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Old 05-06-2014, 09:01 PM   #221
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I don't think I use that phrase the way everyone else does. When I hear that an artist is socially conscious, I don't expect to hear a song about the excess of fame. I expect more along the lines of early Common, or Cunninlynguists
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Ohh okay I think I see what you mean. But I think you can be a socially conscious rapper and still rap about ridiculous shit. They aren't mutually exclusive. Sing About Me/Dying of Thirst and Backseat Freestyle appear on the same album.
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Sounds like I would be getting way in over my head if I got into this discussion too far with Cassie. I don't think the two sociolinguistics courses I've taken would be of much help.

Not that I disagree with her to any significant degree. I've spent the last five years trying to educate myself about the genre so that I could, in turn, represent it properly to people who still think it's all guns, cars and bitches (and place those subjects into a greater societal context because honestly I think they possess a certain cultural interest).

freal if you wanna read one of my favorite books on language in rap, check out h. samy alim's roc the mic right. it's super cheap on amazon for an academic text. http://www.amazon.com/Roc-Mic-Right-...9430399&sr=1-2

I'll also say that not only do guns, money, bitches have a certain cultural interest, but it's important to remember than guns and drugs etc are REALITY for many of these rappers, whether they've been involved or they've seen it or whatever. Yes, a lot of it is exaggerated, but a lot is not. That's what I'm getting at when I talk about marginalized voices and trying to police what they say so it's more palatable. I get it if that's not what someone wants to listen to, but don't try to get rid of it either.
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I don't think I use that phrase the way everyone else does. When I hear that an artist is socially conscious, I don't expect to hear a song about the excess of fame. I expect more along the lines of early Common, or Cunninlynguists
Kendrick doesn't rap about his fame at all though. He raps about being a broke underdog 9 times out of 10. Sounds more like you're describing Kanye (who is/was praised for his conscious raps), but he's definitely more self absorbed than anything these days. Kanye is an interesting guy though so it works.

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freal if you wanna read one of my favorite books on language in rap, check out h. samy alim's roc the mic right. it's super cheap on amazon for an academic text. http://www.amazon.com/Roc-Mic-Right-...9430399&sr=1-2

I'll also say that not only do guns, money, bitches have a certain cultural interest, but it's important to remember than guns and drugs etc are REALITY for many of these rappers, whether they've been involved or they've seen it or whatever. Yes, a lot of it is exaggerated, but a lot is not. That's what I'm getting at when I talk about marginalized voices and trying to police what they say so it's more palatable. I get it if that's not what someone wants to listen to, but don't try to get rid of it either.
I love that a book like this exists. I will definitely check it out.
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I don't think he's topped Larry Csonka, but this is pretty cool

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Madvillainy. In short, I liked it. The sound is "fat," for lack of a better term: the beats have a lot of depth, as do the soul-style instrumental flourishes on many of the tracks. I also picture the main MC as an overweight guy for some reason - something about the delivery of the lines. Speaking of lyrics, they were almost goofy, as though trying to script a comic book or something. "Hook me two apple pies and a small fries" sticks out in my head.
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Oxymoron is a bit of a mess, but there were some really high-caliber tracks on it that saved it from being another throw-away album for me, in this genre, lately. Really loved the closer, the first half of the title track and Collard Greens.
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Madvillainy. In short, I liked it. The sound is "fat," for lack of a better term: the beats have a lot of depth, as do the soul-style instrumental flourishes on many of the tracks. I also picture the main MC as an overweight guy for some reason - something about the delivery of the lines. Speaking of lyrics, they were almost goofy, as though trying to script a comic book or something. "Hook me two apple pies and a small fries" sticks out in my head.
I love this post The main MC is MF Doom, and he is indeed overweight. If you keep listening to the album you'll find it really worming into your skin. Even when I haven't listened to it in a while lyrics will just pop up in my head, the line you quoted is one of them. (Also: Raid is one of Thom Yorke's favourite songs.)
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Raid is my ringtone.
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Meanwhile, in completely unsurprising news, this new Cunninlynguist release is fantastic.
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Didn't know they had a new one out! I hope they sample ATLiens again.

I finally listened to Benz Friendz. Ordinary. Given his spots on DoYaThing, Sixteen, Sorry, Pink Matter, even Three Stacks was subpar.
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Aquemini: This one threw me for a bit of a loop. I already knew my idea of OutKast would be skewed by the ubiquity of Hey Ya, a song that I loathe, but I still didn't expect something with as hard an edge as Aquemini. I read a review of this album saying it is laden with bravado but still plays against stereotype; I think that's an accurate assessment. The lyrics seem more focused on protecting social bonds from corrupting influences, or striving to form those social bonds in the first place, than posturing as a hard-ass. Andre has a great flow that complements the beats and soundscapes well; I admit I wasn't as taken with Big Boi's leads. Overall it does make me curious to hear more from them.
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ATLiens and Aquemini are unfuckwithable. Get on the former next.
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Yeah I dare say you'd like ATLiens more. Aquemini is easily my fav hip-hop album because it contains every single facet of what makes Outkast great, IMO.

Don't undersell Big Boi though. He's always looked at as the pimp counterpoint to a more worldly André but he does a lot more than hold his own. Take his verse on SpottieOttie for example.
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Also how anyone can hate Hey Ya! is beyond my comprehension.
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Hey Ya is a brilliant pop song. I like to think of it as a commentary on the relationship between a songwriter and his audience, balancing the personal and the entertaining. After pouring his heart out for two verses, he decides he's said too much and the tone changes. "Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance..." I think there's a touch of angst about the state of Outkast in there as well. I never get tired of hearing Hey Ya because it's so effervescent yet thoughtful. It works on several levels.
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It just strikes me as one guy testing the limits of obnoxiousness for four minutes. Throw in the video and it's even worse.
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It always astounds me how much the lyrics to that song contrast to the music.

At least those first two verses, before it gets all crazy.
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I really, really like the new Rick Ross...is that ok?
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