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Veteran Suicides More Common Than Gun Violence
Hard to believe, but this is what the Department of VA, Children's Defense Fund and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say:
__________________![]() Veteran Suicides Outpace Combat Deaths, Child Gun Deaths (INFOGRAPHIC) I really wish there was a way I can do something. This is both tragic and appalling. Our government sent these troops to fight one war that lasted too long and another we should never have gotten into, and I feel as if it does little to help veterans' mental health. Heck, Bush should do something since he did this to them. But he's too busy painting pictures of his dog. |
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I agree that going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan
__________________was not a good idea. We are not waging a real war, like WW2, but trying to do some kind of police / do democracy like us action. It was doomed to fail from the start. It's really sad that so many American soldiers have died. Concerning gun violence: I read today that more guns are used for suicides than murder in the U.S. If you take away other homicides related to gangs/drug cartels, gun violence in the U.S. is actually very low. |
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gun violence and all crime is going down and has been going down for some time
but I am not sure I would say gun violence is low in America? how does the homicide rate compare per capita? what are the murder rates per 100,000 people. and what are the gun deaths per 100,000 ? those are the metrics. I think Honduras has the highest homicide rate. |
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I don't understand why you seem so bent on ignoring facts. Those facts were not from the NRA, but the U.S. Department of Justice May 2013. I'm not trying to convince you are others here again on this thread. |
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Would you agree, relative to other western countries, the US has a gun problem? Great news it's going down, but it's still a huge issue for you guys
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I had friend who did a medical residency in a VA hospital, and she said working with the young vets was so hard, it was by far the worst thing in her training. She said that they are coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan with completely new kinds of trauma, and the medical community has basically no idea what to do with them.
One thing they are doing is defining up the requirements for combat related post traumatic stress disorder to control the numbers and make it look less bad, which also makes it harder to qualify for treatment. |
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Where did you get this information? We are by no means perfect in dealing with PTSD, but I'm not sure how you can say we're "defining up" when the military didn't even have a definition a decade ago, and treatment for PTSD was almost unheard of during the beginning of the 2000's. Now we have colonels speaking about it in commencement speeches, we are recognizing it in military dogs, and we are treating it as a real disorder and not just "toughen up soldier". We have a ways to go, but for something that is very newly acknowledged in the military, we've made huge strides in such a short time.
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I admit its hearsay from my friend, who delivers care. It has to do with experiencing a direct threat to one's own personal safety. So that if you witnessed an atrocity but were not yourself in physical danger, it might not count. Or if you were forced to perpetrate something on an innocent but were not actually in danger, it might not. That's pretty key for the guys who fly drones from bases.
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I'm not sure if it's been changed yet or not, but I know there's been a push for this. You're right, these soldiers wouldn't have qualified before, but you also have to remember this is a fairly new role in the military. So the definition is actually broadening as we speak, and not the other way around. But like everything else when it comes to behavioral science I think we're careful not to broaden definitions too far or too fast. Terms like disorder or syndrome are being defined too loosely in certain areas of civilian medicine, which is allowing for a whole generation to be medicated, so I think that's why there are sometimes what seems like slow moves in these areas.
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I also see no difference in the trauma experienced by a drone pilot and a conventional aircraft pilot firing a laser guided maverick from 20 kms out
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Here's the wording in DSM-5:
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