US Politics XXXIV: Biden Against the Manchine (Live at the Sinema) - Page 3

Bluer White · 10-20-2021, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Susan Collins didn’t represent unity and nor does Manchin or Sinema. They represent power.

They do.

Apparently they represent politicians you can't stomach. That's ok.

LuckyNumber7 · 10-20-2021, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluer White

They do.

Apparently they represent politicians you can't stomach. That's ok.

Can’t tell if you’re agreeing that they represent power or you’re disagreeing and saying they’re bipartisan.

They use their positions of power to push their agenda. Bipartisanship is Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders getting in a room and making concessions. Not one clown holding the country’s progress hostage because they know they are the key.

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-20-2021, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Remind again me why this guy was supposed to be better than just letting a dumb fuck Republican win his state

Because even the shit that still only requires 50 votes, like reconciliation and the covid relief checks that went out earlier this year, would have failed without his pasty white ass.

LuckyNumber7 · 10-21-2021, 12:35 AM

That’s an after-the-fact appreciation.

Republicans shouldn’t trust rinos and Democrats shouldn’t trust Joe Manchin. Plan to win the senate through actual means. Though I’d argue he’s less frustrating than Sinema. The people of Arizona aren’t the same as the people of West Virginia.

Irvine511 · 10-21-2021, 08:33 AM

How do we plan to win the Senate without D’s from red states, like Mr Manchin?

BEAL · 10-21-2021, 10:10 AM

We don’t.

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...369848834?s=21

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...831913477?s=21

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...958507520?s=21

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...388769283?s=21

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...716501509?s=21

And the GQP tactics of stalling seems to always work. If they win back the house it’s going to be impeachment’s and dismantling of the 1/6 commission.

Telling people to outvote the suppression when the boot is already squeezing your neck is not feasible.

We need this legislation passed now, and even with it we still need massive turnout.

LuckyNumber7 · 10-21-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

How do we plan to win the Senate without D’s from red states, like Mr Manchin?

Launch more grassroots campaigns and stop calling them “red states.” Texas is a state. Go fight for it. Maine is a state. Go fight for it. They fought and won Arizona.

Irvine511 · 10-21-2021, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Launch more grassroots campaigns and stop calling them “red states.” Texas is a state. Go fight for it. Maine is a state. Go fight for it. They fought and won Arizona.

What progressive grassroots campaign is going to win in a +35 Trump state?

Arizona is a swing state trending blue that now has two D senators. West Virginia is not.

LuckyNumber7 · 10-21-2021, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

What progressive grassroots campaign is going to win in a +35 Trump state?

Arizona is a swing state trending blue that now has two D senators. West Virginia is not.

You’re missing my point. Fuck West Virginia, it’s a lost cause. Start from the basics there, not the top down. Do better on places that are ripe.

Irvine511 · 10-21-2021, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

You’re missing my point. Fuck West Virginia, it’s a lost cause. Start from the basics there, not the top down. Do better on places that are ripe.

I don’t think “do better” is going to make much of an impact given the rural bias of the Senate and the increasing polarization along educational lines.

BEAL · 10-21-2021, 03:36 PM

Abolish the Senate

I don't see how our government in it's current form is sustainable. Too many bad faith actors within, too much $$$ and special interests, and of course the institutions themselves are outdated.

We're seeing it with this pandemic response that there's two Americas. The Red States continue to defy Federal laws / mandates, all while killing their own for political points for a small racist ignorant base.

Blue states continue to enact laws to try and help (and there'll be miscues too, governing is hard), but you see where the gains are made in the economy, where the virus is contained and you see the divide.

It's a shame because so much suffering is being done by just a handful of governors, with backing by lunatics in Congress.

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-21-2021, 03:45 PM

a good place to start is to stop focusing on things that are neeeeeeeeever ever going to happen. things such as...

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Originally Posted by BEAL

Abolish the Senate

... and other silly, never happening things such as "get rid of the electoral college" and "stack the supreme court."

focus on getting something done. "abolish the filibuster" is never, ever happening. so focus on "let's make the filibuster actually be what it was intended to be" again instead. you want to filibuster? okay. let's have mitch and lindsey stand up in front of the senate for 80 hours like jimmy fucking stewart and see how that works out.

focus on things that are doable and not on pipe dreams.

LuckyNumber7 · 10-21-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

I don’t think “do better” is going to make much of an impact given the rural bias of the Senate and the increasing polarization along educational lines.

I can’t tell if you’re still missing my point.

“Do better on places that are ripe” is not referring to West Virginia. It’s referring to places like Georgia and Texas and Arizona. If you call them red states, well, they’ll be red states. If you think you can just launch national elections in Texas with dating politicians, you’ll never get anywhere. They’ll remain grassroots red. But they’re close to being perfectly competitive states.

The grassroots West Virginia blue is built upon conservative unioners. It’s a dying thing of the past. Joe Manchin is welcome to be who he is and that’s fine for the people of his state! But he’s not the missing link of progress in this country for the left. There’s tons of untapped political growth in suburbia across many states that succumb easily to red roots.

LuckyNumber7 · 10-21-2021, 05:41 PM

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Bluer White · 10-21-2021, 08:14 PM

Anyone been watching the president's town hall on CNN tonight?

Bluer White · 10-21-2021, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BEAL

Abolish the Senate

I don't see how our government in it's current form is sustainable. Too many bad faith actors within, too much $$$ and special interests, and of course the institutions themselves are outdated.

Ehhh, the House and Senate were meant for different roles. The dual system was a big innovation at the time it was agreed on.
Still works just fine, even though (or maybe because?) we all get a little heartburn along the way.

LuckyNumber7 · 10-21-2021, 10:42 PM

Don’t need to abolish the senate. Just calibrate it.

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-22-2021, 08:55 AM

https://twitter.com/mbforgey/status/1451293966188486656

BEAL · 10-22-2021, 09:05 AM

Has there been any actual crimes committed by Democrats over the last four-five years? I'm sure there has to be something, but shit the amount of projection that turns into reality from the GQP....

Over 200 GQP House Reps voted against the rule of law yesterday. Thankfully Dems have the majority and NINE from the other isle voted Yes.

Now we see if Garland actually prosecutes or what's the point of a subpoena ?

Headache in a Suitcase · 10-22-2021, 09:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnpKUOAgWAU

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10-21-2021, 12:35 AM	#44
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,309 Local Time: 10:16 PM	That’s an after-the-fact appreciation. Republicans shouldn’t trust rinos and Democrats shouldn’t trust Joe Manchin. Plan to win the senate through actual means. Though I’d argue he’s less frustrating than Sinema. The people of Arizona aren’t the same as the people of West Virginia.

10-21-2021, 08:33 AM	#45
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,114 Local Time: 11:16 PM	How do we plan to win the Senate without D’s from red states, like Mr Manchin?

10-21-2021, 10:10 AM	#46
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,086 Local Time: 03:16 AM	We don’t. https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...369848834?s=21 https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...831913477?s=21 https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...958507520?s=21 https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...388769283?s=21 https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/sta...716501509?s=21 And the GQP tactics of stalling seems to always work. If they win back the house it’s going to be impeachment’s and dismantling of the 1/6 commission. Telling people to outvote the suppression when the boot is already squeezing your neck is not feasible. We need this legislation passed now, and even with it we still need massive turnout.

10-21-2021, 03:36 PM	#51
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,086 Local Time: 03:16 AM	Abolish the Senate I don't see how our government in it's current form is sustainable. Too many bad faith actors within, too much $$$ and special interests, and of course the institutions themselves are outdated. We're seeing it with this pandemic response that there's two Americas. The Red States continue to defy Federal laws / mandates, all while killing their own for political points for a small racist ignorant base. Blue states continue to enact laws to try and help (and there'll be miscues too, governing is hard), but you see where the gains are made in the economy, where the virus is contained and you see the divide. It's a shame because so much suffering is being done by just a handful of governors, with backing by lunatics in Congress.

10-21-2021, 05:41 PM	#54
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,309 Local Time: 10:16 PM	Time to play “guess which outlet posted this farcical article title”

10-21-2021, 08:14 PM	#55
Bluer White Refugee Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 2,474 Local Time: 11:16 PM	Anyone been watching the president's town hall on CNN tonight?

10-21-2021, 10:42 PM	#57
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,309 Local Time: 10:16 PM	Don’t need to abolish the senate. Just calibrate it.

10-22-2021, 08:55 AM	#58
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 72,043 Local Time: 11:16 PM	https://twitter.com/mbforgey/status/1451293966188486656

10-22-2021, 09:05 AM	#59
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,086 Local Time: 03:16 AM	Has there been any actual crimes committed by Democrats over the last four-five years? I'm sure there has to be something, but shit the amount of projection that turns into reality from the GQP.... Over 200 GQP House Reps voted against the rule of law yesterday. Thankfully Dems have the majority and NINE from the other isle voted Yes. Now we see if Garland actually prosecutes or what's the point of a subpoena ?