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Old 07-28-2009, 04:04 PM   #1
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Magic and Mentalism Appreciation Thread

I have been a professional magician and mentalist (mind reader) for the past 5 years.

It is unfortunate that magic has been dumbed down so much in the past 40 years. It is one of the most beautiful art forms, and it really is more for adults than kids. The performance of the impossible can be poetic, artistic, and sometimes life changing. Unfortunately there are only a few performers however that are artistic, and I am hoping to share and discuss them here as well as perhaps introducing many of you to some beautiful performances (one of them even set to a U2 song).

Magic is not real, and psychic powers are debatable. But magic has never really been about convincing anyone of anything "real" but it has also never been about "tricks." Magic is about creating uncertainty. We have tons of uncertainty in our life, and magic shows us that things are not necessarily what we might have expected them to be. Magic reflects our hopes, dreams, impossibilities, and our own uncertainties. If you think about it, the idea is actually quite beautiful... performing something thought to be impossible.

This thread is not about discussing methods and secrets, but I hope rather for appreciation. Please dont try to reveal what you think a method might be, and you will probably be wrong anyways.

Here are a few of my favorite illusions/ performances/ etc...

1. Derren Brown. - The best mentalist and hypnotist alive today (in my opinion). If you have not seen him.. I guarantee he is unlike any "magic" you have ever seen. Truly fascinating and thought provoking.











2. Jeff McBride - True Magic Poetry and a personal friend





3. David Copperfield - yes, sometimes he is cheesy, but he has created beautiful art. One of my favorite illusions. and its set to "In the name of the father" by Bono/ Gavin Friday!!!



Not an artistic magician, but a really cool and visual one: Hans Klok

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ELFA, was that necessary? Really? The whole point of this was for magic to be taken seriously.
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Hogwarts is the place to go if you want magic.
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ELFA, was that necessary? Really? The whole point of this was for magic to be taken seriously.
I'm pretty sure "magic" and "seriously" cannot be used in the same sentence but if I have insulted anyone's sensibilities, my apologies.
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Well anyways, since this is obviously just going to turn into one huge joke thread, before that happens, I just wanted to say thank you zooropop for the links, I've always been hugely into the artistic side of magic, and the thread is appreciated.
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^ haha glad someone appreciates it.

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I'm pretty sure "magic" and "seriously" cannot be used in the same sentence but if I have insulted anyone's sensibilities, my apologies.
If you really feel that way, please read the essay/rant I wrote in my original post.... I understand that people think magic is a joke, that is the problem with the art. The point of this thread was to show that there is another side!
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Fair enough - the clips you posted are pretty cool.
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Derren Brown is really good at tricking the mind. I saw one where he managed to get a guy he passed on the street to hand over some of his personal belongings while asking for directions
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Derren Brown is really good at tricking the mind. I saw one where he managed to get a guy he passed on the street to hand over some of his personal belongings while asking for directions
He is fantastic! and he doesnt use plants and camera tricks like Criss Angel... everything he does is the real deal. The type of magic I do is the psychological kind, similar to Derren Brown.
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Jeff McBride's mask thing was pretty amazing. The cards, I was a little dubious of at first, just because they're cards, but, he made that work, and for that I give applause.
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Jeff McBride is a favorite of mine. Got to meet him on a couple of occasions. And as far as close-up chamber stuff goes I really dug David Roth's work.
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Illusions Michael! Tricks are for whores.
I love that you were the first to respond and with something as magical as an AD illusion but you messed up the quote!

"Tricks are something whores do for money! ...or cocaine."

Anyway, I like magic well enough. What sort of tricks do you do, zooropop?
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Jeff McBride is a favorite of mine. Got to meet him on a couple of occasions. And as far as close-up chamber stuff goes I really dug David Roth's work.
uh wow, are you a magician?? jeez... most people dont know either of those names!?! Roth is fantastic and McBride is one of my mentors!

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Anyway, I like magic well enough. What sort of tricks do you do, zooropop?
I am a mentalist and hypnotist. I do the sort of things that Derren Brown does (see videos above). I also do some card magic, but usually with a psychological flair. I have written a few books on the subject and it truly is the passion of my life. I do shows mostly with mind reading, predicting future events, psychic readings, etc...
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uh wow, are you a magician?? jeez... most people dont know either of those names!?! Roth is fantastic and McBride is one of my mentors!
As a kid I was... sort of. For like 6 or 7 years I studied close-up magic just for my own personal enjoyment. My family and I went to a lot of performances and stuff. McBride was always our favorite. My mother even did a routine on stage with him once as part of his audience participation act (I'm just laying this up here so perfectly... someone better get Laz in here for this), and my father got to be part of one of Copperfield's big illusions one time. Great memories.

Unfortunately I never really enjoyed performing myself. I'm not much of a theatrical entertainer, and studied mostly for my own benefit as I said. Of course, there's only so much I can do under that attitude so I gave it up while ago now. It's probably been like 5 or 6 years since I last practiced anything. I was pretty good with coin tricks though, which I studied almost exclusively near the end. Thus the David Roth admiration. My favorite was always the Cups and Balls routine (again, someone get Laz for these) I first picked up from Michael Ammar. I had a pretty fantastic routine for that and it was probably my strongest talent.
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As a kid I was... sort of. For like 6 or 7 years I studied close-up magic just for my own personal enjoyment. My family and I went to a lot of performances and stuff. McBride was always our favorite. My mother even did a routine on stage with him once as part of his audience participation act (I'm just laying this up here so perfectly... someone better get Laz in here for this), and my father got to be part of one of Copperfield's big illusions one time. Great memories.

Unfortunately I never really enjoyed performing myself. I'm not much of a theatrical entertainer, and studied mostly for my own benefit as I said. Of course, there's only so much I can do under that attitude so I gave it up while ago now. It's probably been like 5 or 6 years since I last practiced anything. I was pretty good with coin tricks though, which I studied almost exclusively near the end. Thus the David Roth admiration. My favorite was always the Cups and Balls routine (again, someone get Laz for these) I first picked up from Michael Ammar. I had a pretty fantastic routine for that and it was probably my strongest talent.

wow.

Michael Ammar is fantastic as well. and Laz does magic too??

I never thought that I would hear the names David Roth and Ammar on this thread! I usually hear those on the magic threads I belong to. I hope I dont get them mixed up and start talking about U2 to magicians
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Laz doesn't do magic. He makes whore jokes about my mother.
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As a kid I was... sort of. For like 6 or 7 years I studied close-up magic just for my own personal enjoyment. My family and I went to a lot of performances and stuff. McBride was always our favorite. My mother even did a routine on stage with him once as part of his audience participation act (I'm just laying this up here so perfectly... someone better get Laz in here for this), and my father got to be part of one of Copperfield's big illusions one time. Great memories.

Unfortunately I never really enjoyed performing myself. I'm not much of a theatrical entertainer, and studied mostly for my own benefit as I said. Of course, there's only so much I can do under that attitude so I gave it up while ago now. It's probably been like 5 or 6 years since I last practiced anything. I was pretty good with coin tricks though, which I studied almost exclusively near the end. Thus the David Roth admiration. My favorite was always the Cups and Balls routine (again, someone get Laz for these) I first picked up from Michael Ammar. I had a pretty fantastic routine for that and it was probably my strongest talent.
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How did you get into that field, zoopop?
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