DaveC
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i like this idea. at the very least it shouldn't always be the same four states setting the early trends every cycle.
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i like this idea. at the very least it shouldn't always be the same four states setting the early trends every cycle.
womanfish
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LOL. That is very true.
It's definitely going to be an interesting result. And it could mean even a more mixed result than Iowa.
I think people are forgetting what lies ahead. Vote for pete, vote for Amy. But then what? They both have limited ground games not just in the next two states, but they have very little in super tuesday states. The shitty part is that both those candidates suck votes away from Biden, who has (or at least did have) a broad base of support in all the remaining states, before these 2 first states kick him in the ass.
The thing that bothers me even more about this, is that we have these two "camps" that people talk about - progressive vs. moderate. The truth I think is that a lot of people fall in the middle of those two camps, but that aside.
If you add up the support of the "progressive" candidates vs. the moderate ones, you see that support for moderate candidates is higher by quite a large margin. I'm giving Yang to the progressive side and not including Gabbard for either side, cause well.... fuck her.
Nationally 53 - 40
New Hampshire 55 - 42
NV 41 - 33
SC 58 - 30
Moderate support ranges from 8 - 28 points higher.
I think that was also made clear in the 2018 midterms.
But because the primaries are set up this way, we could be putting up a candidate that has weaker support in the party at large.
LuckyNumber7
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Do you mean untrustworthy? They’ve seemed incredibly stable in terms of their near election predictions of 1-2-3-4-5 Sanders-Buttigieg-Warren-Biden/Klobuchar.
I’m not even a Republican, I’m an independent, but I am conservative, but this lengthy diatribe does nothing but show how narrow minded and uninformed you are about not only history, but also the Republican and Democratic Party.
The Democratic Party is the party of slavery, the party of Jim Crow, the party of segregation, the party of the KKK, and the party of perpetuating the victim mentality. To the Democratic Party, women are victims, minorities are victims, every intersectional group you can think of are victims, or so the Democrats say.
Conservatives value everyone being viewed based on their ideas, not their gender , skin color, nationality, etc.
You, like most Democrats, are obsessed with identity politics, twisting yourself into a pretzel to mention race, nationality, gender, etc as every reason for someone u like not getting their way.
Yes, the party of racism (Democratic) STILL demonstrate this view by constantly lumping “the black community “ , or “brown people” as victims who need the heroic government to help with every aspect of their lives because “they can’t do it on their own”. That’s a soft bigotry that many people of color are noticing and getting tired of.
I apologize for the length of this, and most of the ignorant nonsense that this thread is, I usually just read for laughs, but this post was so completely ignorant I just had to jump in.
Irvine511
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womanfish
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
I'm not sure what you mean...
NH - now - Sanders, Pete, Warren, Amy, Biden (Bloomberg)
Nationally - Biden, Sanders, Warren, (Bloomberg) Pete, Amy
In a way it's almost backwards
And NH's history is not great.
2000 Mccain won, 2008 Clinton won, 2016 Sanders won. None were the Nominee.
The one nominee they got right was Kerry and he didn't win the general.
A latest poll I just saw put Amy in third! Which would put Biden, the national front runner in last place in NH
LuckyNumber7
Blue Crack Addict
He literally said New Hampshire polls. National polls have nothing to do with this. National polls are entirely irrelevant. Statistical forecasts have Sanders as the clear front runner now at a near 50% likelihood to be the nominee, with the second most likely outcome to be a brokered convention at 25%. All despite Biden with a clear national favorite.
womanfish
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
The Democratic Party is the party of slavery, the party of Jim Crow, the party of segregation, the party of the KKK, and the party of perpetuating the victim mentality. To the Democratic Party, women are victims, minorities are victims, every intersectional group you can think of are victims, or so the Democrats say.
Wow, you live in an alternate reality. Are you talking about the late 1800's? You don't know your history friend, You live in history I guess. Just highlighting more victim mentallity Those Democrats 90 years ago were the problem! NOT the Repub party of this century , especially this last decade which have solidly gotten in the corner of white Supremacists and neo-nazi's, gaining valuable endorsements from the KKK.
Then you completely ignore history and say that Dems treat women and people of color as victims. Guess what. They HAVE been victims of centuries of disenfranchisement and policies made by white men, that have left them without the same opportunities as their white male counterparts. Some of these things still exist and effect the every day lives of women and people of color. Obviously starting in the 50's and 60's these groups rose up and stood up to this bullshit and have been making progress every year.
Democrats celebrate and encourage strong women, and empowered people of color, while Repubs wish to "go back to the good ol' days"
Conservatives value everyone being viewed based on their ideas, not their gender , skin color, nationality, etc.
Probably the most insane statement ever uttered.
You, like most Democrats, are obsessed with identity politics, twisting yourself into a pretzel to mention race, nationality, gender, etc as every reason for someone u like not getting their way.
Please tell me how pointing out that republicans are whiny, racist victims is me being obsessed with identity politics?
Trump is the king of identity politics.
Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists. Black people are so bad off they have nothing to lose. Immigrants are animals invading our country, gay people are, well, ignored. (maybe prayed for) Women are there to support their husbands and be quiet in the boardroom.
Democrats focus on groups of people to actually focus on their individual experiences and needs. Shocker, gay people actually do have different and unique issues that are important to them then straight people, older than younger, black than Latino, male, female or transgender. This isn't "identity politics" It's having a party actually recognize that these are humans. That they matter and their issues and concerns matter.
Repubs work for white men. That's it. And every other group needs to be like them, think like them, worship like them, love like them, talk like them or they are shit of luck.
Yes, the party of racism (Democratic) STILL demonstrate this view by constantly lumping “the black community “ , or “brown people” as victims who need the heroic government to help with every aspect of their lives because “they can’t do it on their own”. That’s a soft bigotry that many people of color are noticing and getting tired of.
Oh yeah, Democrats are the party of racism. Do you mean the Democratic party where 51 of out 52 of the African American House Members are Democrats?
One Republican who is on his way out the door.
Or the party that black voters cast their ballot for by 92%?
Is that the racist party you speak of?
Wait for it. You're going to say, well black people only vote Democratic because they want things from them, because they've been trained to be victims.
You do realize that you are saying that a whole group of people are too stupid, and incapable of practical thought right? But please go on about identity and racism.
Can you actually give any real examples of how Democrats think that people of color are people that need to be saved? Or is this just some bullshit you are regurgitating from right wing talkers that try to stir up hate by lying to you? "and they're getting tired of it" Oh man. Did your black friend tell you that? Just incredible loads of bullshit that must rattle around in your rotten skull.
I apologize for the length of this, and most of the ignorant nonsense that this thread is, I usually just read for laughs, but this post was so completely ignorant I just had to jump in.
No, No, thank you for the length of your post. Every word you write just shows your absolute perverse and uninformed life view.
Have a happy and a healthy
Wow, you live in an alternate reality. Are you talking about the late 1800's? You don't know your history friend, You live in history I guess. Just highlighting more victim mentallity Those Democrats 90 years ago were the problem! NOT the Repub party of this century , especially this last decade which have solidly gotten in the corner of white Supremacists and neo-nazi's, gaining valuable endorsements from the KKK. Then you completely ignore history and say that Dems treat women and people of color as victims. Guess what. They HAVE been victims of centuries of disenfranchisement and policies made by white men, that have left them without the same opportunities as their white male counterparts. Some of these things still exist and effect the every day lives of women and people of color. Obviously starting in the 50's and 60's these groups rose up and stood up to this bullshit and have been making progress every year.
Democrats celebrate and encourage strong women, and empowered people of color, while Repubs wish to "go back to the good ol' days"
Conservatives value everyone being viewed based on their ideas, not their gender , skin color, nationality, etc.
Probably the most insane statement ever uttered.
You, like most Democrats, are obsessed with identity politics, twisting yourself into a pretzel to mention race, nationality, gender, etc as every reason for someone u like not getting their way.
Please tell me how pointing out that republicans are whiny, racist victims is me being obsessed with identity politics?
Trump is the king of identity politics.
Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists. Black people are so bad off they have nothing to lose. Immigrants are animals invading our country, gay people are, well, ignored. (maybe prayed for) Women are there to support their husbands and be quiet in the boardroom.
Democrats focus on groups of people to actually focus on their individual experiences and needs. Shocker, gay people actually do have different and unique issues that are important to them then straight people, older than younger, black than Latino, male, female or transgender. This isn't "identity politics" It's having a party actually recognize that these are humans. That they matter and their issues and concerns matter.
Repubs work for white men. That's it. And every other group needs to be like them, think like them, worship like them, love like them, talk like them or they are shit of luck.
Yes, the party of racism (Democratic) STILL demonstrate this view by constantly lumping “the black community “ , or “brown people” as victims who need the heroic government to help with every aspect of their lives because “they can’t do it on their own”. That’s a soft bigotry that many people of color are noticing and getting tired of.
Oh yeah, Democrats are the party of racism. Do you mean the Democratic party where 51 of out 52 of the African American House Members are Democrats?
One Republican who is on his way out the door.
Or the party that black voters cast their ballot for by 92%?
Is that the racist party you speak of?
Wait for it. You're going to say, well black people only vote Democratic because they want things from them, because they've been trained to be victims.
You do realize that you are saying that a whole group of people are too stupid, and incapable of practical thought right? But please go on about identity and racism.
Can you actually give any real examples of how Democrats think that people of color are people that need to be saved? Or is this just some bullshit you are regurgitating from right wing talkers that try to stir up hate by lying to you? "and they're getting tired of it"
Oh man. Did your black friend tell you that? Just incredible loads of bullshit that must rattle around in your rotten skull. I apologize for the length of this, and most of the ignorant nonsense that this thread is, I usually just read for laughs, but this post was so completely ignorant I just had to jump in.
No, No, thank you for the length of your post. Every word you write just shows your absolute perverse and uninformed life view.
Have a happy and a healthy
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Still need the 2020 version of Jill Stein....
Still need the 2020 version of Jill Stein....
DaveC
Blue Crack Addict
"i'm not even a republican (i just think their opponents are pure-evil racist socialist-facist-communazi slavers and i vote GOP in every single race in every single election), i'm an independent"
womanfish
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
I think i misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying NH was lining up with national polling meaning they weren't all that unpredictable.
That said. The reason that forecasts are saying what they are saying only highlights this absolutely bullshit primary process.
Imagine if things started off with super tuesday, Of even if the first 4 states went, SC, NV, Iowa , NH? The standings right now would be drastically different. And I would wager that they would almost mirror the national polls.
And I contend that National Polls are actually the most relevant because they are getting a full snapshot of the electorate.
That would be 72% white, not 94%.
holding iowa and NH first only serves to give advantages to candidates that don't represent the country as a whole or won't do as well in the general . I can't see how the DNC doesn't realize that this is hurting their chances.
And to get back to NH, I think they are unpredictable because they have so many Independents there, and 40% are still undecided 2 days away. It's kinda crazy.
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womanfish
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womanfish
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
This about sums it up. Democrats and the media (even left leaning) are their own worst enemies.
https://twitter.com/ManlnTheHoody/status/1225791735982198784
https://twitter.com/ManlnTheHoody/status/1225791735982198784
LuckyNumber7
Blue Crack Addict
I think they should have regional rolling elections over the course of a month. Four super Tuesdays, and each region gets to rotate over who goes first each election.
Moonlit_Angel
Blue Crack Addict
Yes, at one time they were that party. Now they're currently the party who gave us our first black president, and who currently has a significantly more diverse group of supporters from all backgrounds, and whose platform continues to be more and more inclusive to people of all stripes.
You know, just like how the GOP was the party of Lincoln, who freed the slaves, but is now currently the party that neo-Nazis and white supremacists are flocking to, whose leader was endorsed by a member of the KKK, and whose supporters go around talking about how oh-so-patriotic they are while simultaneously waving the flags of the Confederacy (you know, that very thing that Lincoln was fighting against during his time as president?).
It's almost like parties change as the centuries go on! One's moving forward (not without its issues along the way, mind, but still, it is significantly more progressive a party than it used to be) and one is moving us all back to the Dark Ages.
Oh, wow. That's a good one right there, that is.As for your claims that the Democrats love to play the victim, do me a favor: go watch a few of Trump's speeches and then get back to me about people playing victim.
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The Iowa Democratic Party late Sunday released a statement projecting that Pete Buttigieg would win 14 delegates to the national nominating convention and that Bernie Sanders would win 12. The announcement comes after a week of counting by state party officials, who have come under fire for their handling of the caucuses.
mikal
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womanfish
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cue Bernieland meltdown...
LuckyNumber7
Blue Crack Addict
Yeah haha libtards
womanfish
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mikal
Blue Crack Addict
Like I said 24/7.
On shows in the suburbs that women watch.
They can't stand him and need to be reminded every minute what a disgusting waste of space he is.
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
Can we impose a rule where no one compares pre-1964 Dixiecrats to modern day Democrats? The parties have switched, ie, Strom Thurmond.
It’s literally the laziest, stupidest thing you can say about American politics.
The old southern racists had left the Democrats by the 1980s and all become Republicans because the Republicans became more racist because they became the party of the wealthy and used racism to get poor people to vote for lower taxes because it would mean fewer social benefits for non-white people.
It’s literally the laziest, stupidest thing you can say about American politics.
The old southern racists had left the Democrats by the 1980s and all become Republicans because the Republicans became more racist because they became the party of the wealthy and used racism to get poor people to vote for lower taxes because it would mean fewer social benefits for non-white people.
DaveC
Blue Crack Addict
Read your history from actual sources, the parties never "switched platforms". Look up the "Southern Strategy" from somewhere other than Snopes. It's the SAME party, the SAME people.
That's why it's Hillary saying "they look alike", Biden saying "poor kids and white kids", Warren admitting that Democrats "only care about the black community at election time", not to mention all the blackface on Dems, THE PARTIES NEVER SWITCHED PLATFORMS. That's your liberal indoctrination speaking.
Scary....
LuckyNumber7
Blue Crack Addict
WE R indoctrinated!!!! Rararararararawwwwww gzus is speaking but ur not listening rawwwwr
mikal
Blue Crack Addict
Guys. Lincoln was a Republican so you’re all wrong!!!111
womanfish
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure they are accepting the results, wishing Pete well and looking forward to the next primary!
Tania Singh
@TwinklingTania
This is so insanely egregious! Tell me how Pete isn’t running the most corrupt & insidious CIA ass campaign.
liberal boxer
@liberalboxer
He can’t win by winning voters thru the front door, so he’s buying and placing operatives to try to go through the back door.
AM
@WhoKnewAndrea
@PeteButtigieg
@TomPerez
why don’t you step down from your high horse? You corrupt fucks! #WhitePrivilege #PeteTheCheat #peteprivilege #TomPerezMustResign #ClintonBodyCount
@HillaryClinton
Bethany James Winn ? ????
@bethanyjameswin
They've been crafting their little neoliberal Manchurian for a while. #PeteTheCheat
Berniegirl
@mackyson
He used his 6 month stint in the military to make his resume look better. Pete is a fraud!!! #MayorCheat
Secular Talk
@KyleKulinski
I think the Bernie campaign should sue the Iowa dem party and the DNC. I trust the court system more than I trust them. They seriously argued we have to keep these incorrect numbers to preserve the process. That's insane. This is rigging in real time.
Greggtheold
@MichaelOldGregg
@iowademocrats
and
@DNC
This is an outrageous and corrupt outcome. We will be victorious and remember this when the tables have turned.
Robbie_Robs
@RobbieRobs1
@politico
RIGGED !
Guy Hill
@GeeSungee
They did that with #BernieSanders having 6,000 more votes, and knowing their
@DNC
'Shadow' app was a #Clinton/
@PeteButtigieg
partnership?! I call BS!
@LovesTheBern
Southpark Cynic
@SouthparkCynic
Amazing. One election in and the neoliberals not only rigged it, but only got 1 delegate out of it. They just guaranteed Trump will win if Sanders isn't nominated.
ConnectALLtheDots
@solveallthepro
The DNC has NOT corrected the errors, so giving #WallStreetPete the edge is totally inappropriate. The
@DNC
's billionaire donors would clearly prefer 4 more years of Trump to the Sanders administration. #OurRevolution is in the primary, not the general.
Brent Welder
@BrentWelder
A very credible source tells me that if the IDP makes these corrections accurately, that @BernieSanders will be declared the winner of the SDE’s (in addition to the vote total, which he has already won by thousands of votes.)
Terry, LEO (Ret.) ??
@editor_wp
The Obama wannabe is a stone cold lying weasel.
EndtheFed
@FedEndthe
So that $42k
@PeteButtigieg
paid Shaddow, Inc. only netted him 2 more delegates?!?!?! WTF
Jonathan Webster ???Ⓥ
@JonathWebst
CNN still loving these corrupt results despite "discrepancies" (most of us call that cheating). Sanders is ahead by thousands of votes in the popular vote, and, somehow, allegedly, Pete gets 17% more national delegates.
Sanders campaign has confirmed it is challenging results.
Mykell Pledger ?
@mykedsgn
@CNN
This is corruption.... Please report on how a Pete staffer has been appointed as a Voter Protection role in the Nevada DNC. This along with the app they revealed could be an Iowa repeat. Thanks for your coverage
Carolyn ?Never, Ever Lose Your Sense of Outrage?
@carolyndodd1
@CNN
I’m tired of yall’s shit.
@CNN
is just as complicit in this as the IDP, the DNC, MSNBC and every damn bought and paid for politician.
??Deme is Voting for Bernie Sanders! ?
@DemosDeme
·
1h
Replying to
@ryanobles
and
@CNN
Bernie is not gonna take it like he did in 2016. We like Bionic Bernie 2.0. He is not in it to bring the corrupt Democratic Party tp the left. He is in it to purge it and return it to its FDR roots.
I fucking love this. I will keep donating if he fights like this.
yesimdrunkrightnow
@yesimdrunkrigh1
@CNN
After Iowa I’m not voting for any Dem nominee except Bernie, hope it was worth it DNC
DeepFake Dissident ?
??@inovajon
Other than watching #Bernie sworn in as #Potus I can’t think of anything more thrilling than to find out the #IDP was bankrupted paying out damages to the #BernieCampaign.
I guess watching @troymprice perp walked for election fraud would top it.
#IowansShouldFireTroyPrice
@antisocialwkr
When you can’t question #MayoPete w/o being “homophobic
(side note, this next one is regarding a woman that had to lock her twitter account because of Berniebots)
@antisocialwkr
Nothing says “nothing to hide” quite like scrubbing LinkedIn & locking twitter upon accepting a new job and having your conflicts exposed within minutes. Resign,
@egoldman1
, you’ve just become the
@nvdems
story, and that’s not changing. #MayorCheat
#PetesBillionaires ?
BurningMike
@mike_burning
Did you think it was appropriate for mayo Pete to declare victory in Iowa before the results were in and now we know Bernie got way more votes then him? The gloves need to be off this is a damn fight and we must win!
skyblue
@skyblue16365044
Replying to
@ninaturner
Hello Nina— what can we
@BernieSanders
supporters do about the DNC cheating again? Pete did not win Iowa and they are at it again in Nevada. It makes me think the DNC wants 4 more years of Trump.
??Mother of Cats??
@homesickalien80
Okay, so it was 100% rigged for Pete in Iowa, & it’s looking like it’s rigged for Pete again in Nev. The corporate dems aren’t going to allow Bernie to win. They are making the rules up as they go!
Guys, Trump is gonna be re-elected. If the DNC makes Pete the nom, Trump will win
Emison Forever Lover
@Robbins17Chris
@MARCANDERSONNWO
it's pretty much over now.they stole iowa.they are going to steal nevada with all the those connected to pete's cmapagin in charge of the votes.even if bernie wins nh.well i hope dems enjoy trump's second term.i know i won't vote after i vote for bernie in primary
dkmich
@dkmich
@CNN
@DNC
Everytime you screw over Bernie, you screw over us. If you want people to take you down, keep it up.
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