Tipping Point - Sexual Harassment In America

[BEAL]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

When I was 17, I was leaving a high school party, and on the way out the parents of the host were there seeing people off. I went to shake the father's hand, and then I did not shake the mother's hand, because for some reason I thought it impolite and something you only do with men. And I didn't know either of them well so I didn't go to hug her either, so I just sort of left. And whenever I remember that, even all this time later, I'm so embarrassed, because she probably thought I was a sexist piece of shit. I don't know why I did that.

If you ever run for office, expect this to be what forces you to resign.

[PhilsFan]

I won't ever run for office because of this forum.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Much of this sounds vaguely familiar...

https://www.boston.com/culture/enter...ct-allegations

[MrsSpringsteen]

This was extremely difficult for me to read. Monster is the word for him. Shame on those who were COMPLICIT.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...weinstein.html

[anitram]

He is so disgusting. And you know what even without all the criminal behaviour he just looks like a disgusting sleazeball. I shudder for these women. There is now a local actress in Toronto suing him for $14M for alleged harassment and of course he did the cynical thing by hiring 2 women lawyers to defend him. It all just makes you want to take a good, long shower.

[iron yuppie]

My partner and I had a mutual professor in grad school who has been vocal in calling for Franken’s resignation etc. Yet he himself is a conspicuous sleaze, sleeping with multiple grad students, trying to get them drunk and into his car, other shit like that. It seems like a lot of guys who engage in that kind of predatory behavior have a disturbing ability to excuse it in themselves, thinking their situation is acceptable for whatever convoluted reason. Or maybe just extreme overconfidence in thinking they are so charismatic that consent is to be assumed.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

It seems like a lot of guys who engage in that kind of predatory behavior have a disturbing ability to excuse it in themselves, thinking their situation is acceptable for whatever convoluted reason. Or maybe just extreme overconfidence in thinking they are so charismatic that consent is to be assumed.

I think you summed it up very well. I also think in some cases it's deep down a lack of confidence, and many other issues - disguised as overconfidence.

As for this, what the actual fuck

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mario-bat...180325332.html

Nothing says rape rooms don't matter like cinnamon rolls.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

My partner and I had a mutual professor in grad school who has been vocal in calling for Franken’s resignation etc. Yet he himself is a conspicuous sleaze, sleeping with multiple grad students, trying to get them drunk and into his car, other shit like that. It seems like a lot of guys who engage in that kind of predatory behavior have a disturbing ability to excuse it in themselves, thinking their situation is acceptable for whatever convoluted reason. Or maybe just extreme overconfidence in thinking they are so charismatic that consent is to be assumed.

Unfortunately you're summing up a good amount of our politicians or prominent leaders in general with that statement. It takes a certain type of asshole to be able to force their way into a leadership position, and it's often no surprise when that asshole forces their way upon people.

[BoMac]

One of Roy Moore’s accusers lost her home to suspected arson.

It’s a mystery why women wait years to come forward to report rape or harassment, if at all.

[DaveC]

glorified hyperbole

[LuckyNumber7]

The hyperbowl is the new superbowl one word

[MrsSpringsteen]

https://www.boston.com/culture/enter...ual-misconduct


Golden Globes should be interesting tomorrow. I think it's tomorrow..

[MrsSpringsteen]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000009


Interesting. Glad I don't live in France.

[mama cass]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000009


Interesting. Glad I don't live in France.

well i'm glad i do!

don't worry - she doesn't speak for everyone

i think one of the main concerns she has is the "mob mentality", "trial by media" kind of thing - instead of going thru legal channels, people are being fired, censored, deleted from films etc., based on allegations which haven't even been proven in court, yet your pig of a president is still in power - perhaps it would be better to go thru the courts and let the judiciary system do its work for everybody, as it is meant to, otherwise it sets a very worrying and dangerous precedent

[Nick66]

Excellent article. She makes a lot of sense. And French feminism in many ways doesn't much resemble American feminism. This pushback was as inevitable as it was predictable.

No, she doesn't speak for everyone...nor does the "believe women no matter what"/"the allegation alone is enough" crowd.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Well I'm not in the believe women no matter what allegation is enough "crowd".But I don't endorse what Deneuve said either.

I also think France is a great place and I didn't vote for our pig President. I just don't endorse that all of this harassment stuff just has to do with Puritanical attitudes about sex and pigs and whores. As she put it. That's an insult to victims of UNWANTED harassment and of assault.

Eliza Dushku just talked about how a stunt coordinator molested her at age 12 when she was in the movie True Lies. Age 12.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

I just don't endorse that all of this harassment stuff just has to do with Puritanical attitudes about sex and pigs and whores. As she put it. That's an insult to victims of UNWANTED harassment and of assault.

This.

And most of the people who've been fired and whatnot thus far are people who've had multiple accusations towards them, so I think that's a factor as well. A lot of the people who've been fired thus far have also brought the studios/shows/networks/movies they worked at or on lots of money and were big names. I imagine these companies wouldn't take the risk of letting such notable money-makers go for no justifiable reason.

I do agree that the trial process is very important, but I also don't think a lot of women who are talking about this stuff on social media are trying to make it into a "trial by public" sort of thing. I think they're mainly just commiserating and sharing their stories, and feel that social media can sometimes be the best way to force attention on the issue. Especially if you consider the idea that some of them may well have tried to go to authorities in the past...to no avail. I mean, when they keep seeing the guys who've molested or harassed them continuing to get work while they're either told to stay quiet or aren't believed even when they DO try and speak to authorities or whatnot, I can see where, after a while, they might feel more drastic and public measures need to be taken to shine a spotlight on these people.

As for Trump, I fully agree that the whole situation with him is ridiculous. I'd love for him to have to answer to the accusations against him, too. Whether that will happen, though, I don't know...and sadly, I'm leaning towards it being very unlikely.

[mama cass]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

I just don't endorse that all of this harassment stuff just has to do with Puritanical attitudes about sex and pigs and whores. As she put it. That's an insult to victims of UNWANTED harassment and of assault.

the "pig" thing is a direct reference to the metoo trend in France, hashtag "balance ton porc" and the "whore" thing refers to what the equivalent slogan would be if it targeted women in the same way as males are currently being targeted "balance ta pute"

if women are going after guys who are just awkwardly trying to chat up a woman, basic seduction and flirtation, then that's just ridiculous - that's what the French would see as puritanical

if a guy touches my knee, i can just slap his hand away, laugh, take the piss, tell him to fuck off, give him my evil stare or ignore it and pretend it never happened - whatever i want to do - i have a whole artillery at my disposal, i don't have to clutch my pearls and grab my smelling salts and cry foul play... that's completely different to real sexual assault...

ps- to be clear, Deneuve didn't start the "pig" reference - that was the French #metoo lot

[mama cass]

thing is, the entertainment industry is and has always been notorious for this kind of behaviour in the extreme - it's hair-raising and horrible, but i don't believe that it is a reflection of normal male/female interactions though thank goodness

[cobl04]

Originally Posted by Nick66

Excellent article. She makes a lot of sense. And French feminism in many ways doesn't much resemble American feminism. This pushback was as inevitable as it was predictable.

No, she doesn't speak for everyone...nor does the "believe women no matter what"/"the allegation alone is enough" crowd.

if you sit any more on the fence it's going to disappear up your arse