US Politics XXXV: My Insurrection Lasted More Than 4 Hours

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Right. Attempted murder is ok cause you didn’t actually get the result

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

I think it was said at the time they one of the upsides of voter suppression is that people tend to vote more when they know people don’t want them to vote and are trying to stop them. I’m glad this appears (at the moment) to have backfired in the face of thr GOP.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/...NpMfoAd2g&s=19

[LuckyNumber7]

That’s a pretty lame thread. I doubt there are many people who are about to not vote for Biden solely based upon only getting $10k in student debt relief.

But also… the “you helped elect republicans” thing needs to stop. People who voted for republicans elected republicans. People who didn’t vote or voted third party are not helpful to your cause, but it is fundamentally the wrong direction to go if we demand a polarized two party system.

What we need is for primaries to be nationalized on the same day (and for closed primaries to be outlawed). If we had a system more like the French and Le Pen won, it would be totally fair to blame people who refused to vote for Macron since they had their chance to push their candidate through first.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

That’s a pretty lame thread. I doubt there are many people who are about to not vote for Biden solely based upon only getting $10k in student debt relief.

But also… the “you helped elect republicans” thing needs to stop. People who voted for republicans elected republicans. People who didn’t vote or voted third party are not helpful to your cause, but it is fundamentally the wrong direction to go if we demand a polarized two party system.

What we need is for primaries to be nationalized on the same day (and for closed primaries to be outlawed). If we had a system more like the French and Le Pen won, it would be totally fair to blame people who refused to vote for Macron since they had their chance to push their candidate through first.

in a two party system there are inherently a lot of people who feel left out.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Oh sure. I have no disagreement with the idea that our two party system is inherently broken.


But, uh, it's not fucking changing sooo there's that.

The overall point of that thread was to not let perfect be the enemy of good.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Orwellian much?

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https://twitter.com/chadpergram/stat...Y6y5VHGprYJhkA

Will still vote blue, but it’s so damn tiring with this talk from democrats about bipartisanship.

Why would you ever call Mitch a rational GOP? How many times does he have to pull the football away?

He will let there be debate (maybe), it’ll take a long time. People will move their attention to something else, then back off of any change

The Democrats really only have themselves to blame when they keep trying to negotiate with terrorists and bad faith

[Headache in a Suitcase]

because right now, today, the democrats are about to get slaughtered in november. they do not have the standing to tell anyone to fuck off because inflation is currently out of control and it's impacting Americans on a daily basis.

cocaine mitch knows this - so he floats out the "i'm willing to listen" line knowing that biden has no real options here.

they NEED to figure out the inflation issue - the gas issue - or it's over. even more than the covid issue - which most americans have moved on from.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

People who didn’t vote or voted third party are not helpful to your cause, but it is fundamentally the wrong direction to go if we demand a polarized two party system.

So true. Not that a legit third party is rising out of the ashes anytime soon, but your general thought of dialing down the polarization is right on.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

republicans win elections because when the time comes everyone falls in line.

democrats lose elections because they worry about being too polarizing to the fringes of the party.

[Irvine511]

Boy. That Durham “investigation” sure blew up in their faces.

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And yet dem leadership will tout the “We need to work with the other side! Reason and logic will eventually win out! The old GOP will come to its senses….”

What amazes me is all of this is out in the open. They are telling the world how they plan to rig an election.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

because right now, today, the democrats are about to get slaughtered in november. they do not have the standing to tell anyone to fuck off because inflation is currently out of control and it's impacting Americans on a daily basis.

cocaine mitch knows this - so he floats out the "i'm willing to listen" line knowing that biden has no real options here.

they NEED to figure out the inflation issue - the gas issue - or it's over. even more than the covid issue - which most americans have moved on from.

This. The gas price issue alone might not be Biden's doing, but if this keeps getting worse, then it's an easy story for the GOP to say "4 more years of that"? And not even from a reelection standpoint. People are going to start calling into work because they can't afford the drive. It's getting way out of control.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

The majority of Americans only pay attention to politics when it impacts their daily lives. You'd wish that they paid attention to the ongoing attempt by the Republicans to destroy democracy, but they don't. We do. The majority does not.

They do, however, pay attention to how much money it takes them to fill their tank. They do pay attention to how hard it is to find baby formula. They do pay attention to the fact that their paycheck doesn't go as far as it used to.

I pay attention to all this shit and not just the day to day stuff, so sure - I could never bring myself to vote for a Republican in this current atmosphere. No chance. Even someone like Larry Hogan, who had consistently been anti Trump? Sorry, can't do it.

But I have a few friends who were anti Trump - who voted for Youngkin specifically over the school issue. And no, not CRT - the delay in getting schools open and back to normal. It was a deal breaker for them with the democratic leadership - because it impacted their day to day lives. I wish they'd think of the damage that a Republican governor could do in a potential swing state in 2024 - but, again - most Americans don't follow this shit.

As always - it's the economy, stupid. They need to fix this or they can kiss the majority goodbye, and likely kiss 2024 goodbye as well. They can't solve any other issues if they aren't in power. They can't make real change without getting MORE seats. There's ZERO chance of getting more seats unless the day to day pain at the pump and at the grocery store is lifted and lifted soon.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

The majority of Americans only pay attention to politics when it impacts their daily lives. You'd wish that they paid attention to the ongoing attempt by the Republicans to destroy democracy, but they don't. We do. The majority does not.

They do, however, pay attention to how much money it takes them to fill their tank. They do pay attention to how hard it is to find baby formula. They do pay attention to the fact that their paycheck doesn't go as far as it used to.

I pay attention to all this shit and not just the day to day stuff, so sure - I could never bring myself to vote for a Republican in this current atmosphere. No chance. Even someone like Larry Hogan, who had consistently been anti Trump? Sorry, can't do it.

But I have a few friends who were anti Trump - who voted for Youngkin specifically over the school issue. And no, not CRT - the delay in getting schools open and back to normal. It was a deal breaker for them with the democratic leadership - because it impacted their day to day lives. I wish they'd think of the damage that a Republican governor could do in a potential swing state in 2024 - but, again - most Americans don't follow this shit.

As always - it's the economy, stupid. They need to fix this or they can kiss the majority goodbye, and likely kiss 2024 goodbye as well. They can't solve any other issues if they aren't in power. They can't make real change without getting MORE seats. There's ZERO chance of getting more seats unless the day to day pain at the pump and at the grocery store is lifted and lifted soon.

All of this. And it's too bad that the Republicans are so batshit crazy now because if it were 15-20 years ago, I'd just be like "oh well maybe the GOP will actually fix some of this better than the Dems could" but they're so dangerous now.

[BEAL]

15-20 years ago and the GOP platform was still

Guns
God
War
Tax cuts
Privatize schools

They just weren’t so nutso in the open. They did a master class of building their platform at the lowest levels where major media never pays attention.

Now the kooks have made it to Washington and any chance of a return to some form of decency is gone for long time.

Dems need to figure shit out AND message better. Fetterman won his primary by following the simple platform of keep it simple, stupid.

No more Defund talk. Find the simplest way to get your point across.

Hell, for the right price Trump would probably be willing to work for DNC messaging. The dude struck messaging gold with MAGA

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https://www.thenation.com/article/po...source=twitter

“Meanwhile, our side is squabbling about whether Biden should have said he thinks the dastardly McConnell is willing to make a gun safety reform deal in the wake of the Uvalde massacre (he isn’t), if the president should forgive at least $50,000 in student debt (he should), and whether Biden’s failures on those and other fronts mean people shouldn’t vote for him if he runs in 2024 (oh, hell no). Can we just establish voting as a baseline of civic duty here? The other side is recruiting zealots to be election officials to subvert democracy, and we can’t even convince people to vote? We are going to lose this war for sure if that happens.”

“I get people’s frustration, though. Most of my own, to be honest, is also with Democratic leaders, including Biden, who don’t seem to understand what they’re up against: a fanatical, well-funded, potentially violent plot to impose a dark, anti-democratic vision of America. Maybe they get it—it’s pretty damn obvious, and they lived through the January 6 insurrection—but if so, they don’t seem to be rising to meet the challenge.”

[Headache in a Suitcase]

the assassination attempt on reagan led to the brady bill.

a school shooting in california led to the assault weapons ban.

look at any high profile building in the US and you can see the impacts of oklahoma city. it also led to white nationalist militias going back underground.

9/11 led to all sorts of action - some good, some bad. but action was taken, it was immediate, and at the time it was mostly bi-partisan.

sandy hook led to... nothing. and now it's happened again.

January 6 has thus far led to... nothing.

this doesn't bode well for our future.

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1...Ck0vOq6E7KpTKw

The government knows best when GQP are running it.

When Democrats are in charge it’s socialism/communism

And more government overreach

https://twitter.com/dc_dewitt/status...Ck0vOq6E7KpTKw