US Politics XXXVIII: "Patriots" vs Reality

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by clerks

You have to be fucking kidding me? You seem to overlook that the asshole WAS PRESIDENT FROM 2016-2020 and barely lost in 2020 and now is in a 50/50 race in 2024 even though he's on trial every single day until Nov 2024.

I don't want to be right. But you are the ones that can't do math.

HE WILL NEVER BE IN PRISON ONE DAY IN HIS LIFE.

You guys make it sound like Trump lost to Clinton in 2016...

I’m with you.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by clerks

You have to be fucking kidding me? You seem to overlook that the asshole WAS PRESIDENT FROM 2016-2020 and barely lost in 2020 and now is in a 50/50 race in 2024 even though he's on trial every single day until Nov 2024.

I don't want to be right. But you are the ones that can't do math.

HE WILL NEVER BE IN PRISON ONE DAY IN HIS LIFE.

You guys make it sound like Trump lost to Clinton in 2016...

Trump got crushed by Biden in 2020.

[clerks]

Let me ask you this, why do you think Trump thought calling Georgia (and other states that they haven't reported much on) and trying to turn 11,000 votes mattered if it was a LANDSLIDE for Biden?

He's going to get indicted for it, but the plan was based on the fact that if he could flip the votes, he'd win Georgia.

I know I'm not alone in thinking this, but you guys and gals I think of as smart and good people -- and I just worry that you can't see the facts.

This is why GOP wins often. Good people think logic works. Good people think Biden won in a landslide and will again. I wish it was that easy.

Only 2 people can win. As a Pats fan let me tell you that 19-0 sounds good on paper. But real life you get 18-1.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by clerks

They did that in 2020. And if 40,000 votes went the other way in the states that mattered, Trump would be in charge right now.

You guys seem to ignore that SIMPLE MATH.

And the fact that 3rd parties stayed out of it mostly in 2020, not so in 2016 -- and in 2024 here comes NO LABELS and others to take votes away from Biden...

We live in a razor thin society political wise...

I'm just dumbfounded.

I guess all I can really recommend is pay attention to what's actually happening and don't put all of your stock on the shock and horror headlines that the likes of CNN and MSNBC put out there to keep you watching.

[clerks]

Originally Posted by mikal

Trump got crushed by Biden in 2020.

He did not. It's about electoral college not popular vote.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/94068...the-presidency

Also, people have short memories and even if Biden won by 99% in last election he can still lose in 2024.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by clerks

You have to be fucking kidding me? You seem to overlook that the asshole WAS PRESIDENT FROM 2016-2020 and barely lost in 2020 and now is in a 50/50 race in 2024 even though he's on trial every single day until Nov 2024.

I don't want to be right. But you are the ones that can't do math.

HE WILL NEVER BE IN PRISON ONE DAY IN HIS LIFE.

You guys make it sound like Trump lost to Clinton in 2016...

He will be in prison.

You're so focused on 2016 you're ignoring every other election.

Here's another thing... The GOP? They're fucking broke. They're broke! The state organizations in these all important swing stats have no money. The national GOP is bleeding cash.

Why? All of their money is going to trump's fucking legal defense. Honestly. They have no money. How do you run a ground campaign to win an election in close battle ground states with no money and no foundation?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ouch-cushions/

And yea, buddy's going to jail.

[clerks]

Originally Posted by mikal

I guess all I can really recommend is pay attention to what's actually happening and don't put all of your stock on the shock and horror headlines that the likes of CNN and MSNBC put out there to keep you watching.

If that's where you think I'm getting this info, then you'd be wrong. A lot of it comes from reading and podcasts and paying attention.

I don't watch CNN.

MSNBC doesn't talk much about this stuff, it's all about Trump going to jail which we know won't happen.

It's not shock and horror. It's facts.

I don't know where you are getting your info from?

[clerks]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

He will be in prison.

You're so focused on 2016 you're ignoring every other election.

Here's another thing... The GOP? They're fucking broke. They're broke! The state organizations in these all important swing stats have no money. The national GOP is bleeding cash.

Why? All of their money is going to trump's fucking legal defense. Honestly. They have no money. How do you run a ground campaign to win an election in close battle ground states with no money and no foundation?

And yea, buddy's going to jail.

He's not going to jail. I feel bad for anyone that thinks that. Plea deals anyone? This country won't put Trump in jail.

GOP -- is broke? That is the dumbest thing you've ever said. Congrats!

I'm ignoring every other election?

You make it sound like we won the house and control the Senate 75-25.

We lost 3 SCOTUS seats. We kept the house close, but lost it.

Manchin and Sinema are basically GOP LITE.

in 2024 good chances GOP takes the Senate back. Maybe we get the House back. But if we lose the presidency, who cares?

Best part is I bet we agree 99% on issues except we can't seem to agree Trump being the nominee is scary as fuck.

[clerks]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ouch-cushions/

That's a conservative website/magazine. Mostly opinion pieces like all these sites. Obviously they are trying to get clicks and it's easy story to write. It's bullshit. Just a great way to get rich white people to panic and send more money.

The author is by the way Scott Howard, a student at the University of Florida, is a summer intern at National Review.

AN INTERN.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/20/11831...llar-donations

GOP always always has more money funding them. Also Trump is a fake rich guy too.

[clerks]

FYI, I hope i'm wrong, Trump goes to jail today. But he hasn't even been fingerprinted or taken a mug shot because he's being treated better than any criminal in history.

[clerks]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I’m with you.

Thank you. Again for our sake I hope the Democrats nominee (i assume Biden) wins, but it's now always very very close due to the system which is the electoral college, not popular vote. So 40 states don't really matter to start with.

If this was based on the entire country hitting a button on their phone for who should be in charge, yeah I think Biden wins easily popular vote.

But we still live in a country where 50% of the people don't even fucking vote. And the other 50% is split almost evenly. It's depressing.

And I hate most of the GOP candidates, but to think Trump is still their leader and going to get a chance to run (and hopefully lose) again to Biden is bad politics on their part. And scary to watch as a human.

[MrsSpringsteen]

I can see the facts, no one thought that Trump could ever win in 2016 either. Be afraid, be very afraid. Hate to say it but I bet he doesn't go to prison either, dude gets away with everything.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Stopped by to say that “Barbie” is the best piece of art created in response to the Dobbs so far.

I had no interest in seeing it, but everything I've read about it makes me want to see it.

[mikal]

If your baseless fear and outrage can bring out the voters, I'm all for it!

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

I had no interest in seeing it, but everything I've read about it makes me want to see it.

It’s smart and clever and funny and very political. Not really sure the “plot” works, but there’s a lot to love about it.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by clerks

He's not going to jail. I feel bad for anyone that thinks that. Plea deals anyone? This country won't put Trump in jail.

GOP -- is broke? That is the dumbest thing you've ever said. Congrats!

I'm ignoring every other election?

You make it sound like we won the house and control the Senate 75-25.

We lost 3 SCOTUS seats. We kept the house close, but lost it.

Manchin and Sinema are basically GOP LITE.

in 2024 good chances GOP takes the Senate back. Maybe we get the House back. But if we lose the presidency, who cares?

Best part is I bet we agree 99% on issues except we can't seem to agree Trump being the nominee is scary as fuck.

The fact that you're disputing the finances part of the argument definitely shows your lack of understanding of what's actually going on. Not even worth the back and forth at this point.

But like I said, I do like the outrage and hope that outrage influences the left to vote in waves because we also need to take back the House. The GOP uses boogeymen to drive votes all the time, so hey, if it works it works!

[Headache in a Suitcase]

yea i'm just going to sit this one out.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Look https://www.newsweek.com/republicans...-trump-1811358

At https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/0...ar-up-for-2024

How https://www.thedailybeast.com/arizon...enow-its-broke

Dumb https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/na...a064dee95.html

I https://coloradosun.com/2023/05/24/c...dave-williams/

Am https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...oney-rcna96156

[clerks]

Great job sitting it out headache? Aren't we still best friends? I didn't call you dumb. I said what you said was dumb. What are you stupid? Get it? Ask mikal to explain it to you.

You guys really believe the GOP is out of money? That's the argument? Okay. It's all Summer clickbait.

Plenty of money for GOP candidates when we get to 2024.

You are falling for the narrative.... so more people will give money to the GOP. Same way they attack Biden and send out fundraiser emails. It's all scare tactics from the right.

Trump is bankrupt on paper too. That's how rich people do it.

You believe the same things you told me NOT to believe from news. It's great!

[clerks]

Barbie is a great movie. I enjoyed it. Greta is amazing talent. Margot is top notch. It's not a political movie -- that's so annoying. It's just a movie that has a strong female POV, so it must be making a huge statement like girls can be equal to men. It's only political because it's 2023 and everything is.

They started working on this a long time ago so to say it's related to any current events is wrong.

Amy Schumer was going to play Barbie with Diablo Cody writing it -- a much different movie. That I would have loved.