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Old 01-21-2014, 10:51 PM   #321
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Not to mention, in Ukraine they're fighting to get into the EU, and a sizeable group among the protests are fascists themselves.
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:03 AM   #322
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Not to mention, in Ukraine they're fighting to get into the EU, and a sizeable group among the protests are fascists themselves.
Ukraine is a special case. What the media doesn't tell is that the party of the opposition is being supported - specially financially - by... CDU/CSU, Angela Merkel's party.
EU doesn't care if Ukraine is a democratic country or not. EU only wants Ukraine in to "win" another "battle" against Russia/ex-URSS, and since Ukraine is a big country, with very low salaries, unprotected labour/social laws, it'll be so easy to put ukranians producing what czechs, polish or even portuguese can't anymore, because they earn "too much" and have "too much rights". The reason EU wants Ukraine inside is what Merkel and the EU tecno-bureaucrats call "market economy", which is their cute and soft way to call a non-regulated social liberalism.
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The media really doesn't need to say anything, I would've thought the EU/West support for the Ukrainian opposition is a simple join the dots game for everyone, it's very obvious.

It's hard to look at their situation and see anything positive in the future, much like a second Orange Revolution which was a bit of a farce in the end anyway.
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Is Ukraine a authoritarian dictatorship? I believe so.
Will Ukraine be better inside the EU. I highly doubt it.
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Orwell would have definitely thought so.

Ukrainian government texts ominous Orwellian message directly to cell phones of protesters | The Verge
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:48 AM   #326
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Another pretty extensive article detailing how serious things are.

The Ukrainian Euromaidan: The Solution to Putin, or Just Another Fascist Political Coup? - revolution-news.com
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So help me understand a little bit, is Europe heading down the same path it did after WWI? What's with the rise of fascist parties? Have people already forgotten what happened with German and the Nazis?
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So help me understand a little bit, is Europe heading down the same path it did after WWI? What's with the rise of fascist parties? Have people already forgotten what happened with German and the Nazis?
No, I don't think Europe is heading down that way. And many in Europe haven't forgotten. Keep in mind that many parties and political movements (even some labelled as fascist above) are still to the left of the political spectrum as the Republican Party in the USA. Granted, it has been a long while since the political landscape in Europe was this far to the right, but it's not as bad as it might seem to an outside (especially one from the US).
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So help me understand a little bit, is Europe heading down the same path it did after WWI? What's with the rise of fascist parties? Have people already forgotten what happened with German and the Nazis?
Yes, it is. With the obvious contextual differences, Europe is repeating too much of the exact same steps and mistakes it did 80 years ago.
The Golden Dawn, in Greece, is rising, growing and conquering "public", the exact same way that Hitler's NSDAP did in the late 1920's. The similarities between both's history is creepy.
In the mediterranean countries there's a rise of the populist neo-fascist acts and parties, many times, by the hand of the "traditional" right parties that now are revealling their real agenda.

Some may deny it, but parties like the british UKIP, the dutch PVV or the french Front National are proto-fascist parties, xenophobic, that behave like a wolf in a lamb skin, because their agenda remain the same, but they've been clever in adopting part if the speech that the social-democratic/traditional center-left parties abandoned because the former simply don't have speech or agenda anymore.
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