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Old 07-26-2005, 10:53 AM   #21
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Mr Elvis could you please repost that in gigantic red font?
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Old 07-26-2005, 10:56 AM   #22
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Mr Elvis could you please repost that in gigantic red font?
I suppose I could... but then people would think that I'm a freak. But hey, it would get my point across wouldnt it? I mean.. shoving ideas down peoples throats is the best way to win them over isnt it?
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Excuse my french, but you're [#$#$#$ - I'm a real Christian] insane if you think this site, and U2 fans are out to fight any religious purpose.
That's not what the copies I have of this and some other interference.com threads PROVE.

Even your CHANGING the line under my name to "Religious nut" (its being copied right now) - wow, you're really doing yourself in! Suggestion: Stop the corrupt behavior - then it can't be said its what you practice - otherwise, your guilty-as-charged to the Big Guy.
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So now people who say "fuck" aren't real Christians?

oops, guess I'm not one either.
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Old 07-26-2005, 11:02 AM   #25
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Last time I checked the god I believe in didnt ever mention anything about overtaking others, nor about trying to judge others, or annoying the living crap out of people by shoving their beliefs down their throats.

And since you're a 'real christian' could you please inform 99.9% of the rest of the christians out there that they are 'FAKE CHRISTIANS'? I'm sure they'll all be sure to agree.

And for the record, I'm not a real christian or a fake christian.
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Old 07-26-2005, 11:26 AM   #26
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That's not what the copies I have of this and some other interference.com threads PROVE.

Even your CHANGING line under my name to "Religious nut" - wow, you're really doing yourself in! Suggestion: Stop the corrupt behavior - then it can't be said its what you practice - otherwise, your guilty-as-charged to the Big Guy.

For your information, 'Religious Nut' is part of lyrics in a U2 song. You should be honored.
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Really sad for you that you've let anyone convince you that you do not have the right to speak your mind. Mental/spiritual enslavement to men? How awful. Glad I don't let myself be chained to those fetters.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, in principle. I, however, think you're directing your energies in trivial directions, that's all.

As someone who has been very outspoken in this forum for the last five years, I've learned my limitations as to what is "effective." If you get too inflammatory, I will tell you that everything will fall on deaf ears, no matter what you say.

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For your information, 'Religious Nut' is part of lyrics in a U2 song. You should be honored.
In a way, I do feel honored.

However, such a phrase can also be used to be hurtful, so, we'll see.....


Yes, there are those who this world considers to be "religious nuts" in "New York"... but also in Ireland..."London, Belfast, and Berlin" - and I am one of them too, and proud of it. (However, we are NOT "political fanatics", at all.)

BTW, I live in the U.S., but did witness to people, frequently - live and in person - in Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, and other places while traveling this summer - to people who came from Poland, Rome, Africa, etc. It's the same message for everyone, and those who listen to it get hope that is based on what is REAL.
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Yes, there are those who this world considers to be "religious nuts" in "New York"... but also in Ireland..."London, Belfast, and Berlin" - and I am one of them too, and proud of it. (However, we are NOT "political fanatics", at all.)
I'd tend to disagree w/you. 'Overtake' is a term of strong agression, and there is nowhere in Judeo-Christian biblical writings that suggest such action. Such agression though is often demonstrated in order to achieve political goals. Since you like to refer to all of us in the company of Hitler, I'd suggest that you turn the microscope on yourself and tell me how your agression and intolerance of those that don't believe exactly as you do is justified. Hitler did the same thing... murdered or enslaved those that didnt see things the way he did.
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Well, you have taken what I wrote out of context and are misapplying it entirely.

God will have Jesus with his heavenly army (consisting of spirit beings ONLY) remove all opposers of Yahweh's rightful Sovereignty off the face of this planet, at Armageddon. (Revelation 19:11-20)

Prior to that, God, in justice/fairness, is seeing that everyone on earth gets a chance to hear his words about his (heaven-based) Kingdom with its rule coming to this earth. Along with that "good news" also come God's warning messages that humans disobedient to him will not be allowed to be part of his new world system here (2 Thessalonians 1:6-8); and also what God's requirements are for people to survive Armageddon to be part of that paradise. These messages of God's blessings AND judgments and warnings (see Ezekiel 33:8,9) are delivered, according to his Scripturally stated will, by his dedicated and true human servants to their fellow human beings. (Matthew 28:19,20; Isaiah 54:17; John 17:14-18) It is God's purpose that everyone on earth get an opportunity to hear of these things, and so they will. Nothing can stop word of mouth - especially when it is backed by God's spirit, Jesus Christ, and God's angels and other heavenly servants - God's MESSAGES will "overtake" the earth.

After everyone has has their chance to choose whether or not they care to listen to and obey their Maker, "then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14). My hope (and yours should be) that this preaching/warning work will be done, soon - so that the "end" of this horrible world system will come.

Jehovah/Yahweh's true servants are the harmless ones in this world. Not only are we politically neutral and un-nationalistic; but we have consistently comprised the bulk of all conscientious objectors - even through two world wars.

Hitler found that he had a real adversary in Jehovah's people - they would not budge in their loyalty to God against this monster. Satan played that up. Hilter ended up, along with cheering churches of Christendom, making a "special case" of trying to "exterminate" them out of Germany - men, women and children. If you wish, you too can go visit the National Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., where, carved in black stone above the permanent exhibit is part of Isaiah 43:12, which reads, "You are my witnesses." As a historian's (I believe it was, in part, by Christine King - I don't have it or my notes with me) brochure from there explained, there were core ideological differences between Hitler's murderous regime and the "Earnest Bible Students" - as Jehovah's Witnesses were still referred to there at that time. Jehovah/Yahweh's people warned others early-on what Hitler was doing to the Jews, even sending him telegrams decrying its wickedness. False religious leaders of Christendom exploited this opportunity, with one church in particular officially accepting the "assignment" to seek out and "turn in" Jehovah's people.

While in the concentration camps, Jehovah's people even shared their bread with the Jews. They also made more converts while in those prison camps. As I recall, about 1200 died, and about 6000 were imprisoned and suffered. 200-some young men were executed. Unique to the Witnesses there - ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS SIGN A PAPER SAYING THEY RENOUNCED THEIR FAITH AND THEY COULD GO FREE.READ (It's the same thought, from the same source): "All of this, all of this can be yours/ All of this, all of this can be yours/ All of this, all of this can be yours/ Just GIVE ME WHAT I WANT, AND NO ONE GETS HURT." Satan to Jesus - "All these things I will give you; IF YOU WILL FALL DOWN AND DO AN ACT OF WORSHIP TO ME." (Matthew 4:9) Only a few ever signed that paper, and of the ones that did, some, disgusted with the Nazis, even boldly asked to have their signatures revoked.

I got to see a U2 show lately at Olympiastadion in Germany lately. It was built by Hiltler. (I spent the day there, waiting under a clock tower, looking up at the clouds passing by it; pondering these things; witnessing; and thinking of a poem having to do with this setting, human foolishness, the passage of time, the lasting nature of truth, integrity, and God - how he views the works of men and time, compared to how humans often view them...) I know that since Hiltler's day, many thousands of Jehovah's people have assembled there to exalt his Scriptural truth and praise his name in song - in spite of all the propaganda of Satan and his spirit and human forces in this world.

I knew that, probably, again this night, here U2 would probably defile God's name and misrepresent his purposes again by showing spiritistic/pagan symbols of false religions while singing a song to and about "Yahweh"....

That is why I came in with a banner that night, to the very rail of the B-stage and (again) got to hold a sign right up to Bono's face. For the record, this one said,

YAHWEH
HIS WORDS
ONE TRUTH


"Something that is real."

Its for these same reasons that I've spent effort writing on these message boards. If you think Armageddon isn't speeding on its way and that people don't need to hurry up to listen and learn and and change their ways, guess again. If you think Jehovah/Yahweh isn't mighty serious about the sanctification of his name and his purposes, which his very name, in truth, bespeaks ["HE CAUSES TO BECOME"] you need to guess again.
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