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Old 06-07-2009, 05:26 PM   #21
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UKIP doing better than Labour. UKIP, who are anti EU, doing well in the EU elections. The irony.
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Old 06-07-2009, 05:27 PM   #22
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In most countries the opposition fared better. Also the right-wing parties did profit from these elections in far too many countries.
43.01% went voting.
I'd have thought most would've gone left, like Ireland, what with the economy. UK aside (where everyone knew this would happen) I'm surprised about the overall results coming in.
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Old 06-07-2009, 05:38 PM   #23
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France has not been hard hit by the international financial crisis, so maybe that's why Sarkozy's party has done well.
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In Ireland, by contrast to the UK the Libertas party (similar-ish to the UKIP) have not done particularly well.
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In The Netherlands, the PVV, Muslimbashers lead by Geert Wilders, have done too well!
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:20 AM   #26
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I'd have thought most would've gone left, like Ireland, what with the economy. UK aside (where everyone knew this would happen) I'm surprised about the overall results coming in.
In many countries the right wing parties could capitalize on the fears and confusion of the public better than the left.
I guess the dangerous immigrant still is more compelling than Marx/Engels/Lenin being the saviour, to use some of the images used here. And especially in Eastern Europe I would assume that less people turn to the Socialists when it is going economically bad. Though, considering how a lot of East Germans who haven't profited from the reunion now see the GDR through pink-tinted glasses it wouldn't have come as such a big surprise.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:29 AM   #27
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^ That's right. In my country the social democrats totally flopped because they couldn't communicate properly if they were in fact for or against the European Union. All the left parties lost, the right parties won and the Conservatives ended up being the strongest party, they had the clearest pro-EU programme of all parties. Bitter, but it was to be expected. The campaigns of most parties were beyond crappy. I always vote green, but the Green Party is totally crumbling here because there are a lot of fights going on inside the party which is a shame, they just cannot get themselves together. Economically tough and instable times like these always provide the gound for right-wing parties, because they are very good at stirring up people's fears.
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I voted for the Green's in the European election and Lib Dem's in the local election. For the general election I will only vote for the two major parties and I'm going to vote Tory for the first time because I find Gordon Brown and Labour hopeless.

It's Labour's fault that the BNP got a few seats. They really cannot control immigration, so this leads to disillusionment and some people will vote for them not realizing that last year its leader was involved in controversy over the fact that he was supporting a well known hollocaust deniers. I prefer UKIP because they prove that a party can hold sensible ideas about immigration without being fascist.
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Old 06-11-2009, 08:31 AM   #29
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I voted for the Green's in the European election and Lib Dem's in the local election. For the general election I will only vote for the two major parties and I'm going to vote Tory for the first time because I find Gordon Brown and Labour hopeless.
You really, really need to understand the implications of this. Everything that Labour have thus far done, and been so largely condemned for, is evidence of them moving further right - closer to the Tories. A Conservative vote in the next general election will not be one for change, but for more of the same thing - if not worse. They're planning on cutting public spending (goodbye, NHS! Hello foundation hospitals! Hello trust schools!), and while taxes will decrease, they'll only make an impact for people on the upper end of the scale and it won't be enough to cover extra costs we'll be paying in health, education, increased public transport prices etc.
So while I, like you, feel disillusioned with the current Labour government and pretty pissed off with Gordon Brown, going Tory is not the answer. I'm holding out for a change in leadership (which will make a massive difference, and get rid of this failing 'New' Labour) or, if this doesn't happen, Lib Dem.
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You really, really need to understand the implications of this. Everything that Labour have thus far done, and been so largely condemned for, is evidence of them moving further right - closer to the Tories. A Conservative vote in the next general election will not be one for change, but for more of the same thing - if not worse. They're planning on cutting public spending (goodbye, NHS! Hello foundation hospitals! Hello trust schools!), and while taxes will decrease, they'll only make an impact for people on the upper end of the scale and it won't be enough to cover extra costs we'll be paying in health, education, increased public transport prices etc.
So while I, like you, feel disillusioned with the current Labour government and pretty pissed off with Gordon Brown, going Tory is not the answer. I'm holding out for a change in leadership (which will make a massive difference, and get rid of this failing 'New' Labour) or, if this doesn't happen, Lib Dem.
Yeah I know Labour have gone to the right. New Labour= another Tory party. But any other vote is completely wasted in a general election, even Lib Dem (once a centre party now a left wing party). To be honest with you by biggest worry, more than anything, is the introduction of ID cards that Labour want to introduce. The Tories said that they would scrap ID cards. This increasing of government snooping is getting a real concern for me. Besides just because someone says they are right wing it's not always a euthanism for being dangerous. Cameroon has a particular threat like Hitler anymore than Brown does. I just think Brown is inept. I've known plenty of people who declare themselves as being liberal who turn out to be complete d*******s. The guy on a radio station that I listen to has said that he's known people who actually are members of an extreme radical left wing party and live in a large period townhouse in Notting Hill. Talk about hippocracy. The extreme left can be just as dangerous as the extreme right. Wasn't Stalin and Lenin two left wing leaders?
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Old 06-11-2009, 10:16 AM   #31
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I agree - extremes can be bad. But the Torys initially agreed with the ID card scheme in a way of curbing excessive immigration - they only changed their take on the policy when it became glaringly obvious the public was in great disagreement. Same can be said for their take on the terror holding periods, they were in agreement until the public expressed extreme opposition. Which proves, much like the Labour party, the Conservatives are not doing what they believe - but pandering to the public.
I don't think the wasted vote argument will apply soon, if they really are working on electoral reform as they say they are. And even if it is a wasted vote, you can't base your vote on 'well, I'd prefer a Tory government' when a Tory government will be twice as bad. They aren't change.
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About public funding. The Labour party are responsible for wasting billions on bailing out the banks. Where did this unimaginable sum come from? I bet public services will be cut. Of course Brown is the best guy to take us out of recession, he was one responsible for putting us in this shit. Plus all those people who say who say, least he's not Blair, he wasn't responsible for Iraq, . Not only was he pretty high up in government and one of the most powerful people in the country, but as the chancellor he funded it. He approved of it twice. If he never agreed to it, and he was a man of principle and he had balls (which clearly he has neither), he would of done what the late Robin Cook done and leave he's position of Foriegn Secretary. I respected Robin for that.
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