US Politics XXXIV: Biden Against the Manchine (Live at the Sinema) - Page 6

Bluer White · 11-02-2021, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BEAL

Mo money, mo problems

This story is a few days old now, but seems timely to mention in the forum tonight.

Biden Administration Reportedly Considering $450,000 Payments To Families Separated At Southern Border
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annakap...h=76bce52c66f4

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The U.S. Departments of Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services are in talks to offer each person who had been separated $450,000, the Journal reports, citing multiple sources close to the discussions.

The offer comes to nearly $1 million per family, as most families who crossed the border included one parent and one child, though the Journal reports the official number could change.

Headache in a Suitcase · 11-02-2021, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluer White

This story is a few days old now, but seems timely to mention in the forum tonight.

Biden Administration Reportedly Considering $450,000 Payments To Families Separated At Southern Border

https://www.forbes.com/sites/annakap...h=76bce52c66f4

This is a horse shit, bad faith post.

They're discussing the settling of a lawsuit, not a policy decision. If they let it go to trial they may have to pay even more.

Headache in a Suitcase · 11-02-2021, 10:55 PM

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/stat...EvTlXFcgQ&s=19

Headache in a Suitcase · 11-02-2021, 11:01 PM

https://twitter.com/mahoneyw/status/...arz6L6snQ&s=19

BEAL · 11-02-2021, 11:14 PM

Seems like narrative is GQP can run on CRT to spook the white folks, and wink and nod to the smallish Trump base to keep the fire burning there.

Dems had better hope economy stays afloat and covid shit is basically done next year.

Even if they pass legislation to help people, it’s not like they’re good at messaging to let everyone know it was them that extended this relief.

BEAL · 11-02-2021, 11:38 PM

https://twitter.com/respectablelaw/s...420685826?s=21

DaveC · 11-02-2021, 11:40 PM

there's a huge boulder rolling down a steep hill and i'm not sure if anyone can stop it anymore.

LuckyNumber7 · 11-02-2021, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/stat...EvTlXFcgQ&s=19

I mean wasn’t that the deal all along? People hated Trump. Nobody united voters like Trump did. Nobody brought them out like Trump did. We reset. You better bet your ass that the Republicans win if 2024 is boring.

Vincent Vega · 11-03-2021, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluer White

This story is a few days old now, but seems timely to mention in the forum tonight.

Biden Administration Reportedly Considering $450,000 Payments To Families Separated At Southern Border
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annakap...h=76bce52c66f4

I know the rhetoric often suggests otherwise, but non-Americans actually have rights too, and if these rights get violated, they have claims to reparation.

Headache in a Suitcase · 11-03-2021, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I mean wasn’t that the deal all along? People hated Trump. Nobody united voters like Trump did. Nobody brought them out like Trump did. We reset. You better bet your ass that the Republicans win if 2024 is boring.

indeed.

now if the democrats can get their shit together - and at this time next year COVID is in the rear view mirror, the economy is booming, the supply chain issues have resolved, and the agenda has passed?

hey - the democrats will be just fine.

but if this shit lingers into 2022, and the democrats still can't get out of their own way (woah woah oh ohhhhh) and keep letting perfect get in the way of good? it's going to be a blood bath.

pass something. stop bitching about two senators, find out what they want, and pass it. get it done.

mikal · 11-03-2021, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

indeed.

now if the democrats can get their shit together - and at this time next year COVID is in the rear view mirror, the economy is booming, the supply chain issues have resolved, and the agenda has passed?

hey - the democrats will be just fine.

but if this shit lingers into 2022, and the democrats still can't get out of their own way (woah woah oh ohhhhh) and keep letting perfect get in the way of good? it's going to be a blood bath.

pass something. stop bitching about two senators, find out what they want, and pass it. get it done.

Hopefully or Lincoln's ghost will be rolling in his grave.

Headache in a Suitcase · 11-03-2021, 08:27 AM

the democrats do have this going for them...

https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/s...86647891988481

the republicans still need to separate themselves from the orange menace without alienating his base. it's entirely possible that heading into 2022 that they eat themselves alive.

Irvine511 · 11-03-2021, 10:10 AM

It’s sad seeing that white racial resentment still works, but we knew it did.

The country is in a frustrating place. Thanks to certain state governors and idiot-crybaby citizens (I just drove cross country through many red states and not a mask in sight), COVID is still here and life isn’t normal and everyone hates that. Sinema and Manchin see their role as trying to impede any sort of legislative progress (“what are the D’s doing and how can I fuck with it to strengthen my brand?”), and Biden took the bulleit to get us out of Afghanistan. It was a tough summer and fall.

2022 doesn’t have to be this way. We do need to realize that anything left of center-left is politically toxic and to denounce those who would defund the police and/or whatever other silly policies that may make intellectual sense but sound like they are from outer space to everyday people.

We need to understand that politically conservative voters have now voluntarily subjected themselves to levels of propaganda unmatched in our history. The right wing media complex, which includes Facebook and YouTube, has distorted reality for a lot of folks. That wasn’t quite the case even as little as 10 years ago.

At the end of the day, though, so long as Trump isn’t president, we’ll survive.

For a bit. The biggest issue facing the planet is climate change, and the Republican Party seem to want to do everything they can to make it worse.

Headache in a Suitcase · 11-03-2021, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

We do need to realize that anything left of center-left is politically toxic and to denounce those who would defund the police and/or whatever other silly policies that may make intellectual sense but sound like they are from outer space to everyday people.

to build on this - democrats need to realize that yes, everyday people vote and no, everyday people do not watch Rachel Maddow every night and only pay attention to politics when it a) directly impacts their lives (i.e. gas prices, inflation, jobs, etc.) or b) just before the election.

BEAL · 11-03-2021, 11:30 AM

It comes down to messaging.

The GQP can rile up their base with their racism and conspiracies, but they can also scare the burbs with the messaging that Dems will fuck with your schools. Whether it's CRT, School Closures (which hopefully are less and less cause it means covid is under control), or insert whatever the next paranoia is about what kids will have to deal with.

This ignores the fact that Dems have tried to pass sensible gun laws to protect children at schools, but that's greeted with MA GUNS AND FREEDOMM!!!

The policies that Dems want to pass (and do) are extremely popular, but due to their messaging people believe it's evil until they discover the benefit for themselves.

Stop running on Trump being on the ballot. He's not. Let him run again and see, but right now the GQP are taking control of local and state houses of government and restricting the vote for 2022 and beyond.

Trying to OUT VOTE didn't work lasts night. You have to be better at telling people what you stand for cause at the moment, no one knows what the Democratic party does or believes in. It can't just be, WE'RE NOT TRUMP!!

Biden and others need to pressure the shit out of Joe M. It sounds like Kyrsten may be on board so it comes down to one dude who loves the attention he's creating. Give him what he wants to just pass something. Then run on that message.

This is the last shot Dems have, cause 2022 and they lose they'll have nothing to run on for 2024.

Headache in a Suitcase · 11-03-2021, 12:02 PM

I've been looking for this quote since i heard it last night and almost fell off my couch...

"There are some in the Obama Coalition who don’t want to deal with history. Don’t want to deal with Thomas Jefferson."
-Joy Reid

... um, yea. no shit. it was 200 years ago.

if you told me that the right purposefully suckered the left into this whole statue and canceling of people from the past thing, i'd believe you.

yes, Joy. your average voter does not give a shit about Thomas Jefferson. they give a shit about what impacts their lives now, today.

that doesn't mean that thomas jefferson wasn't racist as fuck - or that there isn't a direct line from slavery through jim crow all the way up to policies regarding policing and housing today. there is. the average american voter's attention span isn't long enough to understand that. we're dumb. we are a stupid stupid nation. simplify your message, focus publicly on what you are going to do about today/now, and get some shit done.

BEAL · 11-03-2021, 03:00 PM

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status...340682240?s=21

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status...195382275?s=21

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status...987434499?s=21

Identity politics isn’t going to work for Dems. Bannon called it years ago (and btw, he’s still defying a congress subpoena)

Pass stuff that helps people. Tell people what you did. Attack the other side as fucking traitors cause that’s what they are. They all support the big lie (minus 2-3 reps but they still vote against anything dem related)

Be a stronger party. Your policies are popular

LuckyNumber7 · 11-03-2021, 03:53 PM

Isn’t a lot of this a bit unnecessary? We know that mid terms and non general elections do not have the same demographics. We know republicans show up and democrats don’t

Bluer White · 11-03-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I mean wasn’t that the deal all along? People hated Trump. Nobody united voters like Trump did. Nobody brought them out like Trump did. We reset.

A slight reset and yes, a little reality check, is okay.

And your point on off year and midterm elections is so true. Virginia & NJ go a bit beyond that. You're still right.

LemonMelon · 11-03-2021, 08:34 PM

NJ incumbent retains his seat. Way too tight but it is what it is.

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11-02-2021, 10:55 PM	#103
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 72,184 Local Time: 05:09 AM	https://twitter.com/BillKristol/stat...EvTlXFcgQ&s=19

11-02-2021, 11:01 PM	#104
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 72,184 Local Time: 05:09 AM	https://twitter.com/mahoneyw/status/...arz6L6snQ&s=19

11-02-2021, 11:14 PM	#105
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,098 Local Time: 09:09 AM	Seems like narrative is GQP can run on CRT to spook the white folks, and wink and nod to the smallish Trump base to keep the fire burning there. Dems had better hope economy stays afloat and covid shit is basically done next year. Even if they pass legislation to help people, it’s not like they’re good at messaging to let everyone know it was them that extended this relief.

11-02-2021, 11:38 PM	#106
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,098 Local Time: 09:09 AM	https://twitter.com/respectablelaw/s...420685826?s=21

11-02-2021, 11:40 PM	#107
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the teeth of the hydra Posts: 22,735 Local Time: 05:09 AM	there's a huge boulder rolling down a steep hill and i'm not sure if anyone can stop it anymore.

11-03-2021, 08:27 AM	#112
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 72,184 Local Time: 05:09 AM	the democrats do have this going for them... https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/s...86647891988481 the republicans still need to separate themselves from the orange menace without alienating his base. it's entirely possible that heading into 2022 that they eat themselves alive.

11-03-2021, 10:10 AM	#113
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,128 Local Time: 05:09 AM	It’s sad seeing that white racial resentment still works, but we knew it did. The country is in a frustrating place. Thanks to certain state governors and idiot-crybaby citizens (I just drove cross country through many red states and not a mask in sight), COVID is still here and life isn’t normal and everyone hates that. Sinema and Manchin see their role as trying to impede any sort of legislative progress (“what are the D’s doing and how can I fuck with it to strengthen my brand?”), and Biden took the bulleit to get us out of Afghanistan. It was a tough summer and fall. 2022 doesn’t have to be this way. We do need to realize that anything left of center-left is politically toxic and to denounce those who would defund the police and/or whatever other silly policies that may make intellectual sense but sound like they are from outer space to everyday people. We need to understand that politically conservative voters have now voluntarily subjected themselves to levels of propaganda unmatched in our history. The right wing media complex, which includes Facebook and YouTube, has distorted reality for a lot of folks. That wasn’t quite the case even as little as 10 years ago. At the end of the day, though, so long as Trump isn’t president, we’ll survive. For a bit. The biggest issue facing the planet is climate change, and the Republican Party seem to want to do everything they can to make it worse.

11-03-2021, 11:30 AM	#115
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,098 Local Time: 09:09 AM	It comes down to messaging. The GQP can rile up their base with their racism and conspiracies, but they can also scare the burbs with the messaging that Dems will fuck with your schools. Whether it's CRT, School Closures (which hopefully are less and less cause it means covid is under control), or insert whatever the next paranoia is about what kids will have to deal with. This ignores the fact that Dems have tried to pass sensible gun laws to protect children at schools, but that's greeted with MA GUNS AND FREEDOMM!!! The policies that Dems want to pass (and do) are extremely popular, but due to their messaging people believe it's evil until they discover the benefit for themselves. Stop running on Trump being on the ballot. He's not. Let him run again and see, but right now the GQP are taking control of local and state houses of government and restricting the vote for 2022 and beyond. Trying to OUT VOTE didn't work lasts night. You have to be better at telling people what you stand for cause at the moment, no one knows what the Democratic party does or believes in. It can't just be, WE'RE NOT TRUMP!! Biden and others need to pressure the shit out of Joe M. It sounds like Kyrsten may be on board so it comes down to one dude who loves the attention he's creating. Give him what he wants to just pass something. Then run on that message. This is the last shot Dems have, cause 2022 and they lose they'll have nothing to run on for 2024.

11-03-2021, 12:02 PM	#116
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 72,184 Local Time: 05:09 AM	I've been looking for this quote since i heard it last night and almost fell off my couch... "There are some in the Obama Coalition who don’t want to deal with history. Don’t want to deal with Thomas Jefferson." -Joy Reid ... um, yea. no shit. it was 200 years ago. if you told me that the right purposefully suckered the left into this whole statue and canceling of people from the past thing, i'd believe you. yes, Joy. your average voter does not give a shit about Thomas Jefferson. they give a shit about what impacts their lives now, today. that doesn't mean that thomas jefferson wasn't racist as fuck - or that there isn't a direct line from slavery through jim crow all the way up to policies regarding policing and housing today. there is. the average american voter's attention span isn't long enough to understand that. we're dumb. we are a stupid stupid nation. simplify your message, focus publicly on what you are going to do about today/now, and get some shit done.

11-03-2021, 03:00 PM	#117
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,098 Local Time: 09:09 AM	https://twitter.com/whstancil/status...340682240?s=21 https://twitter.com/whstancil/status...195382275?s=21 https://twitter.com/whstancil/status...987434499?s=21 Identity politics isn’t going to work for Dems. Bannon called it years ago (and btw, he’s still defying a congress subpoena) Pass stuff that helps people. Tell people what you did. Attack the other side as fucking traitors cause that’s what they are. They all support the big lie (minus 2-3 reps but they still vote against anything dem related) Be a stronger party. Your policies are popular

11-03-2021, 03:53 PM	#118
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,325 Local Time: 04:09 AM	Isn’t a lot of this a bit unnecessary? We know that mid terms and non general elections do not have the same demographics. We know republicans show up and democrats don’t