Hip-Hop Purists - Page 29

bono_212 · 07-21-2011, 08:24 AM

bono_212 · 07-21-2011, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Um, Black Star is playing ...Are Black Star in full here at the House of Blues. I'm fucking going.

Jesus Christ, it's $50 a pop.

LemonMelon · 07-27-2011, 01:46 AM

So, does Lil B suck? I mean, is he supposed to be awful? Is that the point?

I'm listening to I'm Gay (I'm Happy) and I can tell that he's a total amateur, unremarkable flow meeting fairly typical beats and yet...I absolutely love this. The lyrics are so damn charming and the beats suit the subject matter (as well as his flow) so well that I can get past the fact that it isn't some DJ Premier-level shit. I liked the Slant review that compared Lil B to Ariel Pink...he doesn't seem to have much interest in presenting himself in any specific way, but his passion for his art overwhelms any deficiency in skill.

LemonMelon · 07-27-2011, 02:50 AM

Oh, and for the record, as much as I despise Odd Future and the hollow, contrived crap they are passing off as "radical" and "iconoclastic," I can't deny that their contributions to hip-hop are a major part of what has made this among the more exciting years for the genre in quite some time. Hip-hop takes itself far too fucking seriously, and for a genre that had started to see a lot of the same faces retain the limelight in lieu of fresh faces, it's very refreshing that admittedly unskilled yet charming individuals like Lil B (and the less charming but certainly more skilled Odd Future, specifically Earl, who seriously needs to be freed soon) get some time in the limelight, and even make some decent music. While I'm not alright with shock taking precedence over quality, if the current controversies of these acts afford them the time to create works of art that receive the attention they deserve (and, in doing so, reflect positively on the genre as a whole) then I'm all for it.

And let's not forget that quality hip-hop has been prevalent this year also, from artists not quite as youthful but just as fresh and passionate as their slightly more fringe contemporaries: Big KRIT and Curren$y released two of my favorite records of the year. The fact that Oneirology is even better than those is simply icing on the cake. I'm feeling as if something really thrilling is stirring in hip-hop, but a lot of bullshit is obscuring the big picture: fresh MCs and producers are beginning to file in, and they have talent. This can only be a good thing. If there's some backlash over them now, fuck it, I'm based.

cobl04 · 07-27-2011, 07:13 AM

I don't get why people love Yonkers so much. I like it, but it doesn't go anywhere and the "chorus" is ordinary.

She is my favourite track by miles and miles.

BY THE WAY

How has this not been even remotely discussed? I haven't heard it yet but I hear it's decent.

Matter of fact bring out the girls and let's have a mud fight

onebloodonelife · 07-27-2011, 07:42 AM

I hate Lil B with every fiber in my body. If I hear "Swag, WOO" one more fucking time, I will stab someone in the eye.

There are people with far more talent who don't take themselves seriously in hip-hop. Even Mac Miller (who I generally despise) is more skilled than Lil B and is by no means "too serious" for his own good.

Also, Travis, LISTEN TO NUJABES. The fact that nobody responded to my comment about him awhile back indicates that you guys don't listen to him. And, you should. If J Dilla blows your mind, Nujabes will explode it into the next galaxy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fTGuW9tc_c

‪Nujabes - luv (sic.) pt 3 [ft.shing02]‬‏ - YouTube

LemonMelon · 07-27-2011, 11:07 AM

Re: Yonkers, I don't hold in the absurdly high esteem that most seem to, and to be honest, if no one had pointed it out to me as a standout, I never would have paid it the attention that I still unconsciously do. It's decent though, specifically in the lyrical department. Tyler's beats always suck.

Re: Nujabes, I'm on my phone, so I can't watch the videos, but your recommendations have never led me astray, so I'll hit that up later. J Dilla was one of the best things to happen to hip-hop in the past decade, so the comparison is high praise.

cobl04 · 07-27-2011, 03:57 PM

I have to give props to any track featuring the line "stab Bruno Mars in his goddam oesophagus"

LemonMelon · 08-01-2011, 03:18 AM

I have only heard one Nas album in full: Illmatic. And I have heard that one many, many times. I think I'm ready to proceed; where should I go from here?

For the record, I have partaken of some Nastradamus tracks, purely for laughs. And oh boy did I ever laugh my ass off. SHOOT 'EM UP, YEAH, SHOOT 'EM UP, WHAAT?! KILL KILL KILL, MURDA MURDA MURDA!

cobl04 · 08-01-2011, 03:29 AM

Me too, Cass will know but I've heard Stillmatic is good.

1. Aquemini
2. 36 Chambers
3. Illmatic

My top three. Pretty

but classics are classics.

onebloodonelife · 08-01-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

I have only heard one Nas album in full: Illmatic. And I have heard that one many, many times. I think I'm ready to proceed; where should I go from here?

For the record, I have partaken of some Nastradamus tracks, purely for laughs. And oh boy did I ever laugh my ass off. SHOOT 'EM UP, YEAH, SHOOT 'EM UP, WHAAT?! KILL KILL KILL, MURDA MURDA MURDA!

Stillmatic is the only other full album of Nas' that's worth it. He was hungry again, since he was feuding with Jay-Z at the time. He still has some fantastic one-off tracks on albums though, like "Made You Look" on God's Son. I haven't listened to the Untitled album, but his collab with Damien Marley, Distant Relatives, was also pretty solid.

So, yeah, Stillmatic and Distant Relatives are the only two I'd suggest seeking out in full.

LemonMelon · 08-02-2011, 06:22 AM

Listened to two highly revered hip-hop albums for the first time tonight, liked them both a great deal:

Nas - Stillmatic
I felt it started off pretty slow; I've never liked Ether nearly as much as Takeover, as it feels a little bit juvenile in its disses and doesn't have nearly as memorable of a beat. It's too angry...Takeover is the picture of cool. It takes a little while to build from there, with Got Urself A Gun and Smokin' mired in predictable hip-hop subject matter that betrays some strong beats. You Da Man is really good though, and from there, the album goes on a ridiculous tear. Rewind, One Mic and 2nd Childhood are all dazzling, and make the album worth listening to in and of themselves. The album remains good until My Country, and then there are a couple of strong tracks at the end to close the album on a high note. Overall, the production is a little tinny for my tastes and Nas is above some of the subject matter, but it goes hard for most of its run time.

2Pac - Me Against The World
I'll preface this by saying that I am by no means a fan of G-funk and west coast hip-hop. It's alright, but the squiggly synths and porno bass lines don't give me the same icy rush that so many beats from the east coast underground classics consistently do. So, the fact that I quite dug this is impressive. This is of course due largely to 2Pac's charisma and palpable humanity, as well as an avoidance of said west coast cliches on many tracks. There is some inconsistency in quality here...Can U Get Away is obvious filler, and Heavy In The Game is hideous, but I get the impression that 2Pac likes his albums long, so I guess I'll just have to deal with the shitty tracks, because Dear Mama and Old School are amazing. The quality in general is really damn high, those those two tracks are magical. Not a lot of complaints or comments beyond that, it's just kind of a downer in spots, but even though this isn't in general my thing, I can recognize the inherent artistry here. It's great shit.

cobl04 · 08-03-2011, 12:44 AM

I haven't heard any 2Pac albums, just a shitload of songs, and he's remarkable.

This song is fucking sickos:

‪Pusha T ft. Tyler, The Creator 'Trouble On My Mind' Official Video‬‏ - YouTube

Awesome beat. This is sort of beat I think would have taken Monster into the stratosphere.

LemonMelon · 08-03-2011, 02:28 AM

It's pretty good. Very, very few beats in the last few years can match Monster's though. Right up there with the best of Kanye.

cobl04 · 08-03-2011, 02:56 AM

See I don't think it's heavy enough. (Monster's)

LemonMelon · 08-03-2011, 03:09 AM

You ever crank that beat in a car with the bass up? Unbelievable.

bono_212 · 08-03-2011, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

You ever crank that beat in a car with the bass up? Unbelievable.

You ever flown a multi-engine plane before?

You ever been in a cockpit before?

You ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?

You ever seen a grown man naked?

cobl04 · 08-08-2011, 03:53 AM

Wu-Tang's Legendary Weapons is pretty good. Ghostface kills it. Apparently it's a "compilation album". I don't know what that means, is to suggest it's not a Wu Tang Clan album like 36 Chambers?

LemonMelon · 08-09-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Also, let me know if Dr. Lecter is any good. Seemed cool, but you can only listen to so much.

It's damn good.

Thanks, friggin Cobbler.

LemonMelon · 08-19-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by onebloodonelife

Also, Travis, LISTEN TO NUJABES

I DID (Metaphorical Music), and awwwww yeahhhhh that's my shit. So dreamy and beautiful, yet gritty enough to keep you from drifting off. The rapping was fine, but obviously the beats stole the show. I'll certainly listen to album #2 at some point soon.

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07-27-2011, 01:46 AM	#563
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,638 Local Time: 12:06 PM	So, does Lil B suck? I mean, is he supposed to be awful? Is that the point? I'm listening to I'm Gay (I'm Happy) and I can tell that he's a total amateur, unremarkable flow meeting fairly typical beats and yet...I absolutely love this. The lyrics are so damn charming and the beats suit the subject matter (as well as his flow) so well that I can get past the fact that it isn't some DJ Premier-level shit. I liked the Slant review that compared Lil B to Ariel Pink...he doesn't seem to have much interest in presenting himself in any specific way, but his passion for his art overwhelms any deficiency in skill.

07-27-2011, 02:50 AM	#564
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,638 Local Time: 12:06 PM	Oh, and for the record, as much as I despise Odd Future and the hollow, contrived crap they are passing off as "radical" and "iconoclastic," I can't deny that their contributions to hip-hop are a major part of what has made this among the more exciting years for the genre in quite some time. Hip-hop takes itself far too fucking seriously, and for a genre that had started to see a lot of the same faces retain the limelight in lieu of fresh faces, it's very refreshing that admittedly unskilled yet charming individuals like Lil B (and the less charming but certainly more skilled Odd Future, specifically Earl, who seriously needs to be freed soon) get some time in the limelight, and even make some decent music. While I'm not alright with shock taking precedence over quality, if the current controversies of these acts afford them the time to create works of art that receive the attention they deserve (and, in doing so, reflect positively on the genre as a whole) then I'm all for it. And let's not forget that quality hip-hop has been prevalent this year also, from artists not quite as youthful but just as fresh and passionate as their slightly more fringe contemporaries: Big KRIT and Curren$y released two of my favorite records of the year. The fact that Oneirology is even better than those is simply icing on the cake. I'm feeling as if something really thrilling is stirring in hip-hop, but a lot of bullshit is obscuring the big picture: fresh MCs and producers are beginning to file in, and they have talent. This can only be a good thing. If there's some backlash over them now, fuck it, I'm based.

07-27-2011, 07:13 AM	#565
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 58,488 Local Time: 05:06 AM	I don't get why people love Yonkers so much. I like it, but it doesn't go anywhere and the "chorus" is ordinary. She is my favourite track by miles and miles. BY THE WAY How has this not been even remotely discussed? I haven't heard it yet but I hear it's decent. Matter of fact bring out the girls and let's have a mud fight

07-27-2011, 11:07 AM	#567
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,638 Local Time: 12:06 PM	Re: Yonkers, I don't hold in the absurdly high esteem that most seem to, and to be honest, if no one had pointed it out to me as a standout, I never would have paid it the attention that I still unconsciously do. It's decent though, specifically in the lyrical department. Tyler's beats always suck. Re: Nujabes, I'm on my phone, so I can't watch the videos, but your recommendations have never led me astray, so I'll hit that up later. J Dilla was one of the best things to happen to hip-hop in the past decade, so the comparison is high praise.

07-27-2011, 03:57 PM	#568
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 58,488 Local Time: 05:06 AM	I have to give props to any track featuring the line "stab Bruno Mars in his goddam oesophagus"

08-01-2011, 03:18 AM	#569
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,638 Local Time: 12:06 PM	I have only heard one Nas album in full: Illmatic. And I have heard that one many, many times. I think I'm ready to proceed; where should I go from here? For the record, I have partaken of some Nastradamus tracks, purely for laughs. And oh boy did I ever laugh my ass off. SHOOT 'EM UP, YEAH, SHOOT 'EM UP, WHAAT?! KILL KILL KILL, MURDA MURDA MURDA!

08-01-2011, 03:29 AM	#570
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 58,488 Local Time: 05:06 AM	Me too, Cass will know but I've heard Stillmatic is good. 1. Aquemini 2. 36 Chambers 3. Illmatic My top three. Pretty but classics are classics.

08-02-2011, 06:22 AM	#572
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,638 Local Time: 12:06 PM	Listened to two highly revered hip-hop albums for the first time tonight, liked them both a great deal: Nas - Stillmatic I felt it started off pretty slow; I've never liked Ether nearly as much as Takeover, as it feels a little bit juvenile in its disses and doesn't have nearly as memorable of a beat. It's too angry...Takeover is the picture of cool. It takes a little while to build from there, with Got Urself A Gun and Smokin' mired in predictable hip-hop subject matter that betrays some strong beats. You Da Man is really good though, and from there, the album goes on a ridiculous tear. Rewind, One Mic and 2nd Childhood are all dazzling, and make the album worth listening to in and of themselves. The album remains good until My Country, and then there are a couple of strong tracks at the end to close the album on a high note. Overall, the production is a little tinny for my tastes and Nas is above some of the subject matter, but it goes hard for most of its run time. 2Pac - Me Against The World I'll preface this by saying that I am by no means a fan of G-funk and west coast hip-hop. It's alright, but the squiggly synths and porno bass lines don't give me the same icy rush that so many beats from the east coast underground classics consistently do. So, the fact that I quite dug this is impressive. This is of course due largely to 2Pac's charisma and palpable humanity, as well as an avoidance of said west coast cliches on many tracks. There is some inconsistency in quality here...Can U Get Away is obvious filler, and Heavy In The Game is hideous, but I get the impression that 2Pac likes his albums long, so I guess I'll just have to deal with the shitty tracks, because Dear Mama and Old School are amazing. The quality in general is really damn high, those those two tracks are magical. Not a lot of complaints or comments beyond that, it's just kind of a downer in spots, but even though this isn't in general my thing, I can recognize the inherent artistry here. It's great shit.

08-03-2011, 02:28 AM	#574
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,638 Local Time: 12:06 PM	It's pretty good. Very, very few beats in the last few years can match Monster's though. Right up there with the best of Kanye.

08-03-2011, 02:56 AM	#575
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 58,488 Local Time: 05:06 AM	See I don't think it's heavy enough. (Monster's)

08-03-2011, 03:09 AM	#576
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,638 Local Time: 12:06 PM	You ever crank that beat in a car with the bass up? Unbelievable.

08-08-2011, 03:53 AM	#578
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 58,488 Local Time: 05:06 AM	Wu-Tang's Legendary Weapons is pretty good. Ghostface kills it. Apparently it's a "compilation album". I don't know what that means, is to suggest it's not a Wu Tang Clan album like 36 Chambers?