MrsSpringsteen
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My head hurts. Is this still about sexual harassment?
My head hurts. Is this still about sexual harassment?
I have to say thinking back to Redhill's post, it's interesting to me that neither he nor those agreeing with the spirit of his posts seemed to take a moment to consider that he was all hot and bothered over being sexually assaulted TWICE, in drunken bar scenarios. Like, that was my night every night at a bar in college. Before midnight. To say nothing of how many times my girlfriends and I had to put up with some asshole dropping trou and exposing his junk to us on a random street at night or in a park, or the hooting and hollering from cars, or the much worse groping at bars or parties, or the downright creepy/aggressive moves, or being held down or pressured to have sex, or being texted photos of penises for no reason whatsoever, or being massaged by supervisors/bosses and that's not even getting into the rampant sexism of the workplace which would fall under harassment and not actual assault.
But hey, it's super important we talk about men's rights EXACTLY AS MUCH as we do about women's because anything else is just not equality.
Do you practice in the US? I wasn't aware that you did?
I haven't practiced in the US since 2008 (and even then it was only in NY state and a very specialized area) and definitely would not be commenting on case law with this level of certainty - not necessarily with respect to this particular issue summarized in the paragraph above but just your general approach as a bit of a know-it-all about 50 jurisdictions in which I wasn't aware you were licensed? But to each his own I suppose.
Also, I don't want to minimize your experiences but it seems statistically impossible that you were grabbed in the crotch (especially in a way that caused physical pain) or otherwise sexually assaulted EVERY NIGHT BEFORE MIDNIGHT at a bar in college. There's no point in having a conversation if you're going to be that dishonest.
But if you see me make a comment on a legal issue that you think is wrong, or is handled differently in different jurisdictions, by all means point it out. I'm sure there are things I could learn from you.
Thanks for calling me a liar.
How the hell would you know?
I'm talking about an average night, and yes, if you went to college in a college town (and keep in mind I was there 7 years because of law school as well) where binge drinking is rampant (ranked #1 in the country by the way), then you can only imagine what went on in bars. Because people would go to pre-drink before the pre-drink before the bar. It was rammed and sweaty and you'd get grabbed on the dance floor, by the bar, when offered drinks, etc. Not always by strangers, but by guys you were friendly with who were just drunk out of their mind and harmless in the sense that I wouldn't fear them attacking me but they nevertheless thought it would be fun/funny to grab at us.
You have no fucking clue what goes on for women, and the fact you would call me a liar just goes to show. And I am one of the lucky ones, I wasn't roofied like at least 3 friends of mine (luckily they had enough friends around to realize it and take them home), I wasn't raped, I didn't wake up in a strange place not remembering what happened to me. These were NOT isolated or rare events. Piss off if you think we're being dishonest. How the hell would you ever fucking know?
I'm a useless securities and corporate finance lawyer, so not much I'd consider myself an expert in, speaking of the topics usually covered here.
Still, a topic I know little about! At least beyond the basics. Most of what I know about securities & corporate finance law is that my colleagues who took those jobs out of law school made a lot more than I did as a prosecutor.
redhill - Funny how your experiences seem to be multiplying with every post...
Why would you want to continue to step backward? Just admit that you lied and move on.
Just keep calling me a liar, it's really advancing your point.
Bye, Felicia.
I'm a sexist asshole. Anyone who reads this thread will know.
I've been sexually assaulted twice and there was really nothing I could do about it unless I wanted to *really* push the issue.
I was at a nightclub once and a stranger sat on my lap, grabbed my crotch, and kissed me. It so happened that she was overweight which made it additionally uncomfortable to have her on my lap (and the only reason I mention it). I asked her to get off of me and then she kept making advances. I didn't press the issue other than to ask the bouncer to keep her away from me. He said "take her home and f*ck her, man".
Another time I was walking into a bar and a stranger grabbed my crotch in the entranceway. She grazed me in a painful way (guys know what I'm talking about) and I had to leave the situation. There was really nothing I could do during that encounter either. I could have made a fuss (if I had wanted to) but I doubt anything would have come of it.
Oh, and I was roofied by a girl once and was also held down by a (very large) man at a party who told me that "he could rape me right now if he wanted to." I was being intimate with a girl I was dating when he rushed in the room and jumped on me. It was a harrowing experience and luckily I was able to get him off me. Shall I go on?
You've led quite the life.Actually, there are several others I could point to as well. The point is that I wasn't getting all "hot and bothered" over two assaults....as there are a lot of other incidents I could have relayed..
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How exactly was I prejudiced or discriminating towards women?
Any reasonable person would say that it was the exact opposite.
for fuck's sakes. you spent several posts repeatedly calling a woman on the internet whom you don't know at all a liar for discussing her experiences with sexual harassment and assault and then proudly claiming some sort of victory as a result.
i don't think you're qualified to speak on anything a "reasonable person" would say or do.
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What the hell...? Yeah I really don't like calling someone a liar about their personal experiences. But it does mirror what is done to people who are harassed or assaulted in society at large.
Unnecessary and rude.
And redhill, you might not be as good as you think. You’re calling her a liar on a semantic technicality. Yes, she wasn’t painfully grabbed by the crouch every night. But you’re acting as if that’s the only issue, and ignoring the experiences of regular sexual harassment she is sharing.
That’s not “good.”
Thanks but I don't have double standards. Nor do I have the time or desire to look back and digest however many pages back.Distortion time? She did lie about my posts. It's in the thread. And I don't believe that she was grabbed in the crotch every in a way that caused intense physical pain every night before midnight at the bar in college. When I clarified and asked her that question (based on her assertion) she ignored it.
And she just did what you're saying you don't like by calling my credibility into question.
Folks, it's time to drop the double standards.
Thanks but I don't have double standards. Nor do I have the time or desire to look back and digest however many pages back.
You called her a liar, that's what I saw. This is all just so ridiculous.
I honestly don't get it. So someone can be disingenuous multiple times in a post and completely mischaracterize what I've expressed?
Sad. The woman you're talking about was, factually, being deceptive and making false claims about statements in my posts.
Do you expect me to let that stand? I don't care if society at large accepts that these days - I don't. The proof is in the thread.
She also called into question my credibility after sharing some incredibly personal experiences.
Also, I don't want to minimize your experiences but it seems statistically impossible that you were grabbed in the crotch (especially in a way that caused physical pain) or otherwise sexually assaulted EVERY NIGHT BEFORE MIDNIGHT at a bar in college. There's no point in having a conversation if you're going to be that dishonest.
redhill - Funny how your experiences seem to be multiplying with every post...
https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/av4jje/the-anatomy-of-a-mens-rights-activist
I think the issue is you’re complaining about your argument being mischaracterized while you’re doing the exact same thing in return.
Except, of course, the fact that I never mischaracterized anyone.