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Old 09-13-2012, 04:53 PM   #81
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Here's a link that talks about all those involved in this video:

Friends of ‘Sam Bacile’: A Who’s Who of the ‘Innocence of Muslims’ Film Project | NewsFeed | TIME.com

There are too many gaping holes in this whole story. I still find it hard to believe the video and the Libyan attacks are a coincidence. If they are, whoa boy...
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Story today is that this whole "movie" is a scam. The director is actually a Coptic Christian, developed the Jewish for the purpose to raise money and then blame Jews. Some of the actors are coming out saying that was not the script and their lines were edited and overdubbed. Plus he was charged with financial fraud back in 2010.

This whole thing is very odd.
It strikes me particularly funny that the guy who came up with this film actually has the last name Christian.

Good god. That's...bizarre. I'm with others here, this whole situation is striking me very strange as well.

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Here is a timeline on what happened on Tuesday in Cairo and Benghazi, as well as the statements from Romney, Clinton, Obama, etc.
The Sequence Of Events Leading To A U.S. Ambassador’s Assassination — And Its Aftermath | TPMDC
Thank you (and thanks to cobl as well for his response to my question).

Yeah, look at Obama's statement in that timeline, and then look at all the stuff Romney says. Not hard to figure out who the more professional person in that situation is.

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He then went on to criticize Obama for what he believes is an unfriendly tone with the American allies in Israel: “For the first time since the [Israeli] independence back in the ’40s, [we] have a president who is trashing Israel, our only friend there.”
We do? When did that happen, I must have missed that.

Inhofe, Romney, Trump (ugh, Trump, go the fuck away already, will you?)? You're all idiots. And you're wrong. Get a goddamned clue.

I liked this tweet from that timeline link:

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"Sorry, but neither breaches of our compound or angry messages will dissuade us from defending freedom of speech AND criticizing bigotry.”
Sounds reasonable to me.
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yeah, that seems mostly probable

I;d say Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is the main guy, and that Sam Imbecil does not exist.

at this point, I don't believe there is any connection with the group that attacked the Libyan embassy, that could have been just like any of the other protests over Islamic offenses
this group was armed and planning an attack and just took advantage of the protests.
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this group was armed and planning an attack and just took advantage of the protests.
That may be true.
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yeah, that seems mostly probable

I;d say Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is the main guy, and that Sam Imbecil does not exist.

at this point, I don't believe there is any connection with the group that attacked the Libyan embassy, that could have been just like any of the other protests over Islamic offenses
this group was armed and planning an attack and just took advantage of the protests.
I can agree with that possibility. People who are already pissed off about something will find ANY chance/excuse to make noise and get violent.
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the filmmaker is a very dishonest person

the actors were defrauded?

Why Are All the Religious References in "Innocence of Muslims" Dubbed? [UPDATED] - On The Media
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They say they were all deceived:

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The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred.
'It Makes Me Sick': Actress in Muhammed Movie Says She Was Deceived, Had No Idea It Was About Islam
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I think Romney is being told to criticize Obama in order to appeal to the anti-Obama crowd. That, or it was solely his idea in order to become President. I really think he just wants to win the election so he could sit in the Oval Office and not help America.

Oh, and Trump is a douche
I think Donald trump is a reality TV star that only gets attention on his political views because america is a nation of dopes who give attention to reality TV stars.

And Romney, douche that he may be, has every right to criticize Obama on his foreign policy.

If it turns out that we did, indeed, have 48 hours notice of potential attacks on our embassy, in a dangerous country, on a day when security should be heightened as it is regardless... and we allowed this to happen, and secure documents got out as well...

Yea, it should be discussed in the campaign, it will be discussed, and it could end up costing Obama the presidency.
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It strikes me particularly funny that the guy who came up with this film actually has the last name Christian.
"Coptic Christian" isn't his name, it's his religion...
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I;d say Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is the main guy, and that Sam Imbecil does not exist.
yep, it appears to be a pseudonym...

Film-maker behind anti-Islam trailer stays silent amid media siege | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Two of the characters in the film had the names Condalisa and Hillary. . .
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And Romney, douche that he may be, has every right to criticize Obama on his foreign policy.

If it turns out that we did, indeed, have 48 hours notice of potential attacks on our embassy, in a dangerous country, on a day when security should be heightened as it is regardless... and we allowed this to happen, and secure documents got out as well...

Yea, it should be discussed in the campaign, it will be discussed, and it could end up costing Obama the presidency.
Except, did Romney criticize Obama about this? ^

If the notice and documents are true then yes, it will be be a big part of the campaign and it would more than likely cost Obama. I haven't seen what the source is on this, just the talking heads spinning it, so I'm not sure how serious to take it.
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Two of the characters in the film had the names Condalisa and Hillary. . .
And another named George. Makes me wonder if these actors are telling the truth or were desperate for work or were horribly naive about this filming.
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Romney wasn't criticizing Obama about any documents or warnings, there wasn't even any knowledge of such things when he said what he said. I don't know about that either, haven't read anything about it.
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And another named George. Makes me wonder if these actors are telling the truth or were desperate for work or were horribly naive about this filming.
Yes but apparently 'George' was turned into Mohamed. And there are some very obvious overdubs that look like the actors are mouthing George but the audio says 'Mohamed'.

The worse part is that apparently these actors, at least some, did this for free.
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Regardless of the reason for the attack, its clear that the US Ambassador did NOT have the security he needed. This is the first US Ambassador to be killed since 1979. The Ambassador should of had security to defend against the 20 or so attackers. While its true that not every consulate or embassy through out the world can be armed to the teeth, this was a consulate in a country that had just experienced a war and major upheaval. There should have been heavier security and plans to move in more force quickly and or the ability to evacuate key personal on the ground if need be. But considering that the firefight that led to the Ambassador's death lasted 5 hours, this obviously was not the case.
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Yes but apparently 'George' was turned into Mohamed. And there are some very obvious overdubs that look like the actors are mouthing George but the audio says 'Mohamed'.

The worse part is that apparently these actors, at least some, did this for free.

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For example, at 9:03 in the trailer, Garcia berates her husband, who wants to send their daughter to Muhammed: "Is your Muhammed a child molester?" she says in the final product. But the words are dubbed over what she actually said. The line in the script—and the line Garcia gave during filming—was, "is your God a child molester," Garcia told us today.
the original version is just as bad as the dubbed version in that case! i mean fecksakes, the "film" was set in Egypt apparently, which "God" did she think she was talking about, Buddha? of course a line like that is going to be offensive!

either way the script and concept are shite - any actor worth his/her salt would have steered clear... the actors are just trying to do some serious damage limitation now they're in deep shit LOL
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any actor worth his/her salt would have steered clear...
Any actor worth their salt probably wouldn't have answered a post on Craigslist, seen the set and said this looks great, or worked for free either...
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Any actor worth their salt probably wouldn't have answered a post on Craigslist, seen the set and said this looks great, or worked for free either...


ps- i've worked for free in the past, and loads of actor friends have done too... but i guess it's helpful if you can choose your jobs wisely! lol
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Regardless of the reason for the attack, its clear that the US Ambassador did NOT have the security he needed. This is the first US Ambassador to be killed since 1979

Yes it is clear. I just don't understand that, in this post 9/11 world. I get that the embassy is supposed to be an accessible place, but obviously there has ot be a balance. I saw the photo of Amb Stevens being taken out while he was still alive-didn't want to see that but it came on tv last night without warning. He died later, of the smoke inhalation.

This is Glen Doherty, he was a former Navy Seal. From Winchester MA. 42 years old.



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For Slain Contractor, a Life of Risks Overseas
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BOSTON — For Glen A. Doherty, being assigned to a high-stakes security detail in Libya was just one of over a decade’s worth of adventurous overseas missions he had participated in as a security contractor and a member of the Navy SEALs.

“He’s been overseas many, many times, defending this country,” said Mr. Doherty’s younger sister, Kate Quigley. “He was highly trained and really good.”

Mr. Doherty, 42, was with the American ambassador, J. Christopher Stevens, in a diplomatic compound in Benghazi on Tuesday when militants stormed the gates. He was killed, Ms. Quigley said, along with Mr. Stevens, Sean Smith and Tyrone S. Woods.

A native of Winchester, Mass., Mr. Doherty worked as a ski instructor in Utah in his 20s, and remarked that if he did not settle on a career path by the age of 30, he would join the SEALs.

According to Ms. Quigley, Mr. Doherty was a sniper on the rescue mission for Pfc. Jessica D. Lynch when she was held as a prisoner of war in Iraq, and was among the troops who captured Saddam Hussein’s palaces during the invasion of the country.

But it was rare, she said, that he would talk about his experiences. “For him, that was his work,” Ms. Quigley said, explaining that her brother preferred to revel in the periods he could spend at home with his family and friends.

He was unmarried at the time of his death and had no children, but his sister said he cast a wide, warm social net.

“He has one brother, but if you asked, there’s probably 15 guys who would call him their brother,” Ms. Quigley said. “Glen’s family is his friends, and he’s got hundreds of them.”

One of them, Chad Haskell, who grew up next door to the Doherty family, remembered how friends from all walks of Mr. Doherty’s life gathered at his 40th birthday party two years ago.

To them, Mr. Haskell said, Mr. Doherty was a hero long before his death on Tuesday. “He was a hero when he was in the Navy, to his family, to his nephews, to his sister, and brother and parents.”

Mr. Doherty was an advisory board member for the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which seeks to prevent religious intolerance and proselytizing in the military. “He’s going to be irreplaceable,” said Mikey Weinstein, the organization’s president. “He saw that religious intolerance anywhere leads to violence and blood.”
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