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Old 09-17-2012, 09:02 AM   #141
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I think John McCain is still a good man in his core, he's merely been overtaken by certain elements of the GOP and he's been in Washington for so long. But he remains one of the few with the integrity to speak the truth as he sees it instead of the party line.

The telling thing there is that Hannity was surprised that John McCain wasn't siding with him. OMG, how DARE he not? If someone on CNN acted like that Hannity would probably say that CNN was disrespecting a POW.
My sentiments exactly. I think there was little McCain could have done back in 2008 to win, but I think his appealing to the far right ultimately was one of the biggest contributors to his lost. He seemed to have lost the plot, I think the GOP could have one this election(I know too early to call, but it doesn't look good for them) if they had put someone more like McCain(used to be) in the seat. They really need someone who won't tow the line 24/7 because their line scares free thinkers, their line scares a lot of independents who really just find their economics appealing.
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The sad thing is I doubt we'll see any other prominent Republican back McCain up on this one.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:39 PM   #143
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Even though McCain bowed to the more radical Right in his party during his campaign he still had moments of courage that I have yet to see in Romney. Remember when some people starting saying ugly things about Obama at one of his rallies and he reprimanded them?
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:39 PM   #144
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Remember when some people starting saying ugly things about Obama at one of his rallies and he reprimanded them?
Yes, I still remember that. Romney and courage don't go together in my mind.
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I wouldn't give him too much credit for trying to distance himself from the ramblings of a crazy lady
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:50 PM   #146
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the President continues to act with tact, nuance, and maximum efficacy.
Right, because nothing says "tact" like flying to Las Vegas for a campaign speech on the same day news breaks that an American ambassador has been dragged through the streets and killed along with several other Americans.

And what is the desired effect of telling the American people these attacks were spontaneous when the Libyan president, the circumstances and the facts all say something different, confussion?
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I wouldn't give him too much credit for trying to distance himself from the ramblings of a crazy lady

Yes, well, Romney can't even be troubled to do that so. . .
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:06 PM   #148
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Right, because nothing says "tact" like flying to Las Vegas for a campaign speech on the same day news breaks that an American ambassador has been dragged through the streets and killed along with several other Americans.

And what is the desired effect of telling the American people these attacks were spontaneous when the Libyan president, the circumstances and the facts all say something different, confussion?

Hang on a second. . .several friends of mine on Facebook that are pretty right-wing are reporting versions of the ambassador's death similar to what you are describing. I've variously heard that he was dragged through the streets by a mob and even one person saying he was sodomized, and yet I don't seem to hear that on any of the regular news reports. I admit I don't watch much TV news, but I do listen to NPR every day and not once did I hear his death described in this manner. My understanding was that he died of smoke inhalation and was taken to a hospital by Libyans. Did I miss something is or are right-wing media sources just making up stuff about what happened?

Also, I've heard from a wide variety of sources that the attacks in Libya were likely NOT spontaneous. Are you suggesting that the White House is maintaining that they were spontaneous even in the face of all this reporting to the opposite. Again, I've not heard anything to that effect.
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Yes, well, Romney can't even be troubled to do that so. . .
hahaha, touche
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Hang on a second. . .several friends of mine on Facebook that are pretty right-wing are reporting versions of the ambassador's death similar to what you are describing. I've variously heard that he was dragged through the streets by a mob and even one person saying he was sodomized, and yet I don't seem to hear that on any of the regular news reports. I admit I don't watch much TV news, but I do listen to NPR every day and not once did I hear his death described in this manner. My understanding was that he died of smoke inhalation and was taken to a hospital by Libyans. Did I miss something is or are right-wing media sources just making up stuff about what happened?

Also, I've heard from a wide variety of sources that the attacks in Libya were likely NOT spontaneous. Are you suggesting that the White House is maintaining that they were spontaneous even in the face of all this reporting to the opposite. Again, I've not heard anything to that effect.
From the accounts I've read, you've got it right. The 'mob', from what I understand, were there to help and not a mob at all
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KABUL, Afghanistan — A suicide bomber rammed a car packed with explosives into a mini-bus carrying foreign aviation workers to the airport in the Afghan capital early Tuesday, killing 12 people in an attack a militant group said was revenge for an anti-Islam film that ridicules the Prophet Muhammad.

Nine foreigners and three Afghans lost their lives, the Interior Ministry told CBS News without disclosing the nationalities of the foreign victims.

The criminal director for the Kabul police department, Mohammad Zahir, said 10 Afghan bystanders were wounded.

Haroon Zarghoon, a spokesman for the Islamist militant group Hizb-i-Islami, claimed responsibility for the dawn attack in an email to The Associated Press. He said it was carried out by a 22-year-old woman named Fatima. It was the first reported suicide car bombing ever to be carried out by a woman in Afghanistan.
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Just so heartening to see the reaction in Australia. A tiny minority of Muslims staged a protest in Sydney over the weekend, and most of the reaction I've seen has been along the lines of

FUCK THESE DOGS FUCKIN COME ERE THINK THEY CAN FUCK UP OUR COUNTRY IF YOU DONT LIKE IT FUCK OFF

yeah fkn tru that bro, fkn scumbags tha lotta em

Im just sick of it , i mean im not racist but muslims are just hateful and ungrateful time we got rid of em .

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Those people clearly have not met any Muslims.
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Hang on a second. . .several friends of mine on Facebook that are pretty right-wing are reporting versions of the ambassador's death similar to what you are describing. I've variously heard that he was dragged through the streets by a mob and even one person saying he was sodomized, and yet I don't seem to hear that on any of the regular news reports. I admit I don't watch much TV news, but I do listen to NPR every day and not once did I hear his death described in this manner. My understanding was that he died of smoke inhalation and was taken to a hospital by Libyans. Did I miss something is or are right-wing media sources just making up stuff about what happened?
I have no desire to look at the pictures so I'll admit dragging through the street is 2nd hand knowledge to me. So I'll retract that bit but imagine if GWB had flown to Vegas under the same circumstances. So when does the president take questions from the press as Romney has about all this?
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Also, I've heard from a wide variety of sources that the attacks in Libya were likely NOT spontaneous. Are you suggesting that the White House is maintaining that they were spontaneous even in the face of all this reporting to the opposite. Again, I've not heard anything to that effect.
This I can say is firsthand knowledge because I watched Ambassador Rice on the Sunday morning shows and I've heard W.H. Secretary Carney's answers when asked this question.
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but imagine if GWB had flown to Vegas under the same circumstances.
People would've shit all over him
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I have no desire to look at the pictures so I'll admit dragging through the street is 2nd hand knowledge to me. So I'll retract that bit but imagine if GWB had flown to Vegas under the same circumstances. So when does the president take questions from the press as Romney has about all this?
and GWB partying whereever it was (some guitarist entertaining him, as well) while people were trapped on roofs/or drowned in 'Nawlings during/after Hurricane Katrina...... doesn't count, INDY?
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I think that's exactly his point. GWB was dragged through the coals for that, thus Obama should be treated no differently
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[QUOTE=Jive Turkey;7570503]I think that's

oh... ok, yeah....
@self.... not totally awake..

i'd probably have to see the whole timeline...
was not feelng well over this weekend. Netter now. Haven't hadtime to do that. Am spending time on stuff ii didn't get to do over the weekend not caught up totally

only thing i can add at this point is that i'd trust that Obama would quickly be in contact withh advisors, his cabinate and others where ever he was when a horrible situation came

unlike GWB who looked like a deer in the headlight for how long after one of his people whispered to him that a 2nd planee had hit The Towers.....
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I think that's exactly his point. GWB was dragged through the coals for that, thus Obama should be treated no differently
But I disagree with him. I think such judgments about either president are trivial and cheap. I feel the same about that people that like to make much of Bush at the elementary school on 9/11. I've always thought criticizing Bush for not leaping out of his seat and DOING something was shallow with(apologies to present company; I recall one of us recently made that very criticism just a few days ago--can't remember who or what thread. I do disagree with it).
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