Jack Bauer
The Fly
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Aerosmith, after the comeback.
Stones after Tattoo You/Some Girls.
I don't consider Aerosmith's COMMERCIAL comeback some kind of artistic triumph. They still sucked, they just hired hitmaker songwriters (like enemy-of-art Desmond Child, or Jim Vallance, another tool who helped write many Bryan Adams hits) to give them some pop singles, and the masses lined up at the trough. There's only 3 songs on Permanent Vacation that were written by the band members without any outside help, and the big three singles (Angel, Dude Looks Like a Lady, and Rag Doll) all had co-writers. This trend continued with What It Takes on the next album, and all four singles from Get a Grip.
They're sellout whores, and have sucked since they stopped doing drugs.
R.E.M. has sucked and recovered and sucked again.
I consider Automatic For The People a HUGE improvement over Green and Out Of Time.
WTF?
The only "comeback" REM has ever had was after their album Around the Sun came out in 2003. It wasn't exactly critically or commercially acclaimed. Hell, even the band wasn't so crazy about it. But, their next album, Accelerate, which was released in 2008 was both a critical and somewhat commercial success.
Green was REM's first album with Warner Brothers and it was both a huge commercial and critical success. And Out of Time skyrocketed REM into the stratosphere. Just because you didn't like these albums doesn't make them failures.
IMO, R.E.M. has sucked and recovered and sucked again. IMO.
I consider Automatic For The People a HUGE improvement over Green and Out Of Time. This is something that I consider. IMO.
Better?
I honestly don't care if Green and Out Of Time were commercial successes, as it's ultimately irrelevant to what one considers an artistic achievement. On a more subjective level, I consider both records creatively stagnant; a notable slump between Document and Automatic For The People, two classic records. IMO.
Almost. Not only were these albums commercial successes, they were also "critical" successes. But, a wild guess says you couldn't give a shit either way, because you found them "creatively stagnant". It almost sounds like you listened to them when they first came out. But, alas, you didn't and I'm pretty sure you know why. Green came out in 1988 when you weren't even born and Out of Time came out when you were barely a part of this world. Sometimes, you just had to have been there. I was 15 and 18 respectively when those 2 albums came out, so I definitely remember the positive reception they received. I didn't read about it years later on the internet. I lived it while it was going down. There was no notable slump. There was only steady progression.
By the way, its a given that whatever you are saying is "your opinion". There's no need to type "IMO". We already know its your opinion. No need to remind us. Like I said, that's known as "a given". Just a little tip for you.
Fair enough. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that. I just find Document and Automatic far superior to the two albums in between. No biggie.
Whether or not I type IMO after every statement I make is completely irrelevant to whether or not the statements I make are my opinion. They just are. However, you seemed to be extraordinarily disturbed by my opinion, so I wanted to make it clear that it is, in fact, just that.
Mr. Pryck, you should join us in the voting in our R.E.M. Survivor contest we got goin on right now. It seems you know the band pretty well, and we need all the votes we can get! The more the merrier.
/salesman
I got that it was your opinion. I wasn't "extraordinarily disturbed" by your opinion, but that is a pretty cool adverb. Anyway, I just slightly disagreed with your opinion, which you are definitely entitled to. I just wanted to give you a different perspective about those 2 particular albums' places in rock and roll history from someone who was actually there.
By the way, I do actually agree with you that Automatic and Document were better than Green and Out of Time, but those albums were pretty good too. Peace!
Walk out into the sunburst street and sing your heart out, Mr. Mac.
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