Lady GaGa General Discussion - Page 13

coolian2 · 03-13-2010, 05:05 PM

holy shit, what am i going to see tonight?

corianderstem · 03-13-2010, 05:08 PM

I am so freaking jealous.

RedRocksU2 · 03-13-2010, 05:09 PM

corianderstem · 03-13-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by corianderstem

Maybe she's just straddling that fine line, but I guess I'm just not convinced yet of what her deal is.

Which isn't to say that I don't still love her songs and she amuses the crap out of me, but still.

I think there's more I have to say about this whole thing - "I don't buy it" isn't quite right, but I'm not ready to be on board with whatever some people say she's selling. I don't really know how I feel about whether or not there's some goofy hidden meaning under all the product placement (although when it's so blatant, I feel it almost has to be), or whether or not I buy her being in any way subversive beyond being a strong woman in charge of her own image and "product."

If that makes any sense.

RedRocksU2 · 03-13-2010, 05:20 PM

Hey Ian, who's the opening act?

coolian2 · 03-13-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by corianderstem

I think there's more I have to say about this whole thing - "I don't buy it" isn't quite right, but I'm not ready to be on board with whatever some people say she's selling. I don't really know how I feel about whether or not there's some goofy hidden meaning under all the product placement (although when it's so blatant, I feel it almost has to be), or whether or not I buy her being in any way subversive beyond being a strong woman in charge of her own image and "product."

If that makes any sense.

i want to believe it, and i feel like i do. the alternate theory basically seems to be that she arsed her way backwards into all of this, and given what the whole gaga thing has become, it just seems implausible that she doesn't know what she's doing.

but even just typing that it's easy for me to see how she could have just managed to get dead lucky. the benefit of hindsight will eventually get us there. i saw her opening act interviewed on tv the other night - she used to open for them - and the impression i got from them when she briefly did come up was that it still felt like it could have been either way.

coolian2 · 03-13-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRocksU2

Hey Ian, who's the opening act?

hey what the hell, how did you know i was going to mention them before i'd even posted?

the opening act is the semi precious weapons. from what i saw on tv on friday i might want to hang out on the concourse while they're on, but i'll give them a chance.

Acrobat Angel · 03-13-2010, 05:46 PM

I'm seeing her next weekend in Newcastle. I really can't wait!

corianderstem · 03-13-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by coolian2

it just seems implausible that she doesn't know what she's doing.

Oh! No, I'm completely sure she knows what she's doing.

I'm just saying I'm not sure I'm convinced as to what this whole "deeper meaning" or whatever is, or if she's just messing with us about there even being a deeper meaning to her image, persona and videos.

I just deleted two more paragraphs because I am so completely NOT making any lick of sense today.

coolian2 · 03-13-2010, 07:19 PM

reading comprehension hasn't been my strong suit this week.

for the most part, take what i said and apply it to what you were actually discussing. i think it still fits? i do know what you mean though.

corianderstem · 03-13-2010, 07:21 PM

I guess I can sum up my incomprehensible posts by saying: I'm not convinced she's subversive or underscoring anything with messages of brilliance.

There.

PhilsFan · 03-13-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by corianderstem

I guess I can sum up my incomprehensible posts by saying: I'm not convinced she's subversive or underscoring anything with messages of brilliance.

There.

I'm almost sure she's not, so I agree with you.

corianderstem · 03-13-2010, 07:37 PM

She seems pretty coy about such things in interviews as well (or maybe I'm not paying attention), like she's not coming out to say "This is what x is all about, and this is what I'm trying to do."

And you know what? That's a little awesome in and of itself. If she doesn't have big hidden meanings and is all subversive, she kind of leaves it up for people to decide (and have internet slap-fights about it).

She definitely knows how to get people talking, so I take my metaphorical hat off to her for that.

coolian2 · 03-13-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by corianderstem

I guess I can sum up my incomprehensible posts by saying: I'm not convinced she's subversive or underscoring anything with messages of brilliance.

There.

that sounds right. i think she's probably contriving her fame, but she's not trying to make a statement with what she's doing.

or at least, nothing deeper than "haha look how easy this is".

coolian2 · 03-13-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by corianderstem

I take my metaphorical hat off to her for that.

well, that's more than she can do

corianderstem · 03-13-2010, 07:41 PM

I like this quote from one of the endless "GaGa is awesome/GaGa is shit pop music and nothing more" arguments elsewhere on the internet:

"That delightful shot in the diner where Lady Gaga is just posing there in this magnificently outlandish costume because I'm-so-fucking-fabulous is all the argument she needs really."

RedRocksU2 · 03-13-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by coolian2

well, that's more than she can do

exactly, I can't believe she wears denim.

bono_212 · 03-13-2010, 10:32 PM

The simple fact of the matter, imo, is that Irishteen is right. She really just knows what to do to make herself a name. There's no such thing as bad publicity, and she'll do whatever she can to stay in the limelight, and it's working out pretty damn well for her. I honestly don't think she has one original thing to say, or anything deep and meaningful, but damn if she isn't good at what she does.

**KhanadaRhodes** · 03-13-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by corianderstem

I am so freaking jealous.

you and me both. ugh, i even had a ticket. :whine:

bono_212 · 03-14-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes

you and me both. ugh, i even had a ticket. :whine:

Come to Lolla!

03-13-2010, 05:05 PM	#241
coolian2 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hamilton (No longer STD capital of NZ) Posts: 42,934 Local Time: 11:28 PM	holy shit, what am i going to see tonight? __________________

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corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 03:28 AM	I am so freaking jealous. __________________

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bono_212 Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 83,919 Local Time: 03:28 AM	The simple fact of the matter, imo, is that Irishteen is right. She really just knows what to do to make herself a name. There's no such thing as bad publicity, and she'll do whatever she can to stay in the limelight, and it's working out pretty damn well for her. I honestly don't think she has one original thing to say, or anything deep and meaningful, but damn if she isn't good at what she does. __________________

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corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 03:28 AM	I guess I can sum up my incomprehensible posts by saying: I'm not convinced she's subversive or underscoring anything with messages of brilliance. There.

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corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 03:28 AM	She seems pretty coy about such things in interviews as well (or maybe I'm not paying attention), like she's not coming out to say "This is what x is all about, and this is what I'm trying to do." And you know what? That's a little awesome in and of itself. If she doesn't have big hidden meanings and is all subversive, she kind of leaves it up for people to decide (and have internet slap-fights about it). She definitely knows how to get people talking, so I take my metaphorical hat off to her for that.

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corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 03:28 AM	I like this quote from one of the endless "GaGa is awesome/GaGa is shit pop music and nothing more" arguments elsewhere on the internet: "That delightful shot in the diner where Lady Gaga is just posing there in this magnificently outlandish costume because I'm-so-fucking-fabulous is all the argument she needs really."