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Old 10-26-2010, 02:03 PM   #21
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:29 PM   #22
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i only watched 20 seconds of that interview and immediately disliked this Assange bloke. bit of a fucking joke to attack the world's media for "not doing a good enough job" when they're just being ethical.
It's a bit of a simplistic view on the matter.

I think it's always a good idea to have groups out there to counter-balance the politicians. Yes, many things are classified for a good reason, but on the other hand, many things are classified because they are potentially devastatingly damaging to those who keep them secret in the first place.

In other news, I'm interested to see what's revealed about the Russian government, coming soon:
WikiLeaks ready to drop a bombshell on Russia. But will Russians get to read about it? - CSMonitor.com
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:21 PM   #23
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To protect the guilty?
Other Iraqis?

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Yes, many things are classified for a good reason, but on the other hand, many things are classified because they are potentially devastatingly damaging to those who keep them secret in the first place.
So we should trust Assange's judgement?
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So we should trust Assange's judgement?
No, I don't think we should implicitly trust Assange's judgement, nor the judgement of news editors, nor the judgement of the Pentagon, nor that of the U.S. Government.

The information is going to get out there, and whoever is reading it can hopefully make up a rational opinion based on everything available.

At the end of the day, Wikileaks and other sites who try to leak secret government and military documents are probably doing these institutions a favour by dragging them kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

It's pretty obvious there's a fundamental disconnect with reality at the Pentagon when they're buying 10,000 copies of a book to destroy in the DIGITAL AGE.
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Old 10-26-2010, 05:00 PM   #25
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That depends on where your infection is located.
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Other Iraqis?
No wonder you're joining the military.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:14 PM   #27
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If you can't even entertain the idea that American soldiers have done wrong and believe that only the "enemy" is guilty of anything, the US military probably seems like a great idea.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:30 PM   #29
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If you can't even entertain the idea that American soldiers have done wrong and believe that only the "enemy" is guilty of anything, the US military probably seems like a great idea.
I'm not even going to try and argue with someone who feels that joining the US military is wrong on the grounds that it is full of war criminals... wonderful
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I'm not even going to try and argue with someone who feels that joining the US military is wrong on the grounds that it is full of war criminals... wonderful
how simplistic.
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Living in the wonderful liberal state of vermont, I have actually been asked on several occasions by people with a straight face, asking/saying that "I just wanna go kill people." That really bothers me. Sorry if I was a little touchy.
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I'm not even going to try and argue with someone who feels that joining the US military is wrong on the grounds that it is full of war criminals... wonderful
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I have a problem with you saying the opposite, that there is no wrong-doing in the military. If that's not what you're saying, then you were inarticulate in your response to Canadiens.
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Living in the wonderful liberal state of vermont, I have actually been asked on several occasions by people with a straight face, asking/saying that "I just wanna go kill people." That really bothers me. Sorry if I was a little touchy.
I have family members in the military. I don't think they want to go kill people. That's not why I have problems with it.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:57 PM   #34
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Ohh. Well what I was saying is the majority of the civilian casualties were killed by Iraqi insurgents. But none-the-less, of course there are bad apples in our military, and instances of abuse. This is going to happen in any armed conflict. War can bring out the best of people, but also the worst.
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Ohh. Well what I was saying is the majority of the civilian casualties were killed by Iraqi insurgents. But none-the-less, of course there are bad apples in our military, and instances of abuse. This is going to happen in any armed conflict. War can bring out the best of people, but also the worst.
And the United States military has covered up its own actions before (i.e. the most public example of this, Pat Tillman). These documents shed light on issues like that.
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Yeah, there are good and bad ways to go about exposing certain documents. I do know that making sure you can prove everything is legit and accurate certainly helps your case-they talked about that a bit in that interview clip. Which of the two this is, I'm not exactly sure, but I don't necessarily see a problem with revealing this sort of information sometimes. I fully understand secrecy in some purposes-protecting people from becoming targets for attackers, not wanting the "enemy" to know our next move, and all that.

But at the same time, from what I've seen/read in the news about our "enemy", they aren't exactly naive about the way we operate and sometimes seem two steps ahead of us anyway. And if there are cover-ups and protection of people for the wrong reasons-i.e., because they committed some sort of illegal activity or some abuse and such, then sorry, that stuff should be exposed. If people are scared about that stuff being reported and discussed, then, um, here's a suggestion: maybe don't do it to begin with? Certainly makes it a lot easier, doesn't it?

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War can bring out the best of people, but also the worst.
I´d like a couple of examples for war bringing out the BEST of people
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CBC News - Canada - U.S. warns Ottawa of WikiLeak release

The U.S. government has notified Ottawa that the WikiLeaks website is preparing to release sensitive U.S. diplomatic files that could damage U.S. relations with allies around the world.

U.S. officials say the documents may contain accounts of compromising conversations with political dissidents and friendly politicians and could result in the expulsion of U.S. diplomats from foreign postings.

A Foreign Affairs spokeswoman said the U.S. ambassador to Canada, David Jacobson, has phoned Minister of Foreign Affairs Lawrence Cannon to inform him of the matter.

Melissa Lantsman said the Canadian Embassy in Washington is "currently engaging" with the U.S. State Department on the matter.

A State Department spokesman said Wednesday the release of confidential communications about foreign governments probably will erode trust in the United States as a diplomatic partner.

U.S. diplomatic outposts around the world have begun notifying other governments that WikiLeaks may release the documents in the next few days.
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This leak is not going to be good. Literally, it will be like taking your 17 year old girlfriend's sexts and nude photos and putting it on the front page of CNN. Except that girl friend happens to be another country and your own country.

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This leak is not going to be good. Literally, it will be like taking your 17 year old girlfriend's sexts and nude photos and putting it on the front page of CNN. Except that girl friend happens to be another country and your own country.

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i can't quite understand the link to facebook in relation to your paragraph
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