Until The End of The World - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > United Colours > The Goal Is Soul
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-05-2004, 03:24 PM   #1
Babyface
 
psalm40's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 5
Local Time: 02:47 PM
Until The End of The World

A song about Judas Iscariot and Jesus? Parts like
Quote:
Last time we met was a low-lit room
We were as close together as a bride and groom
We ate the food, we drank the wine
Everybody having a good time
Except you
You were talking about the end of the world
It sounds like Bono is referring to the Last Supper right there. Does anyone agree?
__________________

psalm40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2004, 04:23 PM   #2
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 41,228
Local Time: 08:47 AM
I don't think there's any doubt.

It alludes to the last supper, the kiss, the taking of the money, and his suicide. Plus there are several live versions of Bono screaming out "hey Judas" at the opening of the song.
__________________

BVS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2004, 11:57 PM   #3
The Fly
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 199
Local Time: 02:47 PM
The allusions to Judas and The Last Supper in "Until The End of the World" are numerous. A reference is not only made about The Last Supper, but also to a garden and a kiss. The story Judas has him betray Christ with a kiss in a garden. After betraying Christ, Judas was struck with immediate regret. The end of the song is appropriate in its confession of "I reached out for the one I tried to destroy."

Have you seen the video for "Until The End of the World"? It is featured on my Interference From Zoo-TV video.
dlihcraw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2004, 12:36 AM   #4
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
RockNRollDawgie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey, USA
Posts: 3,544
Local Time: 10:47 AM
Excellent story-telling by Bono. Yes, without a doubt, the song
is about Judas, his betrayal of Christ, and the guilt he feels right before he commits suicide by hanging.
RockNRollDawgie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2004, 02:40 AM   #5
Vocal parasite
 
Axver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: 1853
Posts: 152,891
Local Time: 12:47 AM
Yep, the others are right. Regularly before live performances, Bono has yelled out "Hey Jeeesus, this is Juuudas!"
__________________
"Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard

Ian McCulloch the U2 fan:
"Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat."
"And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth."

U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database!
Gig pictures | Blog
Axver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2004, 05:31 AM   #6
War Child
 
~*Buffalo*~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Small-Town Slovakia
Posts: 574
Local Time: 03:47 PM
That's definitely what it's about. I went to see "The Passion" today, and really (for the first time, actually) understood the whole story when we read it at church yesterday ... I was reminded of all these lines out of U2 songs that had to do with the Passion.

From UTEOTW:

In the garden I was playing the tart
I kissed your lips and broke your heart.
You, you were acting like it was the end of the world

And also from ISHFWILF:

You broke the bonds
And you loosed the chains
Carried the cross of my shame
Oh my shame, you know I believe it.

I love the way Bono can write a Biblical reference so seamlessly into a song, as he did with these two and with so many more. It is very ... comforting, I suppose ... there's just something nice about knowing MY favourite band understand the importance of Christianity.
~*Buffalo*~ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2004, 07:47 PM   #7
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 06:47 AM
And don't forget When Love Comes to Town:

I was there when they crucified my Lord
I held the scabbard when the soldier drew his sword.
I threw the dice when they pierced his side
But I've seen love conquer the great divide.
nbcrusader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2004, 09:43 PM   #8
genius of compression
Forum Moderator
 
neutral's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: forty miles from atlanta, this is nowhere
Posts: 13,030
Local Time: 10:47 AM
I know this thread is kinda old, but I'm getting a little obsessed with this song.

Is this written from the perspective of Jesus to Judas, or of a conversation between the two? know it's about Judas's betrayal, and in the Elevation at Notre Dame bootleg he screams out "Judas this is Jesus" when opening the song. But the 2nd and 3rd verses are from the perspective of Judas, right?

Also, what is this referring to? Did Judas spike Jesus's wine at some point?

Quote:
I took the money
I spiked your drink
__________________

neutral @ interference.com
neutral is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2004, 03:32 AM   #9
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
RockNRollDawgie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey, USA
Posts: 3,544
Local Time: 10:47 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by neutral
I know this thread is kinda old, but I'm getting a little obsessed with this song.

Is this written from the perspective of Jesus to Judas, or of a conversation between the two? know it's about Judas's betrayal, and in the Elevation at Notre Dame bootleg he screams out "Judas this is Jesus" when opening the song. But the 2nd and 3rd verses are from the perspective of Judas, right?

Also, what is this referring to? Did Judas spike Jesus's wine at some point?

I've read interviews with Bono where he says it is a conversation
between Judas and Jesus. To me, it sounds more like a one-sided
conversation with just Judas talking.
Wow! Wasn't aware of the Notre Dame performance. Throws a
whole different light on the song. OH! THought of something.
"Judas this is Jesus" may be setting the plot line for what is to follow. We know now Judas and Jesus are going to be involved in this story (song).
I'm pretty sure after Bono yells and the song begins, it's all
Judas' perspective on the events.
I think Judas did spike the wine Jesus drank at Last Supper. I'm not 100% certain of this though.
RockNRollDawgie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2004, 10:58 PM   #10
Acrobat
 
PennyPyro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: the mind of God
Posts: 403
Local Time: 02:47 PM
I thought it was "Jesus, this is Judas"
PennyPyro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2004, 04:36 PM   #11
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
RockNRollDawgie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: New Jersey, USA
Posts: 3,544
Local Time: 10:47 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by PennyPyro
I thought it was "Jesus, this is Judas"
Me too. I've never heard of the version where it switched
around.
RockNRollDawgie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2004, 06:17 AM   #12
Vocal parasite
 
Axver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: 1853
Posts: 152,891
Local Time: 12:47 AM
I didn't think it was ever switched ...
__________________
"Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard

Ian McCulloch the U2 fan:
"Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat."
"And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth."

U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database!
Gig pictures | Blog
Axver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2004, 03:33 AM   #13
genius of compression
Forum Moderator
 
neutral's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: forty miles from atlanta, this is nowhere
Posts: 13,030
Local Time: 10:47 AM
It wasn't. I just listened to the Notre Dame bootleg again. I have
-no- idea why I accidentally switched it around when I posted that. Oops.

Too much wine on the brain that night perhaps.
__________________

neutral @ interference.com
neutral is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2004, 09:46 PM   #14
New Yorker
 
The Disciple's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,599
Local Time: 10:47 AM
I think the "spike" refers 2 dipping the bread in the same cup as Jesus....remember....read Ur Gospels.
The Disciple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2004, 06:37 PM   #15
Blue Crack Addict
 
starsgoblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Looking for direction to perfection
Posts: 17,828
Local Time: 09:47 AM
The best place to look up Bono's biblical references would be from Eugene Peterson's The Message. Bono quotes Psalm 116 verbatim during the Boston Elevation concert.... and also Psalm 51:15 during the superbowl
starsgoblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2004, 08:27 PM   #16
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
biff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: I may have lost my way
Posts: 4,014
Local Time: 09:47 AM
Actually, that would NOT be the best place to look up lyrical/ biblical references, since The Message pre-dates most of Bono's lyrics. Try earlier versions of the Bible, along with MANY other sources.
biff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2004, 09:51 PM   #17
Blue Crack Addict
 
starsgoblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Looking for direction to perfection
Posts: 17,828
Local Time: 09:47 AM
Well, that's the version that Bono has publicly said he thinks it the most useful and been needed for a long time. It doesn't really matter to me...a Bible is a Bible is a Bible, as long as you use it it doesn't matter what translation.
starsgoblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2004, 10:10 PM   #18
Refugee
 
-macphisto-'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,401
Local Time: 02:47 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by starsgoblue
Well, that's the version that Bono has publicly said he thinks it the most useful and been needed for a long time. It doesn't really matter to me...a Bible is a Bible is a Bible, as long as you use it it doesn't matter what translation.
Judas did not spike Jesus's wine, I think when bono mentions that lyrically, he is talking about how Judas will betray him, which Jesus knows already. Just read your bible any of the 4 books of the gospel, Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John.

Also you do have a point about a Bible is a Bible, but I think it does matter what translation you use, becasue if you read the Jehovas Witnesses bible, and the catholic bible, and compare them, they are two totally diffrent bibles.WHY, becasue of man.In most cases now a days religions translate and make changes to bibles to suit there beliefs. They take out many important doctrines from the bible, and the bible has been translated so many times, from language to language, and through so many translations you lose valuable doctrines that people have no right to change or take away from the prophets words.
I personally prefer the King James Version of the BIble, it has been translated the least, and has not been changed or switched around to meet a religion needs.
-macphisto- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2004, 11:25 PM   #19
Blue Crack Addict
 
starsgoblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Looking for direction to perfection
Posts: 17,828
Local Time: 09:47 AM
Ok MacPhisto...I never ever said the spiking of the wine is from the Bible. Ever ever. Maybe I posted right after someone so you thought I was implying that. So I hope that's understood.

I understand what you mean about Bibles...I don't really believe JW or Book of Mormon to be considered conventially accepted Bibles-for the same reason you gave. When I speak of translations I meant things like KJV, NKJV, NIV, MSG...things like that. I'm not getting into the KJV argument, but I do think it's an excellent translation.

What's most important to me is that someone finds a Bible that is a) an trustworthy translation and b)one that they are going to read. There is so much imagery/allusions/references/simulations in U2's lyrics; some people can catch onto rather quickly (ie UTEOTW) and others are alot more subtle.
starsgoblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2004, 09:04 AM   #20
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
babyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: On an open cluster called Pleiades
Posts: 6,246
Local Time: 04:47 PM
Re: Until The End of The World

Quote:
Originally posted by psalm40
A song about Judas Iscariot and Jesus? Parts like

It sounds like Bono is referring to the Last Supper right there. Does anyone agree?

it's clear expressed
__________________

babyman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com
×