US Politics XXXIV: Biden Against the Manchine (Live at the Sinema)

[LuckyNumber7]

I really don’t understand why everyone vilifies Elon Musk. If you think corporate board rooms have your interests in mind, think again. I’d rather have the egomaniac, at least you can hold a person accountable.

I’ve defended him in the past as an example of good capitalism versus bad capitalism, and I’ll continue to do that until he does something so egregious.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

until he does something so egregious.

Have you seen what he named his kid?

[Headache in a Suitcase]

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/...24159538065408

Perjury rhymes with Marjorie

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I really don’t understand why everyone vilifies Elon Musk. If you think corporate board rooms have your interests in mind, think again. I’d rather have the egomaniac, at least you can hold a person accountable.

I’ve defended him in the past as an example of good capitalism versus bad capitalism, and I’ll continue to do that until he does something so egregious.

The big baby wants to use his billions to buy a company because he doesn't like how it's run and you think that's good capitalism?

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by bono_212

The big baby wants to use his billions to buy a company because he doesn't like how it's run and you think that's good capitalism?

Oh come on. The big baby wants to use his billions to buy a company because it’s a platform for his ego and a platform for making his legacy. Any suggestion that he’s buying Twitter because he doesn’t like how it’s ran is superficial. Him buying Twitter is neither good nor bad capitalism. It’s just his ego.

But tell me, why didn’t we have electric cars in the 1980s? Is it because it wasn’t possible? No. It’s because it was a financial risk that corporations didn’t want to go up against because why bother when we can just keep selling the same product? Elon Musk can be declared benevolent dictator of Twitter l for all I care, if his contributions are better than the last group’s, that’s progress.

[bono_212]

Because Elon invented the electric vehicle. Right.

[DaveC]

a man who inherited a fortune from his parents' apartheid gem mines and now literally hoards billions of dollars is an example of "good capitalism"...

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Because Elon invented the electric vehicle. Right.

That’s TOTALLY what I said, SOLID read.

[BEAL]

The GQP and White House all worked together to overthrow the votes and Biden

Marshall Law was considered to be declared

We are very lucky for the few in place that held their ground. Our institutions are only as strong as the ethics of a few working in the correct places.

Which is why Trump is trying to replace them at the State level

[Irvine511]

Electric cars and their growing popularity are good.

Trump back on Twitter is good for Democrats, actually. They need an opponent who is both malevolent and stupid as well as sloppy.

[Bluer White]

Russian forces attacked 5 railway stations in Ukraine after Blinken, Lloyd visit: official
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-force...143059804.html

The reported railway attacks come after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin met with Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv on Sunday.

Blinken and Austin flew from the US to Poland and from there traveled to Kyiv by train.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by DaveC

a man who inherited a fortune from his parents' apartheid gem mines and now literally hoards billions of dollars is an example of "good capitalism"...

The guy is a positive force for the world....unless & until he becomes something else. The latter is always a possibility.

No doubt plenty of eyes are on Mr. Musk.

[LuckyNumber7]

I’m always fearful of that and nobody should have that much power, but alas that is the world we live in.

[DaveC]

he promised to give $8 billion to the UN to fight world hunger if they sent him their plan for how they would use the money and then when they did he reneged on actually giving the money. and now instead of doing anything good with $44 billion he's using it to get revenge on a tech company whose rules he didn't like.

such a positive force for the world.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by DaveC

he promised to give $8 billion to the UN to fight world hunger if they sent him their plan for how they would use the money and then when they did he reneged on actually giving the money. and now instead of doing anything good with $44 billion he's using it to get revenge on a tech company whose rules he didn't like.

such a positive force for the world.

Wow are you seriously that zero-sum such that whatever good is done is nullified by what perceived negative exists?

We have a planetary crisis and we have a hunger crisis. He’s a greedy billionaire, yes. He earmarked like $6 billion in probably-escaping-taxes charity as a result of someone challenging him to just give up $6 billion. Yes, he absolutely should be giving that money away. No, those rich greedy bastards do not just willy-nilly give away $6 billion. Neither does Twitter nor do any of Musk’s ultra rich contemporaries.

Yes, he’s an asshole. But if you think somehow that the current runners of Ford, of Toyota, of GM, of BMW, of VW, of you name it have done ANYTHING to solve our planetary climate crisis, you’re wrong. He capitalized on them for oligopolizing.

Yes, he’s an asshole. But if you think somehow that the current runners of Verizon, of AT&T, of Deutsche Telecom, of Time Warner, of Alcatel, of Huawei, of Comcast, of British Telecommunications, of you name it have provided ANY substantive technology growth in the past three decades to enable internet connectivity to underserved people, you’re wrong. And I work close with this one. He capitalized on them for oligopolizing.

Yes, he’s an asshole. But if you think somehow that the current runners of Lockheed Martin, of Boeing, of Raytheon, of Northrop Grumman have provided ANY substantive technology growth, regard for taxpayer dollars, regard for carbon neutral point to point transportation, regard for human life, regard for anything but “the shareholder,” you’re so wrong.

As an engineer who has spent the past 5 years working in his industry and parallel to his other industries, there’s nothing more frustrating than knowing, trying, and failing to create meaningful change due to a system that is only interested in MONEY. A system that is practically irreversible due to some congresspeople’s corruption or general lack of morals, or due to the sheer nature of capitalism. If this fucker wants to have the biggest ego out there that’s fine by me. If everyone is going to cross their arms about it and say “well fuck the rest of that good contribution because he’s a greedy dick who hasn’t done more,” I question whether or not anyone can actually accept betterment, or if we’re just doomed to die in some red pill blue pill bullshit tribalistic game.

[DaveC]

guess i'm not wrong then because i don't "think somehow" any of that. absolutely no clue where you're getting the idea that i think elon is uniquely evil and i'm cool with the CEOs of like raytheon and boeing lol. every CEO of every large corporation is an evil fuck - they can all go to hell.

i can't understand for the life of me why common people stan so hard for the richest man on earth who wouldn't even piss on you if you were on fire. the man shares 3 crumbs from a loaf of bread and gets praised like he's the greatest person alive.

[LuckyNumber7]

No clue where I’m getting the idea? I gave praise to his accomplishments in the name of protecting our climate and you refuted that he could be seen as a positive force for the world because he didn’t give $6 billion to charity like he said he would on Twitter.

At this point in his life, he’s been more positive than any of those companies I named. It’s a sad reality that one human can be that rich and that we need someone’s ego to be the driving force behind something we cannot accomplish as a global society, but if that’s how it’s gotta be, so be it. Hopefully if not him, another billionaire wants sainthood-like ego in exchange for becoming filthy rich on fixing famine. Does he deserve criticism? Absolutely, loads of it. Do people unnecessarily praise him as being some wicked genius who is saving us all? For sure. Does that mean he’s a net negative? No.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

https://twitter.com/ABCNews4/status/1518774952324911105

america.

[BEAL]

Just saw that.

Back in the 80s and 90s this would have been national news and probably a chance at some reform (we did have assault weapons ban for a little while).

Now we’ve just accepted that the American dream is baseball, American pie, and bullets flying over head.

As for the Elon stuff. The dude is a horrible person. Completely ego driven and fell upwards. I won’t discredit some of the good he has been a part of with innovation of the companies he owns

But we need more of Mackenzie Scott

World is run by insecure white dudes obsessed with their penis. Guess it’s the story of mankind

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Elon's Vegas tunnel system thing is a big ole duderoo. that's abou tall i've got to add to the conversation on Elon Musk.

oh, and that's it's hilarious that there are so many on the left who are outraged at elon buying twitter yet I see more Tesla's bopping around this city every day.