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Old 12-14-2010, 06:59 PM   #161
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Lugar's heard from me several times about this. Also about how disappointed I am that he went from upbraiding his own party for lame-duck obstructionism on START to turning around and joining them in exactly the same behavior (the tax filibuster). Atypically hyperpartisan of him.
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Old 12-14-2010, 09:53 PM   #162
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i wrote to Webb earlier in the year, and was rather impressed at the well-thought-out and reasoned email i received in response from his office.

apparently, these things do make a difference.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:42 PM   #163
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Most back repealing 'don't ask, don't tell,' poll says
By Ed O'Keefe and Jon Cohen

Eye Opener

Nearly eight in 10 Americans favor allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The results signal continued widespread public support for ending the military's 17-year ban on gays in the military and come as Congress prepares to vote again on legislation ending the military's "don't ask, don't tell" law.

Overall, 77 percent of Americans say gays and lesbians who publicly disclose their sexual orientation should be able to serve in the military. That's little changed from polls over the two years, but represents the highest level of support in a Post-ABC poll. The support also cuts across partisan and ideological lines, with majorities of Democrats, Republicans, independents, liberals, conservatives and white evangelical Protestants in favor of homosexuals' serving openly.

The House of Representatives is set to vote Wednesday on a bill that would repeal "don't ask, don't tell," and it is expected to pass easily in the Democratic-dominated House; its fate in the Senate remains uncertain.

The survey asked "gays and lesbians" or "homosexuals," presenting each term to random half-samples of respondents. Both versions of the questions yielded similar results.

Respondents were also asked about gays and lesbians who do and do not publicly state their sexual orientation.

When asked -- "Do you think [homosexuals/gays and lesbians] who do NOT publicly disclose their sexual orientation should be allowed to serve in the military or not?" -- 83 percent of respondents said yes, 14 percent said no and 4 percent had no opinion. Again, the terms "Homosexuals" and "gays and lesbians" were used interchangeably by survey takers.

And when asked -- "Do you think [homosexuals/gays and lesbians] who DO publicly disclose their sexual orientation should be allowed to serve in the military or not?" -- 77 percent said yes, 21 percent said no and 2 percent had no opinion.

The results mirror the findings of a February Post/ABC poll that found 75 percent of Americans backed allowing gays serve openly in the military.

The poll was conducted Dec 9 to 12 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

Federal Eye - Most back repealing 'don't ask, don't tell,' poll says


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Old 12-15-2010, 05:12 PM   #164
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In a rational, just world the Republicans would be absolutely roasted for not letting this pass. (or for insisting on tax cuts for the rich while simultaneously decrying the massive deficit)
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In a rational, just world the Republicans would be absolutely roasted for not letting this pass. (or for insisting on tax cuts for the rich while simultaneously decrying the massive deficit)
*Nods* Seriously, if I were a Democrat, I'd totally be using this issue to show truly just how little the Republicans really care about national security. They're willing to risk letting really good military people go, people who could help protect us, because of this. I'd be hammering that point everywhere I could.

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I'd also use it point out how out of touch Republicans are with the will of the people. After all, their whole mantra prior to the mid-terms (especially in their lovely Pledge for America) was "baby we've changed, give us another chance, this time we'll listen to you" - and they're back to the same stuff they've always been doing - looking out for the rich and sticking their fingers in their ears with regards to DADT.

The Dems need to grow a pair and crucify them if this doesn't pass.
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Old 12-15-2010, 05:39 PM   #167
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on to the Senate. we hope.



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House approves repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'
The 250-175 vote is aimed at putting new pressure on the Senate to end the policy banning gay troops from serving openly in the military.

By Kathleen Hennessey, Tribune Washington Bureau

2:31 PM PST, December 15, 2010

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After stumbling last week, the effort to end the policy banning gay troops from serving openly in the military received a boost Wednesday, as the House approved a measure repealing the policy in an effort to force the Senate to do the same before lawmakers go home for the holidays.

The House vote on the "don't ask, don't tell" policy -- essentially a repeat of a similar vote in May -- puts fresh pressure on the Senate leaders to prioritize the repeal as they struggle to schedule votes on a handful of last-chance priorities for Democrats.

The final tally was 250 to 175, mostly along party lines.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has promised to bring the House bill to the Senate floor, and said this week that if the House completed its work, "we'll have to work on that." Reid has suggested he may keep lawmakers in session through the weekend and beyond.

Still, a repeal of the 17-year-old policy faces the dual constraints of time and Republican opposition. Senate Republicans have resisted action on any measures other than a compromise tax plan and a resolution to fund the government. As the effort moves to the Senate, the bill may face hostile amendments, delays and a group of lawmakers eager to put an end to the 111th Congress.

Like other top Democratic priorities, the repeal is not likely to get much traction next year, when Republicans take control of the House and increase their numbers in the Senate.

A GOP filibuster has blocked passage of the repeal, until now attached as an amendment to a massive defense bill.

The House vote Wednesday, on a stand-alone measure, marked a revival of the effort to pass the repeal. Advocates believe that they have the necessary 60 votes to overcome another GOP filibuster, particularly now that a Senate vote would be scheduled after the tax plan was approved. Republican senators had vowed to block all measures until passage of President Obama's tax-cut compromise measure. The Senate voted on the tax-cut deal Wednesday; the House is expected to take it up Thursday.

The stand-alone don't ask, don't tell repeal bill was introduced by House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, (D-Md.) and Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-Pa.), an Iraq war veteran now in his final days of his service in the House. Murphy lost his reelection bid in November.
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apparently Lieberman just tweeted (heh) that Snowe will support repeal, so that's both the ladies from Maine.

get it together, Brownie.
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That's good news . And yay to the House voting for repeal. Here's hoping...*Crosses fingers*.

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I'd also use it point out how out of touch Republicans are with the will of the people. After all, their whole mantra prior to the mid-terms (especially in their lovely Pledge for America) was "baby we've changed, give us another chance, this time we'll listen to you" - and they're back to the same stuff they've always been doing - looking out for the rich and sticking their fingers in their ears with regards to DADT.
That, too. And the fact that they're supporting something so discriminatory to begin with at all.

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The Dems need to grow a pair and crucify them if this doesn't pass.
Hell, yes. I read twice in that news snippet about the Republicans resisting action on any other measures right now and want to tell them to fuck off and grow up already.

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get it together, Brownie.


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Big Boost for Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal: Brown Backs Senate Bill
December 16, 2010 10:25 AM

Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown today voiced his support for a stand-alone repeal of the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, bringing the bill one vote over the 60-vote threshold that it will need to reach if and when the Senate votes on the measure in the coming weeks.

“Sen. Brown accepts the Pentagon’s recommendation to repeal the policy after proper preparations have been completed. If and when a clean repeal bill comes up for a vote, he will support it,” said Brown spokesperson Gail Gitcho.

Brown’s backing means that – on paper – supporters of the repeal have 61 senators in favor of the bill. On Wednesday Republicans Olympia Snowe of Maine and Lisa Murkowski both announced their support for the stand-alone repeal. The House passed the clean repeal on Wednesday and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has vowed to bring it to a vote in the Senate before the end of the year.

However, Reid has warned that bringing the bill to a vote in the Senate is not an issue of support, but rather of time. With just over a week before Christmas, the Senate is only now kicking off debate on the START nuclear treaty and a massive $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill. It will likely be early next week before the Senate wraps up work on those two measures – and numerous GOP senators have voiced stern opposition to both bills, preferring instead to fund the government into early next year and go home for the holidays. That leaves little time for the Senate to pass the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal.

Big Boost for Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal: Brown Backs Senate Bill - The Note



as much as it shocks me to say it, i am very proud of Joe Lieberman, and of the New England Republicans (Brown, Collins, Snowe).

the clock is ticking, Harry Reid.
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Brown is/was in the military so his support is pretty significant.
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credit where credit is due:

Snowe and Collins (ME)
Brown (MA)
Kirk (IL)
Voinovich (OH)
Murkowski (AK)


and (shock!) JOE LIEBERMAN (CT)!!!
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perhaps we'll be lucky and all those fluent-in-Farsi-and-Arabic translators (as well as the 14,000 others) will re-enlist?
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credit where credit is due:

Snowe and Collins (ME)
Brown (MA)
Kirk (IL)
Voinovich (OH)
Murkowski (AK)


and (shock!) JOE LIEBERMAN (CT)!!!
Oh, that's great!!!

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I feel a little better about my country today.

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Los Angeles Times | December 18, 2010 | 12:35 p.m.


The Senate has voted to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" law, ending the legal ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the military.


It passed the Senate in a 65-31 vote.

Earlier six Republicans joined Democrats in a procedural vote that brought the measure to the floor.
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Great news today. I commend those brave Republicans for voting against party lines.
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