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Old 12-15-2009, 08:29 PM   #21
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well, there are a few people who have agreed with me so far, so that kinda kills your point. and why the racist comment?
My point is that it's not exactly a great tactic to dismiss people who disagree with you as "not getting it."

And the racist thing is a reference to ZooTV. "Everyone is a racist except you." It's one of the messages from The Fly.
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the more I see her as a celebrity, the more I get the feeling that she is the first post modern, purely pop star. She embraces spectable for the sake of spectacle, will wear just about anything, embraces sexual abiguity, and relies on a sound that is not anchored to anything other than the celebration of art for the sake of art.

...or, I could be crazy.

thoughts?
David Bowie did all that eons ago.
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Well I liked The Fame a lot. But I think only time will tell if Lady Gaga is a star or just a meteor. That she's already rehashing her songs with Bad Romance is not an encouraging sign IMO.
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and again, you're somewhat right, people have been doing this stuff for ages, but not a purely pop star like lady gaga. its an interesting aesthetic to be catching on in the mainstream like this. I really don't think madonna can be compared here, because, well... she was all about sex and not much else. She's a cliche now.
I'm not sure what you mean exactly. If the vibe you are getting is one of spectacle and transformation for the sake of art then I have to disagree again. A pop star is such a tricky thing to define. I've heard the pop star tag thrown around to artists that wouldn't conform to pop music. One artist that meets the spectacle and transformation criteria and was covered on a program called Queens of British Pop is Siouxsie Sioux.

Siouxsie Sioux was a chameleon who would adapt to the material whether it be gothic and sinister or classical and melancholy. Between her heavy eyeliner or fetish clothing in the early years of the Banshees, she was creating a spectacle. You keep metioning Lady GaGa's similarity to ZooTV but no pop star has come as close to The Fly in mind as Siouxsie's persona did at times. Like The Fly, with Siouxsie, the audience was always seeing something artificial.





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That she's already rehashing her songs with Bad Romance is not an encouraging sign IMO.
Heh. I think The Fame Monster is a step forward for her, compared to the first record. There seems to be a little more depth (and no, please don't ask me to define "depth").

Perspectives .... they're all different and junk!
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Does anyone else think she sounds like Cher at times?
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Does anyone else think she sounds like Cher sometimes?
i'd rather see gaga straddling a cannon than cher, that's for certs.
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Does anyone else think she sounds like Cher at times?
Also wonder if its just me or does anyone think she sounds like Gwen Stefani when she sings Paparazzi? Specifically the part at 2:39/2:40




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Also wonder if its just me or does anyone think she sounds like Gwen Stefani when she sings Paparazzi? Specifically the part at 2:39/2:40
her real first name is stefani


i think she sounds like her there too
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Holy shit! Is that Vampire Eric from True Blood in the Paparazzi video? And she kills him. Awesome.
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Holy shit! Is that Vampire Eric from True Blood in the Paparazzi video? And she kills him. Awesome.
it is
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It is??
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It is??
Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta

it's a mouthful.
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Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta.
I totally see where she got GaGa from!
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I totally see where she got GaGa from!
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I keep mentioning the ZooTV aesthetic, no the fly in particular. my point is that a female pop star is succeeding by embracing everything that ZooTV stood for (which was mockery, essentially), embracing it, and succeeding wildly with it. i don't think that could've happened on this before.

someone mentioned siouxsiee or something... never heard of them/him/her ... which means they can't have been that big or important. Lady Gaga is a worldwide hit at the moment.

Again, the main point of my thread is that U2 were wildly ahead of their time.
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Also wonder if its just me or does anyone think she sounds like Gwen Stefani when she sings Paparazzi? Specifically the part at 2:39/2:40




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I think the whole reason I don't like Paparazzi is because it sounds so much like a Gwen Stefani song to me.

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someone mentioned siouxsiee or something... never heard of them/him/her ... which means they can't have been that big or important. Lady Gaga is a worldwide hit at the moment.
Gah, I love the argument that if "I haven't heard of them they must not be important"
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Oh Noes, all we need is more Lady GaGa!, radio blah blah.
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Gah, I love the argument that if "I haven't heard of them they must not be important"
Yeah, me too. You lost me with that, Mr. The One 1932.
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I think the whole reason I don't like Paparazzi is because it sounds so much like a Gwen Stefani song to me.
Awesome. I'm not deaf.
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