U.S. Ambassador Killed Over Anti-Islam Movie

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by digitize

Part of me thinks... freedom of speech be damned, this guy should be picked up by the US government, dropped in the middle of Tripoli, and left to the vultures.

it's a hate film, no question about it.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by Pearl

I know its from the Daily Mail (yeah I know, not a good source) but its claiming to have interviewed one of those who funded the film, Steve Klein.

Behold:



Read more: Innocence of Muslims creator: Steve Klein said he felt no guilt over death of Chris Stevens | Mail Online


Oh jeez. What a way to add to the flames, you idiot.

Good Lord, the old "America is being taken over by Jihadist forces" paranoia? That's up there with Birtherism and Trutherism for me.

ETA: oh, questionable source? I hope it's lying.

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by digitize

ETA: oh, questionable source? I hope it's lying.

Me too. I'll keep searching for other sources.

[deep]

Originally Posted by Pearl

I watched about two minutes of the trailer before I stopped. Its so bad it is laughable.

some of you should try and watch this one, it is not as long as Ivines

the audio is low, you will have to turn it up. but it gets to some of the most offensive stuff about The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

Innocence of Muslims - Complete Movie - YouTube

filmmaker had a right to make it?

ok, I don't care if he gets killed,
he is a completely despicable person, we have a lot of them in America.
actions, behavior have consequences, let him reap what he sowed.

[deep]

the filmmaker or filmmakers whoever they are

I just read the article Pearl posted

I wonder if this Klein person even exist, for sure the filmmaker or makers exist, people will know who the actors are, they can be contacted and interviewed. The parties that made the film should not be allowed to hide.

[BEAL]

Hitchens - free speech - YouTube

I've always liked what Hitch had to say about speech, and regards to religion. Best part starts at the 12 min mark.

It is a fine line between freedom of speech and dealing with crazy people.

[MrsSpringsteen]

I read that the Obama administration believes this was planned. And it was on 9/11

Pro-al Qaeda group seen behind deadly Benghazi attack - CNN.com

[Pearl]

As the plot thickens...

But so far only scant details are known about the movie's shadowy writer/director who calls himself Sam Bacile. The only interviews with him have been done by phone, and what little information he has revealed raises more than a few red flags.
So is there a Sam Bacile, and does "Innocence of Muslims" even exist?

Meanwhile, efforts to uncover the film's anonymous funders have so far turned up nothing. Jeffrey Goldberg, national correspondent for the Atlantic, tweeted on Wednesday: "I would love to know more about Mr. Sam Bacile, whom no Jew I know has ever heard, and his 100 mysterious backers."
That's assuming there even is a film. In early July, two 13-minute clips were posted on a YouTube account by someone with the username Sam Bacile, but no one has come forward claiming to have seen the finished product. Moreover, IMDb lists nothing for the project or Bacile himself, to say nothing of the supposed 59 actors and 45 crew members who worked on it.
According to the AP, Bacile said he screened the movie to a "nearly empty" theater in Hollywood, but he did not name a specific venue. Google searches reveal no evidence of a screening ever being announced, and given the subject matter, it's unlikely that an established Hollywood screening room would have agreed to show it.

Sam Bacile And His Low-Budget Anti-Muslim Movie: Is It All A Hoax? - International Business Times

Earlier I saw a Bangladeshi article that said Becile is actually a Christian who works with Terry Jones. I didn't link it because the article sounded more like a rant than a report. But I'll see if I can find it.

[trojanchick99]

Yeah, they are saying Becile is a pseudonym. And it's a film backed by Christians.

As part of my search for more information about Sam Bacile, the alleged producer of the now-infamous anti-Muhammad film trailer "The Innocence of Muslims," I just called a man named Steve Klein -- a self-described militant Christian activist in Riverside, California (whose actual business, he said, is in selling "hard-to-place home insurance"), who has been described in multiple media accounts as a consultant to the film.

He said the man who identified himself as Bacile asked him to help make the anti-Muhammad film. When I asked him to describe Bacile, he said: "I don't know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He's not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones (the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor) is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign."

Muhammad Film Consultant: 'Sam Bacile' is Not Israeli, and Not a Real Name - Jeffrey Goldberg - The Atlantic

[MrsSpringsteen]

Like ImBecile?

[deep]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

I read that the Obama administration believes this was planned. And it was on 9/11

Pro-al Qaeda group seen behind deadly Benghazi attack - CNN.com

this is one of those events that in two to three weeks we will have much better information

a film? of some sort exist, if only on YouTube, there are dozens of actors,


I also have heard reports that it was coordinated for 911, with an Al-Qaeda group behind it to avenge Bin Laden, that the protests were a cover for getting into the embassies.

If Dick Cheney were still VP, there would be irrefutable proof that Iran was behind it and congress would be approving an attack on Iran

who gains??? always the best question. One answer rises, Mossad did this.

[Pearl]

One commenter on IBT suggested that since Bacile said he was relatives in Egypt, he might be a disgruntled Egyptian.

That would mean if he's actually Muslim, he no longer supports the religion. But if he's Coptic Christian, he's going to put that group into a lot of turmoil.

ImBecile - I like that, MrsS.

ETA: Just read on the HuffPo that the movie was promoted by an anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian in the U.S. His name is Morris Sadek.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

so you can watch the "trailer" for the film here:

it is stupid, offensive, and nonsensical. it's not even bad enough to be good. it's very high school audio-visual club. it's like the KKK making a movie about reconstruction or something. and, no, i don't think the people behind this film are much different from the KKK.

if another group were depicted the way Muslims are depicted in this -- it's not much different than, say, white people in blackface eating watermelon and dancing -- there would most assuredly be protests of some sort, if the film became known. heck, Christians protested "Last Temptation of Christ." protesting is legitimate.

this "rage" and the murder of 4 people is not.

Exactly.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by trojanchick99

Yeah, they are saying Becile is a pseudonym. And it's a film backed by Christians.

Oh, dear *Puts head in hand*.

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Like ImBecile?

Heh. Well put .

Agreed that people have the right to say what they wish, and I certainly agree that no religion should be immune from criticism.

But I do also think there are ways to go about making said criticism without coming off like an obnoxious jerk. And I agree that you can say what you please, but you also must prepare to deal with the response to what you say. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it.

And since it seems this film is nothing more than a horrible excuse to get people all riled up and angry about something, that is pretty pathetic and awful and all involved are idiots. Things are already tense enough, we really don't need people like this making things worse.

As for the ambassador, very sorry to hear of his death. So senseless. My condolances to his family.

[Irvine511]

I'm watching Hannity right now for god knows what reason, and it's basically like watching Pravda.

He's going to Ann Colter for comment. They are conflating the embassy statement released before the event with Obama.

Already, 3 mentions of Neville Chamberlin.

Honestly. How does a channel like this exist in the developed world?

[PhilsFan]

A journalist friend and I were talking about how terrible their graphics are, too. Easily the worst of the major news networks. CNN, for all its faults, has a much better presentation style.

[Irvine511]

It's like a drag show. I haven't watched Fox for any more than 2 monies straight in years.

It's shocking.

[PhilsFan]

I still remember sitting in a motel room three years ago and hearing Glenn Beck, with a shockingly small amount of irony, predict rape and pillaging because Obama was elected.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

I still remember sitting in a motel room three years ago and hearing Glenn Beck, with a shockingly small amount of irony, predict rape and pillaging because Obama was elected.

I remember watching OWS 2 years after hearing Glenn Beck.

[Pearl]

Here's something heartwarming after today's terrible news...

15 Photos Of Libyans Apologizing To Americans

Take that, terrorists and whoever made that film!