides were (original compositions) and saved them. Add live versions and cover songs to the Morning Glory singles instead, and then, just use them as the next album, allowing them to take a break and recharge their batteries. If you take the songs from the Whatever single (minus Slide Away, of course), plus the other B-sides, you've got a killer album. Whatever Half The World Away It's Good To Be Free Talk Tonight Acquiesce Headshrinker It's Better People Rockin' Chair Round Are Way The Masterplan Step Out Underneath The Sky A spectacular 12 song album. Don't bother with The Swamp Song. Keep it as a B-side with the covers and live cuts. __________________

10-17-2008, 04:00 PM	#402
Irishteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 29,624 Local Time: 11:50 PM	Masterplan is probably the second or third best Oasis album...seriously what happened to them? They made such amazing b-sides and then suddenly couldn't make songs half as good for a-sides. Heathen Chemistry is probably the biggest disappoint I ever had with an album __________________

10-19-2008, 09:26 AM	#420
djerdap Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 7,516 Local Time: 10:50 PM	Their Wembley Arena concert from a few days ago was broadcasted on MTV. You can find almost all of it on YouTube. The band sounds very solid, especially when Noel is on vocals, but when his little brother opens his mouth, God. The man is so out of tune it hurts. __________________

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10-17-2008, 04:05 PM	#403
Zoots Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the great beyond Posts: 36,802 Local Time: 12:50 AM	Now I feel like listening to Be Here Now.

10-17-2008, 05:56 PM	#405
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,641 Local Time: 03:50 PM	Oh, and The Masterplan is definitely awesome. I didn't review it because it's not an actual studio album, but it would probably be my 3rd or 4th favorite by them if it were.

10-17-2008, 06:09 PM	#406
Saracene Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia, some time after tea Posts: 6,325 Local Time: 10:50 PM	Be Here Now was actually the first Oasis album I listened to, so I hated it on its own without any comparisons to the rest of their discography, There are definitely parallels to POP in the way the initial positive reception changed to the commonly accepted "where it all went wrong" label both albums get smacked with.

10-17-2008, 06:10 PM	#407
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,918 Local Time: 03:50 PM	Maybe '97's just a cursed year.

10-18-2008, 02:48 AM	#409
intedomine Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Melbourne Posts: 8,104 Local Time: 08:50 AM	Regarding Be Here Now. Sure it's bloated. But that's the way it's supposed to be,the songs are as they are, you could try shortening them, but they are supposed to be long-winded and full of pretence. That's probably why I'm finding it hard to imagine slotting in some of those b-sides, because they are, for the most part, less able to be bloated, except maybe My Sister Lover.

10-18-2008, 06:55 AM	#410
phanan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in the darkness on the edge of town Posts: 26,078 Local Time: 06:50 PM	The B-sides are from the same recording sessions, have the same feel as the album tracks, and are quite lengthy in their own right. To me, they fit right in.

10-18-2008, 10:52 AM	#412
Zoots Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the great beyond Posts: 36,802 Local Time: 12:50 AM	Also, they could have just fused All Around The World and the Reprise together so that the song ends with that beatlesque fanfare melody and door slamming sound... and cut out all the fat and made it about 6 or 7 min max, instead of a total of 11 to 12 min as it stands now!

10-18-2008, 11:44 AM	#413
phanan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in the darkness on the edge of town Posts: 26,078 Local Time: 06:50 PM	Again, I could go either way with Magic Pie. I don't mind it, but it's not one of my favorites either. However, I strongly disagree with All Around The World being too long. That was the whole point. The album is supposed to be excessive, and ending with a 10 minute opus puts the finishing touches on it perfectly. I would just remove the reprise and use the single version at the end (which is about 20 seconds longer to allow for the proper fadeout).

10-18-2008, 11:51 AM	#415
phanan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: in the darkness on the edge of town Posts: 26,078 Local Time: 06:50 PM	Haven't you read anything as to how Be Here Now was made, Zoots? They were on drugs most of the time, putting layer after layer of music on tape and going all out, not cutting anything and just letting the music flow. Some say the album could use some editing in certain songs, that it's too long - I say no, just a couple of songs switched for B-sides. I love how the music is longer and goes for a while. And stop using so much. Sheesh. If I didn't know any better, I would've thought you were really BVS.

10-18-2008, 02:55 PM	#417
cdisantis83 Refugee Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Among Badgers Posts: 1,033 Local Time: 05:50 PM	I will never understand why "Stay Young" was kept off Be Here Now; in addition, the cover of "Street Fighting Man" would have fit right into the mood of the album, although I can understand why a cover would not be included. I am not sure that the argument of purposeful excess can be used as a justification for the album, however. Definitely Maybe is just as bombastic in terms of subject matter, but clocks in at fifteen minutes shorter than Be Here Now. "All Around the World" would work fine if two other tracks were removed; but, as it stands, the album as a whole is a difficult listen, even if several individual songs - Don't Go Away and Magic Pie especially - are excellent.

10-18-2008, 06:50 PM	#418
intedomine Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Melbourne Posts: 8,104 Local Time: 08:50 AM	As "closing" as All Around The World may sound, It's Getting Better (Man!!) serves as a kinda uplifting, celebratory "we're not finished yet!", rock and roll jam and fits in beautifully in my opinion. At 6 minutes, it compliments the bombasticity. If Be Here Now needs to be refined, it is in the middle (Stand By Me through to Don't Go Away), just something not quite right about it.