US Politics XXXIV: Biden Against the Manchine (Live at the Sinema)

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/djrothkopf/statu...640364035?s=21

This thread kinda sums it up.

How the hell did we get to this point ?

[BEAL]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

so, for example, Democrats better make hay out of this daintily lobbed shit softball of evil + stupid from medicare fraudster Rick Scott:




here's one amazing example of stupid:



and one of evil:



and, heck, one more:



and just for you non-Americans out there:



this is why smart Republicans want no Republican agenda. because what their base wants is not just evil and stupid, but also an electoral loser.

https://twitter.com/ronbrownstein/st...607310852?s=21

There’s no real support for a lot of this stuff, but GOP floor the air and it appears like this is some phenomena which ends up passing state legislation.

The Dems end up blaming the squad for everything, and yet they’ve correctly called out how Biden’s agenda was going to fall apart by not linking BBB and Infra together.

Now i don’t like the defund bullshit they spout, and i do hope we can pass parts of BBB which may have been the route all along.

But people like Manchin never operated in good faith, the progressives compromised over and over and yet it’s a “centrists” who spread the blame.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

It reads like a senator floating a presidential run.

it was a memo written up by the head of he National Republican Senatorial Committee as a 2022 midterm election agenda, but i agree that Mr. Scott would like to be president.

if he wants to run on raising taxes on 100m Americans, ending social security, ending all non-disaster related federal aid to states, a 12-year limit on all federal employment, and the sunsetting of laws after 5 years, he's free to do so.

this is quite a tell on where they believe the Trump base -- and, therefore, the GOP base -- lie on the issues.

this is the agenda of a party that is certifiably nuts and deserves to go down in flames.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by BEAL

But people like Manchin never operated in good faith, the progressives compromised over and over and yet it’s a “centrists” who spread the blame.

the truth is that the D's don't have a majority in the Senate. they need 51-53 seats to function as if they are a majority. you can't do that with The Squad.

the way to do that is to run more Jon Testers in more states. there's really no other way around the rural overrepresentation.

[BEAL]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1...821005827?s=21

Teflon

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Just that everything is bad news at the moment.

Yeah

41 million folks living in a free European country, not knowing what the next day might bring. Hard to believe here in 2022.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Just a perfect phone call, amirite?

[Irvine511]

Well. Here we are.

[mikal]

Imagine if a percentage of Americans sided with Saddam in 1990.

[phanan]

It’s just unfathomable to me how an American can support Putin. Which means supporting Trump. But seeing as how Trump wants to take over the U.S. in the same vein, I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise at this point.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by mikal

Imagine if a percentage of Americans sided with Saddam in 1990.

As Tucker noted, Putin never called him a racist.

[BEAL]

Imagine if Trump or another Trumpist wins in 2024, and they fulfill the threat of pulling out of NATO??

I don’t see how this conflict doesn’t scale to full out war.

Sanctions won’t bother Putin. He appears to be completely insane and even his rich friends wouldn’t cross him or talk him down.

We either see a European army fight back, or we allow this mess to slowly stew over the next few years while Russia slowly overtakes Ukraine and progresses to other countries.

I still hold out some hope that Europe and the US can isolate and pummel him financially to break him, but there’s enough sympathy and support to keep the lights on

Keep an eye on China too. They are seeing the response to this conflict and would love to crush Taiwan

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by mikal

Imagine if a percentage of Americans sided with Saddam in 1990.

Check President Biden's 1991 Gulf War vote. Does that mean he was rooting for Saddam Hussein?

I think not.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Check President Biden's 1991 Gulf War vote. Does that mean he was rooting for Saddam Hussein?



I think not.

Great point!

I do remember when Biden called Saddam a “genius” and openly admired the strategy behind the invasion and occupation of Kuwait. As well as Biden’s long history of statements of admiration for Saddam’s toughness and shrewdness.

[mikal]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Check President Biden's 1991 Gulf War vote. Does that mean he was rooting for Saddam Hussein?

I think not.

When you line up an apple next to an onion, do you say "apples to apples"?

[BEAL]

Seem to recall Biden's vote being played on Saddam TV, like Russia state television is playing the Orange man's comments

[mikal]

Man, in retrospect, that may have been one of the least intelligent comments ever made in this forum, and there have been a lot of those over the years.

[mikal]

Remember all of those memes of shirtless Saddam and Biden riding a horse?

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Check President Biden's 1991 Gulf War vote. Does that mean he was rooting for Saddam Hussein?



I think not.

Universal condemnation of this point of view. President Trump actively used his platform to admire our enemy in the face of arguably the most destabilizing moment in the past 80 years for western society.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by mikal

Man, in retrospect, that may have been one of the least intelligent comments ever made in this forum, and there have been a lot of those over the years.

You're right, that was a bad analogy on my part. And I apologize.