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What's wrong with you? Seriously, get a grip.

The only thing there so far that caught me by surprise was H.Clinton wanting to collect biometric data from Ban Ki-moon.

What I don't get is what makes you so angry. Your prime minister not keeping his promises? Hardly a surprise. That you can tell even from inner-state politics. Mossad having interests taking down the Iranian regime? The time spent debating Iranian nuclear power? Egypt having common interests with Israel regarding the condition in Gaza but having to scorn us to the public eye to keep their own interests with the Arab world?

There's nothing there about Israel that you wouldn't have figured out from reading the weekly commentary in the newspapers. Calm down.

Hi Sarit,

I'm sorry, but I'm very angry about this.

Julian Assange is like someone who's robbing a bank - even though nobody is seriously hurt during the crime, it doesn't negate the fact that a crime WAS committed - and he's committing robbery.
It doesn't matter a bit whether the information is harmful or known or not - we'll only know this as time goes by - the fact is that he obtained this information by an illegal act of treachery and there's no doubt that he's nothing more than a cyber-thug.

Moreover, it sickens me that the media is even reporting about this - because it makes every news organization a party to this crime - just as if Assange had robbed a bank and shared his spoils with his partners.

It is fruit of the poison tree - like evidence found outside of a search warrant - it's illegal.

And who the hell does he think he is anyway? Has he suddenly become the world's watchdog? How dare he release classified material that can have severe ramifications for other people?

I make no bones about this - I severely dislike this guy.
 
AchtungBono, little scary there mate. :crack:

Moreover, it sickens me that the media is even reporting about this - because it makes every news organization a party to this crime - just as if Assange had robbed a bank and shared his spoils with his partners.

The media's job is to report on the facts that are out there, not what the government wants the media to report on. If your attitude is different then you were either brought up in a police state or have very worrying attitudes towards freedom of the press.

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I like to think long-term, way beyond Assange or WikiLeaks. They are actually doing the U.S. and intelligence community a service by leaking this stuff. You can bet there will be a massive reevaluation of how information is handled in the U.S. and international communities because of this.

Governments are far behind the internet age, and when their dirty laundry is aired like this for all to see, you can bet heads will roll internally to get their protocals updated.
 
AchtungBono, little scary there mate. :crack:



The media's job is to report on the facts that are out there, not what the government wants the media to report on. If your attitude is different then you were either brought up in a police state or have very worrying attitudes towards freedom of the press.

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I like to think long-term, way beyond Assange or WikiLeaks. They are actually doing the U.S. and intelligence community a service by leaking this stuff. You can bet there will be a massive reevaluation of how information is handled in the U.S. and international communities because of this.

Governments are far behind the internet age, and when their dirty laundry is aired like this for all to see, you can bet heads will roll internally to get their protocals updated.

Hello Canadiens,

This has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of the press.
No one has the right to leak state secrets and it's the medias job to safeguard democracy and not be accomplices to treason.

Freedom of the press is not freedom to commit treason and I believe that any journalist who shares information obtained illegally is a disgrace to his profession.

If I were a journalist, I wouldn't touch this story with a 10-foot pole.
I'd probably lose my readership but I would maintain my dignity and journalistic integrity.
 
Moreover, it sickens me that the media is even reporting about this - because it makes every news organization a party to this crime -

The media's job is to report on the facts that are out there, not what the government wants the media to report on.

That's just it, if the military and government viewed this as a genuine threat, there would easily be a media blackout. Any information of any real consequence will not be released.

If there actually is any game-changing information that sways public opinion for action of one type or another, it is likely intended.

Julian Assange as some wiley, truth-avenging, public menace seems ludicrous.


Governments are far behind the internet age, and when their dirty laundry is aired like this for all to see, you can bet heads will roll internally to get their protocals updated.

Isn't it more likely that the internet will be more heavily regulated and policed?
 
Hi Sarit,

I'm sorry, but I'm very angry about this.

Julian Assange is like someone who's robbing a bank - even though nobody is seriously hurt during the crime, it doesn't negate the fact that a crime WAS committed - and he's committing robbery.
It doesn't matter a bit whether the information is harmful or known or not - we'll only know this as time goes by - the fact is that he obtained this information by an illegal act of treachery and there's no doubt that he's nothing more than a cyber-thug.

Moreover, it sickens me that the media is even reporting about this - because it makes every news organization a party to this crime - just as if Assange had robbed a bank and shared his spoils with his partners.

It is fruit of the poison tree - like evidence found outside of a search warrant - it's illegal.

And who the hell does he think he is anyway? Has he suddenly become the world's watchdog? How dare he release classified material that can have severe ramifications for other people?

I make no bones about this - I severely dislike this guy.


What treachery? He's not a US citizen. I really wouldn't think that someone who's nothing more than a cyber-thug would put himself at risk the way he did.

Having said that, it is worth looking a bit more into who supports him with wikileaks. I'd be happy to see papers not only from western countries (to the best of my knowledge these are the only documents that were leaked – this time and previously). How about documents from China or Russia? These would surely put him to a much greater risk than now, but would also put at ease the feeling that he might have a hidden agenda other than just informing the public.
 
i don't think we can go after wikileaks, nor should we. julian assange is a jackass, no doubt, and releasing this material shows a complete lack of journalistic integrity... but it just opens up a can of worms that we don't want to go down.

as much as i hate the modern media... we certainly wouldn't want to shut down the new york times for reporting on an issue that was previously confidential and classified.

no, i think the issue is two fold...

1, the person who did the leaking should be held for treason, with a very public trial, to discourage anyone else who feels like they may want to do the same thing.

2. the security that held these documents needs to be upgraded big time. i understand that people in these positions with access to this information are operating on a level of trust, but come on... he just downloaded shit onto a lady gaga CD and nobody knew? even shitty companies like the one i work for keep track of their employees activities on the computer. this is the US government. that material never should have been allowed to have been gotten out.


the one positive, if there is one, from this shit being leaked so easily is that it makes those wackjob conspiracy theorists who think the WTC was brought down by a massive government conspiracy involving thermite paint and jesse ventura's boa even stupider than they previously looked, which is hard, because they looked pretty fucking stupid already. they can't keep this shit secret... how the hell are they gonna keep things like that secret.
 
Bradley Manning's going to jail for an awful long time for breaching secured info, but let's tamp down on the cries of treason.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Blowing up the term "levying War" to include "revelation of awkward gossip" sounds like it demeans what the truly treasonous have done.
 
^ Not to mention, it wasn't another country he passed the information on to (well, and there wouldn't seem to be two witnesses, either). If he's successfully charged with anything, it will almost certainly be the unlawful downloading of classified data and sharing it with an unauthorized party, under military law.
 
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Bradley Manning's going to jail for an awful long time for breaching secured info, but let's tamp down on the cries of treason.



Blowing up the term "levying War" to include "revelation of awkward gossip" sounds like it demeans what the truly treasonous have done.

no. i think he should be tried with treason.

he stole sensitive, classified information that, yes, could put american lives in danger, both directly and indirectly.

they charged robert hanssen with treason, they can charge manning with treason. perhaps they can receive the same plea bargain and share the same jail cell as they rot in hell.

the information is readily available to anyone who wants to read it, enemies and friends alike. i make no difference between doing this and stealing it to sell directly to one enemy.
 
Hi Sarit,

I'm sorry, but I'm very angry about this.

Julian Assange is like someone who's robbing a bank - even though nobody is seriously hurt during the crime, it doesn't negate the fact that a crime WAS committed - and he's committing robbery.
It doesn't matter a bit whether the information is harmful or known or not - we'll only know this as time goes by - the fact is that he obtained this information by an illegal act of treachery and there's no doubt that he's nothing more than a cyber-thug.

Moreover, it sickens me that the media is even reporting about this - because it makes every news organization a party to this crime - just as if Assange had robbed a bank and shared his spoils with his partners.

It is fruit of the poison tree - like evidence found outside of a search warrant - it's illegal.

And who the hell does he think he is anyway? Has he suddenly become the world's watchdog? How dare he release classified material that can have severe ramifications for other people?

I make no bones about this - I severely dislike this guy.

The relevations are not particularly damaging to Israel I would have thought. Israel can take a back seat and watch the fireworks (hopefully, only verbal fireworks) kick off as it is revealed that some of the Arab middle eastern countries were just as assertive behind the scenes as Israel has been publicly in calling for action against Iran.

That said, I do see where you are coming from. If they were just exposing war crimes I would suppport them but they are all sorts of diplomatic private conversations being published that were not meant for public consumption, they are also deeply hypocritical as it is only focussed on America and her allies.

The whole thing seems to me to have an anti-Western motivation and Assange needs to decide quite quickly what side is bread is buttered on. Perhaps if he doesn't like our western system in spite of having benefited from it, he should seek asylum in Russia, China or North Korea. He is acting and behaving like an enemy of the West, pure and simple.
 
So, O'Reilly calls for traitors to be prosecuted under the law, and criticises Obama for saying nothing.

Pretty mild, I would have thought.
 
no. i think he should be tried with treason.

he stole sensitive, classified information that, yes, could put american lives in danger, both directly and indirectly.

they charged robert hanssen with treason, they can charge manning with treason. perhaps they can receive the same plea bargain and share the same jail cell as they rot in hell.
Hanssen was charged with (and convicted of) espionage, not treason. Adam Gadahn is the only American who's been charged with treason in more than 50 years.* I'm guessing Manning can't be charged with espionage (as opposed to his current charge--sharing classified data with an 'unauthorized' party) because the definition of espionage in US law entails descriptions of the nature of the receiving 'entity' which WikiLeaks doesn't fit.


( * A colleague tells me my earlier assumption that only other countries may constitute 'Enemies' within the Constitution's definition of treason is not, per se, correct; the key is that a state of war exists between the US and an 'Enemy,' hence that's the case which would need to be made.)
 
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Is WikiLeaks still a menace/Assange still a jackass if the next leak is bankers' documents?
WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange Wants To Spill Your Corporate Secrets - Andy Greenberg - The Firewall - Forbes

WikiLeaks is just the delivery mechanism for leaked information. If it weren't them being a beacon to whistle-blowers, than it would be another website. The attitude governments have towards secret information is decidedly old-fashioned and 20th century, or they are at least letting us, the public, think that's the case.

You've got to ask yourself, "Is the government (or Pentagon) really that dumb? I'd hazard to say no, but then again the Pentagon tried to buy up all the copies of that recent book with classified information that slipped through, as if one copy being out there didn't mean the information was already online, spreading, and out there forever.
 
Hello BVS,

Thank you very much for that video link - it helped clarify the treason issue, and proved once again why Bill O'Reilly is my hero.

Have a good day.
 
It clarified? Apparently the only thing missing from this thread was the dulcet tones of a confident middle-aged Irish-American.

This is probably the single most helpful article I've read about Julian Assange, as it helps put some of his otherwise inexplicable (gossipy diplomatic cables?) Wikileaks efforts into context. Because it's sort of a quote bomb, I'm hiding it behind a spoiler tag, and bolded some of the main points.
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“To radically shift regime behavior we must think clearly and boldly for if we have learned anything, it is that regimes do not want to be changed. We must think beyond those who have gone before us, and discover technological changes that embolden us with ways to act in which our forebears could not. Firstly we must understand what aspect of government or neocorporatist behavior we wish to change or remove. Secondly we must develop a way of thinking about this behavior that is strong enough carry us through the mire of politically distorted language, and into a position of clarity. Finally must use these insights to inspire within us and others a course of ennobling, and effective action.”

Julian Assange, “State and Terrorist Conspiracies”

The piece of writing (via) which that quote introduces is intellectually substantial, but not all that difficult to read, so you might as well take a look at it yourself. Most of the news media seems to be losing their minds over Wikileaks without actually reading these essays, even though he describes the function and aims of an organization like Wikileaks in pretty straightforward terms. But, to summarize, he begins by describing a state like the US as essentially an authoritarian conspiracy, and then reasons that the practical strategy for combating that conspiracy is to degrade its ability to conspire, to hinder its ability to “think” as a conspiratorial mind. The metaphor of a computing network is mostly implicit, but utterly crucial: he seeks to oppose the power of the state by treating it like a computer and tossing sand in its diodes.

He begins by positing that conspiracy and authoritarianism go hand in hand, arguing that since authoritarianism produces resistance to itself — to the extent that its authoritarianism becomes generally known — it can only continue to exist and function by preventing its intentions (the authorship of its authority?) from being generally known. It inevitably becomes, he argues, a conspiracy:
Authoritarian regimes give rise to forces which oppose them by pushing against the individual and collective will to freedom, truth and self realization. Plans which assist authoritarian rule, once discovered, induce resistance. Hence these plans are concealed by successful authoritarian powers. This is enough to define their behavior as conspiratorial.
The problem this creates for the government conspiracy then becomes the organizational problem it must solve: if the conspiracy must operate in secrecy, how is it to communicate, plan, make decisions, discipline itself, and transform itself to meet new challenges? The answer is: by controlling information flows. After all, if the organization has goals that can be articulated, articulating them openly exposes them to resistance. But at the same time, failing to articulate those goals to itself deprives the organization of its ability to process and advance them. Somewhere in the middle, for the authoritarian conspiracy, is the right balance of authority and conspiracy.

His model for imagining the conspiracy, then, is not at all the cliché that people mean when they sneer at someone for being a “conspiracy theorist.” After all, most the “conspiracies” we’re familiar with are pure fantasies, and because the “Elders of Zion” or James Bond’s SPECTRE have never existed, their nonexistence becomes a cudgel for beating on people that would ever use the term or the concept. For Assange, by contrast, a conspiracy is something fairly banal, simply any network of associates who act in concert by hiding their concerted association from outsiders, an authority that proceeds by preventing its activities from being visible enough to provoke counter-reaction. It might be something as dramatic as a loose coalition of conspirators working to start a war with Iraq/n, or it might simply be the banal, everyday deceptions and conspiracies of normal diplomatic procedure.

He illustrates this theoretical model by the analogy of a board with nails hammered into it and then tied together with twine:
First take some nails (“conspirators”) and hammer them into a board at random. Then take twine (“communication”) and loop it from nail to nail without breaking. Call the twine connecting two nails a link. Unbroken twine means it is possible to travel from any nail to any other nail via twine and intermediary nails…Information flows from conspirator to conspirator. Not every conspirator trusts or knows every other conspirator even though all are connected. Some are on the fringe of the conspiracy, others are central and communicate with many conspirators and others still may know only two conspirators but be a bridge between important sections or groupings of the conspiracy…

Conspirators are often discerning, for some trust and depend each other, while others say little. Important information flows frequently through some links, trivial information through others. So we expand our simple connected graph model to include not only links, but their “importance.”

Return to our board-and-nails analogy. Imagine a thick heavy cord between some nails and fine light thread between others. Call the importance, thickness or heaviness of a link its weight. Between conspirators that never communicate the weight is zero. The “importance” of communication passing through a link is difficult to evaluate apriori, since its true value depends on the outcome of the conspiracy. We simply say that the “importance” of communication contributes to the weight of a link in the most obvious way; the weight of a link is proportional to the amount of important communication flowing across it. Questions about conspiracies in general won’t require us to know the weight of any link, since that changes from conspiracy to conspiracy.
Such a network will not be organized by a flow chart, nor would it ever produce a single coherent map of itself (without thereby hastening its own collapse). It is probably fairly acephalous, as a matter of course: if it had a single head (or a singular organizing mind which could survey and map the entirety), then every conspirator would be one step from the boss and a short two steps away from every other member of the conspiracy. A certain amount of centralization is necessary, in other words (otherwise there is no conspiracy), but too much centralization makes the system vulnerable.

To use The Wire as a ready-to-hand example, imagine if Avon Barksdale was communicating directly with Bodie. All you would ever have to do is turn one person — any person — and you would be one step away from the boss, whose direct connection to everyone else in the conspiracy would allow you to sweep them all up at once. Obviously, no effective conspiracy would ever function this way. Remember Stringer Bell’s “is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?” To function effectively, the primary authority has to be disassociated from all other members of the conspiracy, layers of mediation which have to be as opaque as possible to everyone concerned (which a paper trail unhelpfully clarifies). But while the complexity of these linkages shield the directing authority from exposure, they also limit Avon Barksdale’s ability to control what’s going on around him. Businesses run on their paperwork! And the more walls you build around him, the less he might be able to trust his lieutenants, and the less they’ll require (or tolerate) him.

This, Assange reasons, is a way to turn a feature into a bug. And his underlying insight is simple and, I think, compelling: while an organization structured by direct and open lines of communication will be much more vulnerable to outside penetration, the more opaque it becomes to itself (as a defense against the outside gaze), the less able it will be to “think” as a system, to communicate with itself. The more conspiratorial it becomes, in a certain sense, the less effective it will be as a conspiracy. The more closed the network is to outside intrusion, the less able it is to engage with that which is outside itself (true hacker theorizing).

His thinking is not quite as abstract as all that, of course; as he quite explicitly notes, he is also understanding the functioning of the US state by analogy with successful terrorist organizations. If you’ve seen The Battle of Algiers, for example, think of how the French counter-terrorist people work to produce an organizational flow chart of the Algerian resistance movement: since they had overwhelming military superiority, their inability to crush the FLN resided in their inability to find it, an inability which the FLN strategically works to impede by decentralizing itself. Cutting off one leg of the octopus, the FLN realized, wouldn’t degrade the system as a whole if the legs all operated independently. The links between the units were the vulnerable spots for the system as a whole, so those were most closely and carefully guarded and most hotly pursued by the French. And while the French won the battle of Algiers, they lost the war, because they adopted the tactics Assange briefly mentions only to put aside:
How can we reduce the ability of a conspiracy to act?…We can split the conspiracy, reduce or eliminating important communication between a few high weight links or many low weight links. Traditional attacks on conspiratorial power groupings, such as assassination, have cut high weight links by killing, kidnapping, blackmailing or otherwise marginalizing or isolating some of the conspirators they were connected to.
This is the US’s counterterrorism strategy — find the men in charge and get ’em — but it’s not what Assange wants to do: such a program would isolate a specific version of the conspiracy and attempt to destroy the form of it that already exists, which he argues will have two important limitations. For one thing, by the time such a conspiracy has a form which can be targeted, its ability to function will be quite advanced. As he notes:
“A man in chains knows he should have acted sooner for his ability to influence the actions of the state is near its end. To deal with powerful conspiratorial actions we must think ahead and attack the process that leads to them since the actions themselves can not be dealt with.”
By the time a cancer has metastasized, in other words, antioxidents are no longer effective, and even violent chemotherapy is difficult. It’s better, then, to think about how conspiracies come into existence so as to prevent them from forming in the first place (whereas if you isolate the carcinogen early enough, you don’t need to remove the tumor after the fact). Instead, he wants to address the aggregative process itself, by impeding the principle of its reproduction: rather than trying to expose and cut particular links between particular conspirators (which does little to prevent new links from forming and may not disturb the actual functioning of the system as a whole), he wants to attack the “total conspiratorial power” of the entire system by figuring out how to reduce its total ability to share and exchange information among itself, in effect, to slow down its processing power. As he puts it:
Conspiracies are cognitive devices. They are able to outthink the same group of individuals acting alone Conspiracies take information about the world in which they operate (the conspiratorial environment), pass through the conspirators and then act on the result. We can see conspiracies as a type of device that has inputs (information about the environment), a computational network (the conspirators and their links to each other) and outputs (actions intending to change or maintain the environment).
Because he thinks of the conspiracy as a computational network, he notes in an aside that one way to weaken its cognitive ability would be to degrade the quality of its information:
Since a conspiracy is a type of cognitive device that acts on information acquired from its environment, distorting or restricting these inputs means acts based on them are likely to be misplaced. Programmers call this effect garbage in, garbage out. Usually the effect runs the other way; it is conspiracy that is the agent of deception and information restriction. In the US, the programmer’s aphorism is sometimes called “the Fox News effect”.

I’m not sure this is what he means, but it’s worth reflecting that the conspiracy’s ability to deceive others through propaganda can also be the conspiracy’s tendency to deceive itself by its own propaganda. So many people genuinely drink the Kool-Aid, after all. Would our super-spies in Afghanistan ever have been so taken in by the imposter Taliban guy if they didn’t, basically, believe their own line of propaganda, if they didn’t convince themselves — even provisionally — that we actually are winning the war against Talibothra? The same is true of WMD; while no one in possession of the facts could rationally conclude that Saddam Hussein then (or Iran now) are actually, positively in pursuit of WMD’s, this doesn’t mean that the people talking about ticking time bombs don’t actually believe that they are. It just means they are operating with bad information about the environment. Sometimes this works in their favor, but sometimes it does not: if Obama thinks Afghanistan is winnable, it may sink his presidency, for example, while the belief of his advisors that the economy would recover if the government rescued only the banks almost certainly lost the midterm elections for the Democrats (and was the death-knell for so many of the Blue Dogs who were driving that particular policy choice). Whether this actually hurts the conspiracy is unclear; those Blue Dogs might have lost their seats, but most of them will retire from public service to cushy jobs supported by the sectors they supported while they were in public service. And lots of successful politicians do nothing but fail.

This is however, not where Assange’s reasoning leads him. He decides, instead, that the most effective way to attack this kind of organization would be to make “leaks” a fundamental part of the conspiracy’s information environment. Which is why the point is not that particular leaks are specifically effective. Wikileaks does not leak something like the “Collateral Murder” video as a way of putting an end to that particular military tactic; that would be to target a specific leg of the hydra even as it grows two more. Instead, the idea is that increasing the porousness of the conspiracy’s information system will impede its functioning, that the conspiracy will turn against itself in self-defense, clamping down on its own information flows in ways that will then impede its own cognitive function. You destroy the conspiracy, in other words, by making it so paranoid of itself that it can no longer conspire:
The more secretive or unjust an organization is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in its leadership and planning coterie. This must result in minimization of efficient internal communications mechanisms (an increase in cognitive “secrecy tax”) and consequent system-wide cognitive decline resulting in decreased ability to hold onto power as the environment demands adaption. Hence in a world where leaking is easy, secretive or unjust systems are nonlinearly hit relative to open, just systems. Since unjust systems, by their nature induce opponents, and in many places barely have the upper hand, mass leaking leaves them exquisitely vulnerable to those who seek to replace them with more open forms of governance.

The leak, in other words, is only the catalyst for the desired counter-overreaction; Wikileaks wants to provoke the conspiracy into turning off its own brain in response to the threat. As it tries to plug its own holes and find the leakers, he reasons, its component elements will de-synchronize from and turn against each other, de-link from the central processing network, and come undone. Even if all the elements of the conspiracy still exist, in this sense, depriving themselves of a vigorous flow of information to connect them all together as a conspiracy prevents them from acting as a conspiracy. As he puts it:
If total conspiratorial power is zero, then clearly there is no information flow between the conspirators and hence no conspiracy. A substantial increase or decrease in total conspiratorial power almost always means what we expect it to mean; an increase or decrease in the ability of the conspiracy to think, act and adapt…An authoritarian conspiracy that cannot think is powerless to preserve itself against the opponents it induces.

In this sense, most of the media commentary on the latest round of leaks has totally missed the point. After all, why are diplomatic cables being leaked? These leaks are not specifically about the war(s) at all, and most seem to simply be a broad swath of the everyday normal secrets that a security state keeps from all but its most trusted hundreds of thousands of people who have the right clearance. Which is the point: Assange is completely right that our government has conspiratorial functions. What else would you call the fact that a small percentage of our governing class governs and acts in our name according to information which is freely shared amongst them but which cannot be shared amongst their constituency? And we all probably knew that this was more or less the case; anyone who was surprised that our embassies are doing dirty, secretive, and disingenuous political work as a matter of course is naïve. But Assange is not trying to produce a journalistic scandal which will then provoke red-faced government reforms or something, precisely because no one is all that scandalized by such things any more. Instead, he is trying to strangle the links that make the conspiracy possible, to expose the necessary porousness of the American state’s conspiratorial network in hopes that the security state will then try to shrink its computational network in response, thereby making itself dumber and slower and smaller.

Early responses seem to indicate that Wikileaks is well on its way to accomplishing some of its goals. As Simon Jenkins put it (in a great piece in its own right) “The leaks have blown a hole in the framework by which states guard their secrets.” And if the diplomats quoted by Le Monde are right that, “we will never again be able to practice diplomacy like before,” this is exactly what Wikileaks was trying to do. It’s sort of pathetic hearing diplomats and government shills lament that the normal work of “diplomacy” will now be impossible, like complaining that that the guy boxing you out is making it hard to get rebounds. Poor dears. If Assange is right to point out that his organization has accomplished more state scrutiny than the entire rest of the journalistic apparatus combined, he’s right but he’s also deflecting the issue: if Wikileaks does some of the things that journalists do, it also does some very different things. Assange, as his introductory remarks indicate quite clearly, is in the business of “radically shift[ing] regime behavior.”

If Wikileaks is a different kind of organization than anything we’ve ever seen before, it’s interesting to see him put himself in line with more conventional progressivism. Assange isn’t off base, after all, when he quotes Theodore Roosevelt’s words from his 1912 Progressive party presidential platform as the epigraph to the first essay; Roosevelt realized a hundred years ago that “Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people,” and it was true, then too, that “To destroy this invisible government, to befoul this unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of statesmanship.” Assange is trying to shit all over this unholy alliance in ways that the later and more radical Roosevelt would likely have commended.

It’s worth closing, then, by recalling that Roosevelt also coined the term “muckraker,” and that he did so as a term of disparagement. Quoting from Pilgrim’s Progress, he cited the example of the “Muck-Raker” who could only look down, whose perspective was so totally limited to the “muck” that it was his job to rake, he had lost all ability to see anything higher. Roosevelt, as always, is worth quoting:
In Bunyan’s Pilgrim’s Progress you may recall the description of the Man with the Muck-rake, the man who could look no way but downward, with the muckrake in his hand; who was offered a celestial crown for his muck-rake, but who would neither look up nor regard the crown he was offered, but continued to rake to himself the filth of the floor…the Man with the Muck-rake is set forth as the example of him whose vision is fixed on carnal instead of on spiritual things. Yet he also typifies the man who in this life consistently refuses to see aught that is lofty, and fixes his eyes with solemn intentness only on that which is vile and debasing. Now, it is very necessary that we should not flinch from seeing what is s vile and debasing. There is filth on the floor, and it must be scraped up with the muck-rake; and there are times and places where this service is the most needed of all the services that can be performed. But the man who never does anything else, who never thinks or speaks or writes save of his feats with the muck-rake, speedily becomes, not a help to society, not an incitement to good, but one of the most potent forces for evil. There are, in the body politic, economic, and social, many and grave evils, and there is urgent necessity for the sternest war upon them. There should be relentless exposure of and attack upon every evil man, whether politician or business man, every evil practice, whether in politics, in business, or in social life. I hail as a benefactor every writer or speaker, every man who, on the platform, or in book, magazine, or newspaper, with merciless severity makes such attack, provided always that he in his turn remembers that the attack is of use only if it is absolutely truthful…

Roosevelt was many things when he uttered those words, but he was not wrong. There is a certain vicious amorality about the Mark Zuckerberg-ian philosophy that all transparency is always and everywhere a good thing, particularly when it’s uttered by the guy who’s busily monetizing your radical transparency. And the way most journalists “expose” secrets as a professional practice — to the extent that they do — is just as narrowly selfish: because they publicize privacy only when there is profit to be made in doing so, they keep their eyes on the valuable muck they are raking, and learn to pledge their future professional existence on a continuing and steady flow of it. In muck they trust.

According to his essay, Julian Assange is trying to do something else. Because we all basically know that the US state — like all states — is basically doing a lot of basically shady things basically all the time, simply revealing the specific ways they are doing these shady things will not be, in and of itself, a necessarily good thing. In some cases, it may be a bad thing, and in many cases, the provisional good it may do will be limited in scope. The question for an ethical human being — and Assange always emphasizes his ethics — has to be the question of what exposing secrets will actually accomplish, what good it will do, what better state of affairs it will bring about. And whether you buy his argument or not, Assange has a clearly articulated vision for how Wikileaks’ activities will “carry us through the mire of politically distorted language, and into a position of clarity,” a strategy for how exposing secrets will ultimately impede the production of future secrets. The point of Wikileaks — as Assange argues — is simply to make Wikileaks unnecessary.
 
Hanssen was charged with (and convicted of) espionage, not treason. Adam Gadahn is the only American who's been charged with treason in more than 50 years.* I'm guessing Manning can't be charged with espionage (as opposed to his current charge--sharing classified data with an 'unauthorized' party) because the definition of espionage in US law entails descriptions of the nature of the receiving 'entity' which WikiLeaks doesn't fit.


( * A colleague tells me my earlier assumption that only other countries may constitute 'Enemies' within the Constitution's definition of treason is not, per se, correct; the key is that a state of war exists between the US and an 'Enemy,' hence that's the case which would need to be made.)

hanssen plead guilty to espionage as part of a plea bargain to save his life. i thought the charge would have been treason had he not worked out this deal. if i'm wrong, i'm wrong.
 
Assange anti-American?

His melodramatic spoon-feeding of the information complete with teaser tweets and requests for donations are as American as apple pie.

I suspect the wikileaks money trail would be more revealing than any of the classified info he's sharing.
 
That's the continuation of what I believe was two charges of sexual assault that were dropped in Sweden (charges jussssst after the war documents were leaked by the way), then re-instated by a higher-up in Sweden. To me it smelled really fishy at the time.

Whether this guy is a bastard or not, I have a feeling enough intelligence agencies will be conspiring to destroy his reputation over the next few months.
 
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Gates on Leaks, Wiki and Otherwise
By ELISABETH BUMILLER

Defense secretary Robert M. Gates has regularly denounced Wikileaks in recent months for its massive disclosures, and as a former director of Central Intelligence he places high value on secrets.

But at a Pentagon briefing on Tuesday, Mr. Gates, who plans to retire next year, responded to a question about Wikileaks’ disclosure of 250,000 diplomatic cables by meandering down a different path.

Here is some of what he said:

“Let me just offer some perspective as somebody who’s been at this a long time. Every other government in the world knows the United States government leaks like a sieve, and it has for a long time. And I dragged this up the other day when I was looking at some of these prospective releases. And this is a quote from John Adams: ‘How can a government go on, publishing all of their negotiations with foreign nations, I know not. To me, it appears as dangerous and pernicious as it is novel.’

“Now, I’ve heard the impact of these releases on our foreign policy described as a meltdown, as a game-changer, and so on. I think those descriptions are fairly significantly overwrought. The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets. Many governments — some governments — deal with us because they fear us, some because they respect us, most because they need us. We are still essentially, as has been said before, the indispensable nation.

“So other nations will continue to deal with us. They will continue to work with us. We will continue to share sensitive information with one another.

“Is this embarrassing? Yes. Is it awkward? Yes. Consequences for U.S. foreign policy? I think fairly modest.’’

Julian Assange, you will hang for your limp handshakes and uncomfortable eye contact. No one makes the US government feel awkward!

He and Bradley Manning can have committed an act of dubious ethics that would probably lead to jail time, while not being History's Next Monster.
 
Of course, if Robert Gates is right that even a leaky ship can sail in the symbiotic environment of international relations, then Assange's ironically conspiratorial scheming against a supposedly discrete, mechanistic "conspiracy" with discrete inputs and outputs is misguided.
 
Of course, if Robert Gates is right that even a leaky ship can sail in the symbiotic environment of international relations, then Assange's ironically conspiratorial scheming against a supposedly discrete, mechanistic "conspiracy" with discrete inputs and outputs is misguided.

Yeah, I agree with Gates' view that the incentives are what they are- anyone can intuit a reasonably accurate model for most nation's private actions through public facts. But I think Assange might respond that through the constriction of private information caused by leakers, the capability of the actors to potentially coordinate in an unjust (and consequently secret) way would be reduced.

Disregarding whether or not Assange's application is correct/moral/just/so forth/if I even understand it, I think the notion of examining how security/information and the "thinking power" of bureaucracy interact is an interesting lens to view the world.
 
He's a soldier. UCMJ:
"aiding the enemy"
904. ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY
Any person who--
(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or
(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

Clearly the UCMJ might consider this a 'punishable by death' situation.

If the Military can hang him for what he did, what difference does it make if someone wants to say this is treason? Legal semantics? Practically speaking, that's about all it is. If they want to execute him, they probably can.

^ Not to mention, it wasn't another country he passed the information on to (well, and there wouldn't seem to be two witnesses, either). If he's successfully charged with anything, it will almost certainly be the unlawful downloading of classified data and sharing it with an unauthorized party, under military law.

Did he not literally pass the information to every country on the planet via the internet? Anyone with access to the IP could be a witness. I don't think people who share illegal music can get by with the ol' "someone else was using my computer"...excuse. I really don't have any idea. But the treason argument is probably neither here nor there anyhow (see above).
 
Well, the maximum potential charge has been set: they want 52 years in prison for the guy.

I say ultimately.....I dunno, 30 or 40 years, depending on whether Manning wants to/has info to give up on Wikileaks and Assange.
 
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