I don't believe in religion... - Page 3

Party Boy · 04-05-2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally posted by TwoAmericas

I agree 100 percent. When you die, your existence is over. There is no heaven or hell. God does not exist.

Just wondering how your so sure god does not exist?

Party Boy · 04-05-2005, 04:59 AM

I was brought up a Catholic in a not too strict house. I've become lapsed somewhat over the past few years, more out of laziness and more out of the feeling that I don't need to go to church to believe in God, so I guess I am not such a fan of organised religion. This weeks events with passing of Pope has rekindled my faith somewhat.

That said, I do believe in God (whether its seen as a higher spirit or whatever). While organised religion has a lot of flaws, a lot of morals and code of conduct on how we should live comes from religion. My countries constitution is built around the teachings of Catholic Church (Ireland) which in turn has given most of my fellow countrymen a code to live by.

If you found out with concrete proof that God did NOT exist, how would you feel? Personally, I would feel very alone, depressed and my life would lose a huge amount of meaning.

A lot of religions asks its followers to have faith and to believe. A lot of people cannot believe in something they cannot see or touch which turns them away from religion.

Deep down however, I think these same people want to believe in something and would equally be as depressed if they found out that god truly did not exist.

Religion in whatever guise it comes in, is a very personal relationship between an individual and the God they believe in. I am glad I have this relationship and I'm sure in some peoples eyes, maybe I am foolish and sending prayers into the great emptiness of nothing. However, I get relief and comfort and no one can take that away from me and which I am grateful for.

beli · 04-05-2005, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by Party Boy
Deep down however, I think these same people ......would equally be as depressed if they found out that god truly did not exist.

Nup. Why? I'm an athiest. If I thought for a minute there was a god/s I would admit so. The church is the pointy building. It's not difficult to locate.

Party Boy · 04-05-2005, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by beli

Nup. Why? I'm an athiest. If I thought for a minute there was a god/s I would admit so. The church is the pointy building. It's not difficult to locate.

Fair enough for you. Maybe I made a general sweeping statement with what I said. I should clarify the statement relates to people I know.

There is more to a religion than a pointy building. And like I said previously, personal relationship with the God you do believe in takes place outside of the pointy building.

beli · 04-05-2005, 05:26 AM

I meant, if I wanted help finding God, I know where the pointy building is. My apologies if that was unclear.

Party Boy · 04-05-2005, 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by beli
I meant, if I wanted help finding God, I know where the pointy building is. My apologies if that was unclear.

Um.. who was trying to help you find God?! I wasn't if you think for some reason I was??

If you do believe in a God or religion, you will find it everywhere, including the pointy building. If you don't believe, then yeah your right, the pointy building is a good place to start.

beli · 04-05-2005, 05:39 AM

lol. Its late.

No I didnt think you were trying to help me find God. I meant if I did want to investigate into it I would walk into a church and ask questions. Churchs are easy to find, where I live anyway.

All I meant was I don't find it depressing not having a God. If I did find it depressing I'd go investigate the different God options.

Party Boy · 04-05-2005, 06:05 AM

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Originally posted by beli
lol. Its late.

No I didnt think you were trying to help me find God. I meant if I did want to investigate into it I would walk into a church and ask questions. Churchs are easy to find, where I live anyway.

All I meant was I don't find it depressing not having a God. If I did find it depressing I'd go investigate the different God options.

Sorry if you thought I was having a go - your entitled to believe (or not as case may be!) in whatever you want. Similarly people who do believe in god should be allowed to believe without any prejudice etc. Btw, I might come across all very holy. In fact, if I went to confession tomorrow, I probably wont get out till Thursday. Thats the downside of being Catholic - this whole Catholic guilt thing is very much real!!

Btw, your in W. Australia? Am flying to Oz friday morning for 3 weeks holidays!!

beli · 04-05-2005, 03:25 PM

Enjoy your holiday. I'm presuming your not visiting my side of the Isle.

The weather is good right now, its just turning into autumn so theres less stinking hot days. Its still warm enough for a tshirt and bare feet but its not brainfryingly hot.

Party Boy · 04-06-2005, 02:14 AM

Not this time. Going east coast to stay with some friends in both Sydney and Burliegh (about 45 mins north of Byron Bay). One of my sisters married an australian guy and they live in Perth plus I am probably moving to Malaysia with work end of the year so Western OZ will become a little closer to home soon..

beli · 04-06-2005, 02:29 AM

I could make a bigoted (sp?) comment and ask if your sister lives in Rockingham or Kallaroo, but I won't.

When you are nearby you can attend the U2 Perth fan club meetings. Currently we have 2 members. Me and ME2U2

Party Boy · 04-06-2005, 02:33 AM

hmm.. not sure.. they are living about 18 kil from centre of Perth, out in the sticks somewhere.. so... probably none of the above!! Am guessing out of the two places you named, one is good and one is very bad??!

beli · 04-06-2005, 02:37 AM

Nah, both are full of Poms. But I just remembered that your brother in law is Australian so thats probably not applicable.

18kms out. I'm about 18kms out. North? East? or South? Im guessing you have no idea but I thought I would ask anyway.

Tania · 04-06-2005, 02:50 AM

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Originally posted by beli
I could make a bigoted (sp?) comment and ask if your sister lives in Rockingham or Kallaroo, but I won't.

When you are nearby you can attend the U2 Perth fan club meetings. Currently we have 2 members. Me and ME2U2

Please let me know when you are having your next membership drive. I would like to sign up.

Back to the topic.

To me (and I stress this is my opinion only) "religion" is an excuse for a lot of power hungry/control freaks to use fear (ie you won't get to heaven) to gain wealth and status through their particular churches. (I am not talking about the general population of a particular religious group more those who take on positions within a church and use/abuse).

NOW - before everyone has hysterics!

It doesn't mean that you can't have faith, but ANYBODY who practises the various edicts of their religion should have no need for many of the material possessions that many churches seem to have, especially when there are so many poor people in the world.

I guess that is why I am not of any particular religious denomination.

Oh and Party Boy, I live 18km's from Perth and its not in the sticks (lol)

beli · 04-06-2005, 02:56 AM

Sorry Tania. We should get you and Palace to visit.

Or maybe we can trek down there.

Party Boy · 04-06-2005, 04:33 AM

18 clicks from Perth is the sticks if you saw where my sister and her hubby lives! Am not knocking it as it looks great!

Have no idea what direction other than they live no where near any poms .. surrounded by lots of nice australian folk (thats how my sister described the neighbours anyway...)

Tania · 04-06-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by beli
Sorry Tania. We should get you and Palace to visit.

Or maybe we can trek down there.

Oh, I know how hard it is for you north of the river types (LOL) but it would be great to catch up.

uwwedoogie · 05-11-2005, 06:49 PM

Id like a palace... I could call it: "My Palace"

beli · 05-11-2005, 08:07 PM

Spooky timing. Tania and I were pming each other last night to arrange a time to catch up

04-05-2005, 04:59 AM	#42
Party Boy Refugee Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Toronto. From Kildare, Ireland originally. Posts: 1,414 Local Time: 09:48 PM	I was brought up a Catholic in a not too strict house. I've become lapsed somewhat over the past few years, more out of laziness and more out of the feeling that I don't need to go to church to believe in God, so I guess I am not such a fan of organised religion. This weeks events with passing of Pope has rekindled my faith somewhat. That said, I do believe in God (whether its seen as a higher spirit or whatever). While organised religion has a lot of flaws, a lot of morals and code of conduct on how we should live comes from religion. My countries constitution is built around the teachings of Catholic Church (Ireland) which in turn has given most of my fellow countrymen a code to live by. If you found out with concrete proof that God did NOT exist, how would you feel? Personally, I would feel very alone, depressed and my life would lose a huge amount of meaning. A lot of religions asks its followers to have faith and to believe. A lot of people cannot believe in something they cannot see or touch which turns them away from religion. Deep down however, I think these same people want to believe in something and would equally be as depressed if they found out that god truly did not exist. Religion in whatever guise it comes in, is a very personal relationship between an individual and the God they believe in. I am glad I have this relationship and I'm sure in some peoples eyes, maybe I am foolish and sending prayers into the great emptiness of nothing. However, I get relief and comfort and no one can take that away from me and which I am grateful for. __________________

05-11-2005, 08:07 PM	#59
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 04:48 AM	Spooky timing. Tania and I were pming each other last night to arrange a time to catch up __________________

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04-05-2005, 05:26 AM	#45
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 04:48 AM	I meant, if I wanted help finding God, I know where the pointy building is. My apologies if that was unclear.

04-05-2005, 05:39 AM	#47
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 04:48 AM	lol. Its late. No I didnt think you were trying to help me find God. I meant if I did want to investigate into it I would walk into a church and ask questions. Churchs are easy to find, where I live anyway. All I meant was I don't find it depressing not having a God. If I did find it depressing I'd go investigate the different God options.

04-05-2005, 03:25 PM	#49
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 04:48 AM	Enjoy your holiday. I'm presuming your not visiting my side of the Isle. The weather is good right now, its just turning into autumn so theres less stinking hot days. Its still warm enough for a tshirt and bare feet but its not brainfryingly hot.

04-06-2005, 02:14 AM	#50
Party Boy Refugee Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Toronto. From Kildare, Ireland originally. Posts: 1,414 Local Time: 09:48 PM	Not this time. Going east coast to stay with some friends in both Sydney and Burliegh (about 45 mins north of Byron Bay). One of my sisters married an australian guy and they live in Perth plus I am probably moving to Malaysia with work end of the year so Western OZ will become a little closer to home soon..

04-06-2005, 02:29 AM	#51
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 04:48 AM	I could make a bigoted (sp?) comment and ask if your sister lives in Rockingham or Kallaroo, but I won't. When you are nearby you can attend the U2 Perth fan club meetings. Currently we have 2 members. Me and ME2U2

04-06-2005, 02:33 AM	#52
Party Boy Refugee Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Toronto. From Kildare, Ireland originally. Posts: 1,414 Local Time: 09:48 PM	hmm.. not sure.. they are living about 18 kil from centre of Perth, out in the sticks somewhere.. so... probably none of the above!! Am guessing out of the two places you named, one is good and one is very bad??!

04-06-2005, 02:37 AM	#53
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 04:48 AM	Nah, both are full of Poms. But I just remembered that your brother in law is Australian so thats probably not applicable. 18kms out. I'm about 18kms out. North? East? or South? Im guessing you have no idea but I thought I would ask anyway.

04-06-2005, 02:56 AM	#55
beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,464 Local Time: 04:48 AM	Sorry Tania. We should get you and Palace to visit. Or maybe we can trek down there.

04-06-2005, 04:33 AM	#56
Party Boy Refugee Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Toronto. From Kildare, Ireland originally. Posts: 1,414 Local Time: 09:48 PM	18 clicks from Perth is the sticks if you saw where my sister and her hubby lives! Am not knocking it as it looks great! Have no idea what direction other than they live no where near any poms .. surrounded by lots of nice australian folk (thats how my sister described the neighbours anyway...)

05-11-2005, 06:49 PM	#58
uwwedoogie Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cork, Ireland... IM BACK! Posts: 3,618 Local Time: 08:48 PM	Id like a palace... I could call it: "My Palace"