WikiLeaks largest classified military leak - Page 28

DaveC · 10-28-2016, 04:30 PM

that post is so dumb on so many levels i don't even know where to begin. you fail catastrophically every time you try to be clever.

**Diemen** · 10-28-2016, 07:02 PM

Dave, cool it.

DaveC · 10-28-2016, 07:08 PM

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

i'm not thrilled that my concern for my friends in the military was taken as an opportunity for a shitty joke, but no worries, i'm done with this.

Caleb8844 · 10-29-2016, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Except the leaking of the tape isn't illegal, it's contractual. And there's a huge fine built in, which is why nobody has leaked it yet. The potential leaker is asking for somebody to cover the clause in the contract.

There's also a distinct difference between whistle blowing and hacking.

So neither of your arguments hold any water. They aren't the same things.

I think it would be hard to defend classifying the leaking of privately held offensive conversations as "whistle-blowing," but for the sake of argument, we can use a more directly analogous example:

Should we have forgone any discussion of Donald Trump's leaked tax returns? Those were absolutely illegally leaked - very unlikely that Trump put those out himself.

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

As for the greater overall point... Clinton's tendency to push the limits and blur the lines over what's legal or not does bother me.

Trump bothers me more; by a vast and significant margin.

If there were a better option, I'd take it. There isn't.

This is a position I can respect 👍🏻

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Caleb8844 · 10-29-2016, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveC

that's not even close to what's going on here. try to read deeper than at a "cursory" level. you can't just ignore context or invent it to fit whatever meaning you decide to assign beforehand, that's not how this works.

If the first leaked emails implying Obama had knowledge of the server weren't obvious enough...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hacke...ming-he-didnt/

Quote:

"We need to clean this up. He has emails from her – they do not say state.gov.”

Perhaps we need to do a deeper literary analysis of the text to determine what it really means...

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**Headache in a Suitcase** · 10-29-2016, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb8844

I think it would be hard to defend classifying the leaking of privately held offensive conversations as "whistle-blowing," but for the sake of argument, we can use a more directly analogous example:

Should we have forgone any discussion of Donald Trump's leaked tax returns? Those were absolutely illegally leaked - very unlikely that Trump put those out himself.

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Except they probably weren't leaked illegally... and probably is probably likely as he never threatened to sue anyone there.

The rumor is that the person who "leaked" the returns was someone who had every legal right to do so... his ex wife

Caleb8844 · 10-29-2016, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Except they probably weren't leaked illegally... and probably is probably likely as he never threatened to sue anyone there.

The rumor is that the person who "leaked" the returns was someone who had every legal right to do so... his ex wife

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...tter.html?_r=0

Trump did actually threaten legal action, though. You may be right about the leaker's identity, but we don't know this.

I would argue that the leaker's identity doesn't matter to me, though - I'm still going to look at the information, regardless of how it got out there

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**Headache in a Suitcase** · 10-29-2016, 09:56 AM

I actually have zero issue with Trump taking advantage of tax law. He'd be silly not to.

It's the least of my worries with him.

Caleb8844 · 10-29-2016, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

I actually have zero issue with Trump taking advantage of tax law. He'd be silly not to.

It's the least of my worries with him.

Oh, I completely agree. People getting outraged over that perplex me.

But I actually did think it was important to see his tax returns for other reasons. If more tax returns get leaked, I will definitely look.

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**Headache in a Suitcase** · 10-29-2016, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb8844

Oh, I completely agree. People getting outraged over that perplex me.

But I actually did think it was important to see his tax returns for other reasons. If more tax returns get leaked, I will definitely look.

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The outrage is over Trump's hypocrisy. He was actively bashing others while doing the same things.

If he was just straight up from the beginning, admitted to it as a legal, non-issue, then it wouldn't have been a story for longer than one cycle.

deep · 11-02-2016, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Caleb8844

Oh, I completely agree. People getting outraged over that perplex me.

But I actually did think it was important to see his tax returns for other reasons. If more tax returns get leaked, I will definitely look.

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His tax return did not get leaked
It was stolen by an IRS employee then suppositly put in the home mailbox anonymously of a NYT writer. Why is the Obama Administration up in arms about hacked gmail accounts but not one word about government employees violating the law, why no investigation into that?

Also, how did the NYT know it was not fake, like when Dan Rather got that W. Bush military file, that ended his career?

BVS · 11-02-2016, 05:48 AM

That doesn't fall under the definition of leaked?

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**Headache in a Suitcase** · 11-02-2016, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by deep

His tax return did not get leaked
It was stolen by an IRS employee then suppositly put in the home mailbox anonymously of a NYT writer. Why is the Obama Administration up in arms about hacked gmail accounts but not one word about government employees violating the law, why no investigation into that?

Also, how did the NYT know it was not fake, like when Dan Rather got that W. Bush military file, that ended his career?

Ummm, no. It wasn't.

**Diemen** · 11-02-2016, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by deep

Also, how did the NYT know it was not fake, like when Dan Rather got that W. Bush military file, that ended his career?

Because, like responsible journalists, they looked up the accountant who did Trump's taxes at that time, contacted him to verify the authenticity of the document, and he did so?

Irvine511 · 11-02-2016, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by deep

His tax return did not get leaked
It was stolen by an IRS employee then suppositly put in the home mailbox anonymously of a NYT writer. Why is the Obama Administration up in arms about hacked gmail accounts but not one word about government employees violating the law, why no investigation into that?

Also, how did the NYT know it was not fake, like when Dan Rather got that W. Bush military file, that ended his career?

It's fun knowing that we can believe whatever we want to believe regardless of facts.

BVS · 11-02-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

It's fun knowing that we can believe whatever we want to believe regardless of facts.

It's how Trump got where he is...

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deep · 11-02-2016, 04:05 PM

Thanks
But you give me too much credit, it's the corruption of insider politics that put Trump there.

Salome · 11-02-2016, 05:33 PM

Is there such a thing as 'outsider politics'?

LuckyNumber7 · 11-02-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Salome

Is there such a thing as 'outsider politics'?

Populism.

Vlad n U 2 · 11-02-2016, 06:10 PM

Still find it hard to believe that Trump, part of the bourgeoisie all his life, can be considered an 'outsider' in any way, shape or form.

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DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 22,964 Local Time: 03:19 PM	that post is so dumb on so many levels i don't even know where to begin. you fail catastrophically every time you try to be clever. __________________

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Diemen Resident Photo Buff Forum Moderator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Somewhere in middle America Posts: 13,690 Local Time: 02:19 PM	Dave, cool it. __________________

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Salome you are what you is Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Netherlands Posts: 22,070 Local Time: 09:19 PM	Is there such a thing as 'outsider politics'? __________________ “Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.” ~Frank Zappa

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Vlad n U 2 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28,387 Local Time: 05:49 AM	Still find it hard to believe that Trump, part of the bourgeoisie all his life, can be considered an 'outsider' in any way, shape or form. __________________

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10-28-2016, 07:08 PM	#543
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 22,964 Local Time: 03:19 PM	play stupid games, win stupid prizes i'm not thrilled that my concern for my friends in the military was taken as an opportunity for a shitty joke, but no worries, i'm done with this.

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Headache in a Suitcase Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 74,552 Local Time: 03:19 PM	I actually have zero issue with Trump taking advantage of tax law. He'd be silly not to. It's the least of my worries with him.

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BVS Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: between my head and heart Posts: 41,232 Local Time: 02:19 PM	That doesn't fall under the definition of leaked? Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference

11-02-2016, 04:05 PM	#557
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 11:19 AM	Thanks But you give me too much credit, it's the corruption of insider politics that put Trump there.