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Old 11-15-2017, 10:09 AM   #41
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I think we should expect more from politicians. It's just the unfortunate reality that they're in fact politicians, and highly prone to being sleazeballs under the mask.

Still. Fuck that. This is like forcing a child to say sorry only to get an obvious "ok can I go now?" type response. Should force them up on the podium and require they all give five minute speeches on sexual misconduct in America.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:16 AM   #42
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Everyone should go through training every few years, no matter the position.
Damn you for posting this in a serious thread. Such easy jokes to be made, but must resist.

And as for Congress, while I get what LN7 is saying about that they should be of high enough moral character that they'd already know about sexual harassment, we've seen that its clearly not the case, in fact politics seems rife with the type of folks who need training and reminders. (And prison in some cases)
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:26 AM   #43
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Look this training isn't only about telling adults what they should know already... it's also about training people on what the warning signs of harassment and abuse are, how to make reports, etc etc.

This type of training has changed drastically over the past 10 years, and continues to evolve. Everyone in any major organization should undergo this training every few years. In fact, many insurance agencies are requiring it now.

Increased training is how we avoid future Harvey Weinsteins, Catholic Church, Penn State situations.
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Damn you for posting this in a serious thread. Such easy jokes to be made, but must resist.
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Fair point with the identification portion. Didn't look at it that way.
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Everyone everywhere needs constant training, so that they can't claim ignorance as a defense. It all needs to be clearly spelled out.
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Training isn't just about learning new things, it's about reminders to people who may not give it a lot of thought. Out of sight, out of mind, and all that. I re-train my team members on core skills for their jobs, I don't see the problem with re-training on core values for Congresspersons.

Do I think it will move the needle? Not at all. But it's not an absurd thing to implement.
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I was never calling it absurd. I was calling it a shame.
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Remember when we had to teach someone in here that it actually is condescending/insulting for a man to tell a woman to “smile more”?

Lots of men (and some women) really do need this stuff to be taught to them.
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Old 11-15-2017, 03:58 PM   #50
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Yes I really hate that smile more thing. I can't believe anyone wouldn't understand why that's offensive. I had a guy in high school who did that to me constantly, back then I didn't know why it was offensive. He started early I guess -)

Are men ever told to smile more? Any man in here? By a woman.
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I mean probably yeah. I have mega resting bitch face though. So, probably mostly my mother telling me to
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I was told to smile more by a boss once.
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I have too.
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I mean probably yeah. I have mega resting bitch face though. So, probably mostly my mother telling me to
I know you know this, so it's not meant to be condescending-but your mother doing it isn't the same thing. I think that's a Mom thing that most everyone gets.

No one should be telling strangers, employees, coworkers to smile more. I've had random stranger men say it to me. Smiling isn't a requirement for job success. Nor is it any stranger's business. To say it to a stranger violates boundaries and makes the person feel like a child.

It's creepy too. If that's some sort of pick up line some people should find a new one.

The woman who just ran for President got the criticism that she should smile more. I don't remember which male candidates got that. I know Trump commented on appearance and hand size.
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Hillary really needed to smile more during the campaign.

If only she'd have smiled more, we'd be saying Madame President instead of President Buffoon.
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LN7, it's exactly that which allows these people to get away with it. They get elected to a position of power and then abuse it.
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Tipping Point - Sexual Harassment In America

If we’re talking like a creepy you should smile more, no. Not that I remember anyway. But I’ve got like resting serial killer face or something so I’ve definitely been told to smile it’s not so bad, in an incredibly irritating “har har I think I’m funny” sort of way, and that’s been 1) pretty evenly split on coming from men and woman and 2) no difference whatsoever depending on whether these are people who thought me to be female or know me as male.

But holy hell have I heard some casual “just between us guys” sexist shit. I mean, I’ve seen articles where trans guys are like “since I transitioned it’s amazing what cis straight guys will just say to you in casual conversation especially if they assume you’re just another straight dude.” Not an exaggeration.
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Al Franken is your latest creep.
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Al Franken is your latest creep.


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Al Franken is your latest creep.
At least he's smiling in the photographic evidence of his crime.

He should resign.
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